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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

The nameless wrote:
If they're redoing the tactical marine w/ the shiny new box does that mean they're gonna cut it down to a 5 pack now?

The plastic h.q. kit is pretty sweet though, assuming said rumors are true....

The power armour for the power armour does seem kinda pants-on-head though... just doesn't seem marine-ish.

The new tanks seem more "money grab" than usual. The TFC couldn't have a flakk option or the razor back couldn't get a sky fire option to handle the A.A. needs?

Now I'm really curious as to what "new/shiny" Space Wolves and Blood Angels will get?

I just hope they remember NOT to give SW any flyers since their disdain of flying and jump packs is such a hilarious part of their fluff.

It's going to be a flying wolf monstrous creature.

Airwolf Cavalry.

If they do make it five to a box you might as well just buy forge world.

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
If they do make it five to a box you might as well just buy forge world.

Already my plan. I want to do an Exorcists army in MkIV Power Armor, I'm just waiting to see what the codex brings so I can plan my army better.

 insaniak wrote:

The Flesh Tearers and the Dark Angels' 'vast' numbers of successors (all 6 of them) don't have their own codex because they follow largely the same organisational structure and combat doctrines as their progenitors.

Hmm, Codex Chaos Space Marines seems to best represent Black Templars now. Terminators with Rage and Furious Charge, hordes of Power Armor-Accepting any challenge, no matter the odds...

 Trevak Dal wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

The Flesh Tearers and the Dark Angels' 'vast' numbers of successors (all 6 of them) don't have their own codex because they follow largely the same organisational structure and combat doctrines as their progenitors.

Hmm, Codex Chaos Space Marines seems to best represent Black Templars now. Terminators with Rage and Furious Charge, hordes of Power Armor-Accepting any challenge, no matter the odds...

You might be on to something with that, just dont roll for a spawn/d.prince and it's pretty good.

Holy gak, that's a beautiful set of rumors. I would definitely get it on some SM action if we get new normal sized tanks and plastic infantry kits.

As someone who has played Black Templars since the Armageddon Codex, I'm saddened to see BT get rolled into the SM Codex. I was talking to my dad about this, but it would go a long way for BT fans to get their own supplement like the Farsight Enclave and Craftworld Iyanden did. It wouldn't be the same as a stand alone, but at least we'd get some upgrades to bring us back into the light.

Honestly if BT gets normalized and reduced to just another SM Successor chapter after years of being their own thing, then I'm pretty much done with the game, which makes me sad :(

It's a bit strange for them to become merged with regular space marines when they have their own allies set, though...

 insaniak wrote:
Space wolves use flyers... Our at least, they use thunder hawks, which up until recently would have been the only option for them anyway. It's just jump packs they refuse to use.


So giving them access to something storm raven-esque wouldn't break the fluff any more than it did for everyone else who suddenly gained hitherto unheard of flying machines.

Space Wolves do jump packs, bro...
that's what Sky Claws are for...
it's the non-teleporting Termies that are different...

Blood of Asaheim had a Grey Hunter who was the Thunderhawk pilot, and loved it...
they really should have access to the Storm Raven and Chibi Hawk...
either way, now people can just ally in the regular Marine gear anyway...

looking forward to leaked pics in a few weeks...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:

Space Wolves do jump packs, bro...
that's what Sky Claws are for...

Only while they are young and foolish. Note that there is no option for jump packing Grey Hunters...

SW not flying is rubbish. They have to. Hell, drop pods are crazier than a stormnoun. I mean, hey I get it if the GH wont fly, but that's what serfs are for.

In the Codex, Logan rescues that named wolf guard (can't for the life of me remember his name) from a flyer.

 azreal13 wrote:
Hmmm, I want to believe, I am inclined to believe given the source's apparent track record, but...

This fits with a lot of the early rumours we got for Eldar (loads of plastic kits) which, when those settled out were nowhere near as numerous. I can buy the exo armour, and the new (I assume) Rhino variants. But since 6th dropped there have been several kits that probably needed updating way more than the Tac Squad that have been passed over, and I think I'm right in saying that no existing boxed set has been updated and only new kits have launched?

The new Rhino variants and the exo-suits have been mentioned by Hastings as well, which only further adds to the rumour's credibility. And the number of plastic kits isn't that out there. Rhino variant dual kit, Sterngaurd/Vanguard Veteran dual kit, Exo-Suits and new Tac Squad would make 4 boxes, which is on par with the number of plastic kits Tau and Dark Angels got. And possibly, because none of them are a big kits and SM are a big seller, they added a few more plastic characters.

 prowla wrote:
Sorry buddy, DreadKnight v2 is what is to be expected. A general issue DK, one that's not fitted to battle daemons: it fits the exo-suit description, and the rest of the stuff like having bolters/frag launchers on chest would suggest it's pretty big.. As someone noted, "GK was the first 6th ed. release" - big gribblie kits and flyers for everyone.. and why would they leave the most popular army without one?

Because every credible rumour so far has said they're even smaller than Dreadnoughts. The rumours about some mega-dreadnought are just rampant speculation by the same people that claim that every 6th edition codex gets a new big MC or walker, ignoring the fact that the DA and Daemons didn't get one.

 MikeFox wrote:
Marines dont need a point drop. You get 3 different weapon on a single model with 3+ armor and grenades with free specialist weapons. What more do you want?

except with all those AP3/2 ignore cover large blast weapons around, your 3+ save means jack gak...

ClockworkZion wrote:

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
If they do make it five to a box you might as well just buy forge world.

Already my plan. I want to do an Exorcists army in MkIV Power Armor, I'm just waiting to see what the codex brings so I can plan my army better.

Same with me, waiting to see how codex will look. If it sucks for some reason,Tau it is. If it's good, then I'm doing pre heresy legion. This way I can play it as SM or Chaos if I want ,2in1 deal!

Which Ignore Cover AP 2/3 Large blast weapons?

Just curious, as i've yet to run into any outside of Apoc.

Then again, i'm used to my armour meaning jack gak, regardless of how much my guys cost, as i play DE and Orks

 smurfORnot wrote:


except with all those AP3/2 ignore cover large blast weapons around, your 3+ save means jack gak...

You mean you occasionally dont get your fancy 3+? Boohoo. Those of us playing non Meq hardly ever get saves. Man up.

Personally, as he doesn't specify them as plastic - unlike the other boxes - I dont know whether to interpret the tactical squad as getting reboxed, or simply getting new options in the Codex...

 smurfORnot wrote:

 MikeFox wrote:
Marines dont need a point drop. You get 3 different weapon on a single model with 3+ armor and grenades with free specialist weapons. What more do you want?

except with all those AP3/2 ignore cover large blast weapons around, your 3+ save means jack gak...

omg, GW rules designers unable to control codex creep? Say it isn't so.

There is a reason why the Space Wolf Codex is the only one since 2010 without a flyer.

So, if the first founding (ish) chapters get represented in the main Codex,
GW pretty much close the door on SM supplements. Of course there is Crimson fist,
and perhaps Bloodravens, but it seems od that they would get their own books and
charismatic chapters like Imperial Fist, Salamanders and Ultras just get a few pages of the main dex.

Somethings of with this.

Ultras we're rumoured to get a supplement at one point and Iyanden we're still in the Eldar book proper..

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Ultras we're rumoured to get a supplement at one point and Iyanden we're still in the Eldar book proper..

The rumor say you get tactical traits depending on what chapter you run, and that, besides fluf, is basicly what a supplement offer.
Iyanden was represented in the eldar codex by half a page worth of fluff, iirc (as all other main craftworlds.

Sounds fantastic. Now I just want to be able to stick the new armour type in a drop pod.

Well honestly, if successors get supplements that would be cool with me. Maybe Blood Ravens, probably CF, and I could always pray for my SilverSkulls LOL.

A bloodraven sup would be really great and probably expand on both the use and history of the noble spacemarines instead of returning to the old classic formula, so to speak.
From a sales perspective though, Crimson Fist would probably be a better choise for GW.

- There will be 7 Ltd Ed varients. 6 of these will be covers for First Founding chapters, whilst the 7th will have Black Templars on the cover.

Would be great if this means I can play my Raven Guard with their own rules, cool pic on the cover of them, without having to buy two codex's. Dunno if BT were just seen at the same time as the rest, the SM codex includes something along the lines of the BT rumors to be able to field them, or if they're getting rolled into the rest. There was a time when EVERY chapter could take an Emperor's Champion. I haven't fielded my RG Champion in a long, long, time. Bring it on. Would explain BT not being in the first few release schedules but having suddenly dropped in out of nowhere.

- New weapon family: Grav weapons. I believe these wound against the armour save (so terminators would be wounded as if they had a toughness of 2).

No word of the AP of these weapons, rate of fire, may be GAK awful depending on your Meta. Woohoo, the return of the Graviton guns....

- First Founding chapters will be getting a substantial section each to themselves, so hopefully this can be looked as as Codex: Space Marines instead of Codex: Ultramarines. This will also show in a rule called Chapter Tactics, for which the effects depend on the chapter being played.

Hopefully this is rules as well as fluff and characters. If BT are getting the 7th cover, does that mean all the rules that differentiate them from regular SM's are in their section?

- There is a new armour type that at first glance looks to be somewhere between a terminator and a dreadnought - looking more closely, it appears to go over the marine's power armour however.

Not sure what theses models will look like, if they're terrible. I might have just found a purpose for the five plastic IG sentinels I have collecting dust. Take the tech marine torso from the SM vehicle sprue and pop him inside, or maybe something a little Avatar walker like?

- This new armour can be armed in 2 ways, depending on the user. The devastator version has either a bolter array or missile launchers mounted on the chest armour, whilst the gauntlets can be armed with heavy bolters, lascannons or grav cannons. The assault version has a bolter array or frag launchers mounted on the chest armour, with assault drills mounted on the gauntlets.

IG sentinel, tech marine pilot, under slung "bolter array"? or missile launcher, with the gauntlet weapons mounted on side pods? Hoping the models are cool looking, but counts as might be just as good if not better, and cheaper....

- There are 2 new AA tanks. One tank veterans will already be familiar with as the Hunter, armed an AA missile launcher. The other tank mounts 2 tri-barreled turrets instead.

Perhaps rather than being brand new tank kits, they're just new bits thrown into the old kits? Whirlwind/Hunter kit, Land Raider/2 tri-barreled turrets kit? Look what they did to the Baneblade kit, not unreasonable.

- There is a new tactical squad. Lots of options as you'd expect, but of particular interest will probably be the grav pistol and grav rifle.

And here I am with a full battle company already....

- A new plastic Sternguard veteran squad.
- A new plastic Vanguard veteran squad.
- New plastic characters: a captain, a librarian and a chaplain.

The limited edition cover will be badass, no more whining about Codex Space Marines being the Ultramarine Codex if they're not on the cover. I'd be more than happy with an AA version of the whirlwind kit, though a proxy wouldn't be that hard to imagine with just a slight change to an existing whirlwind. Hopefully the BT cover/rumored codex FoC and rules are included in the codex rather than a roll in. Would be nice to field my Emperor's Champion again. Actually used to field a Black Templars force before their shoulder guards turned white.... I'd suspect the Vanguard/Sternguard are one kit like the BA box. New parts on the Tac squad sprue, Whirlwind sprue and maybe a Land Raider box that includes EVERY version in one box, maybe including a two tri-barreled kit like the new Baneblade would be great.

Not sure if we're looking at SM suits (would make sense being all buddy buddy with the Tau and all, I guess) or SM walkers that I can make conversions for. But a sturdy mobile heavy weapons platform might be cool. May not like the model, but I suspect I have some cheap conversions sitting unused in my bitz box on the shelf already.

All I really wanted was jump pack command squads, Raven Guard SR's without Shrike (hate him) and Vanguard Veterans who get jump packs for free. So things are looking up!

 Kroothawk wrote:
There is a reason why the Space Wolf Codex is the only one since 2010 without a flyer.

It was the last one written before they started giving everyone flyers...?

Agreed with those who think the Vanguard/Sternguard sound like a dual kit. I imagine the new armour type as looking like Space Marines wearing big servo-harnesses.

The only thing I don't really buy is the plastic Captain. We already have the multi-part Commander kit.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
There is a reason why the Space Wolf Codex is the only one since 2010 without a flyer.

It was the last one written before they started giving everyone flyers...?

Actually, the Valkyrie/Vendetta inclusion in the IG codex predates the SW codex, but yeah, it was released at the start when the codexes had flyers or flying monstrous creatures included (then still fast skimmers and jump monstrous creatures of course). I wouldn't be surprised if they included some form of flyer in their next iteration of their codex, but on the other hand, I could see them becoming the flyer-less codex (relying solely on the Thunderhawk and Drop Pod as means of transportation) like Tyranids are the vehicle-less codex as a way to differentiate the different Marine armies.

 Fezman wrote:
The only thing I don't really buy is the plastic Captain. We already have the multi-part Commander kit.

Plastic terminator captain perhaps? Although I guess that would have been mentioned.

Any leaked pics?

mudhutman222 wrote:
Any leaked pics?

Pictures probably won't leak until the week before the new White Dwarf is released, so in about 3-4 weeks.

Edit: Natfka claims he has seen the new White Dwarf cover, and says they look similar to the concepts shown at Gamesday '04, but bulkier:
http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2013/08/september-white-dwarf-cover-and-old.html

Natfka wrote:I have now seen the White Dwarf cover for September (always alleged). It has 3 of the new 'Dreadmarine' models on it, and from the fuzzy looks of it, they are look rather nice. They are dressed in blue for those that care, with not rounded shoulder pads. It does not look like any heavy weapons mounted on them, but the shot is very fuzzy and hard to tell.

Also we have several old concept photos coming around that are very much similar to what I have seen on the cover. From what I have seen on the White Dwarf cover, the 'Dreadmarine" models are much bulkier than these concept sketches below, but the look is very similar.

These are the concept pics from 2004 Games Day.