Codex: Space Marines [First post updated 27-08-2013 - Leaked White Dwarf images added]

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**Sekai**

And I think you are the one with bad taste, lordofthegophers. These will look great beside cataphractii terminators, with some light modifications of course. We haven't even seen other angles, or weapon options, but I have to say, so far I like these. Hopefully the redone space marines are more than just a new sergeant sprue that contains a new special weapon.

What I'm curious about is the 30 dollar Captain/Librarian. Is it possible they may be wearing the Centurion armor? Would explain the price.

**MWHistorian**

lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

You're funny.

Oh...were you being serious?

**Kanluwen**

Sekai wrote:
And I think you are the one with bad taste, lordofthegophers. These will look great beside cataphractii terminators, with some light modifications of course. We haven't even seen other angles, or weapon options, but I have to say, so far I like these. Hopefully the redone space marines are more than just a new sergeant sprue that contains a new special weapon.

What I'm curious about is the 30 dollar Captain/Librarian. Is it possible they may be wearing the Centurion armor? Would explain the price.

They might be larger than the normal Astartes models or have a couple different ways to assemble the model or different bits of iconography or any number of potential things that GW feels justify the price bump.
Or they could be wearing Terminator armor.

I would be absolutely surprised if they were wearing Centurion armor as I doubt that stuff will be a wargear choice.

**pities2004**

lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

Good thing we have your opinions to go off. TOY SOLDIERS!

**Ouze**

cincydooley wrote:
But seriously, about half the people like it, about half dont. That's about par for the course, isn't it?

If that were the case, sure but of course, it is not. In the 10 pages between when the photos where first shown on page 21 and this comment on page 31, there have been 79 comments that were clearly negative, 22 comments that were clearly positive, and 21 comments that were ambivalent/withholding judgement.

Obviously this isn't exactly a scientific survey but the opinions thusfar are pretty strongly negative; for every person who has a positive reaction there are 4 that do not.

**Bonde**

Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

This has probably been said already, but those models look just right to convert some really great looking Mega armoured Nobz with plenty of bitz and nob heads.

**Slayer le boucher**

Like i said earlier, in my mind this is how i pictured them.

**ace101**

lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

And who said you have good tastes? Let people have their opinions, no need to insult people who don't agree with you. Personally, they look a little silly, but the 'cron flayed ones still look worse then the centurions.

EDIT: ^ Exalt there. Come to think of it, might SOE take offense to how closely similar the Centurion and the MAX suit are modeled, maybe lawsuit material.

**CthuluIsSpy**

scarletsquig wrote:
^ They're from Mantic Games, should be out later this year as a unit. They wouldn't fit with the established space marine style, but I think it's getting to the point where even the new releases from GW don't fit the style.

Especially that robot thing, I actually quite like the legs and body on it, but the head and arms are just crazy.

The robot is a fake. That has already been established.

**Fayric**

Hey, no finecast chaptermaster in centurion suit?

Perhaps GW is not evil after all?

**cincydooley**

Ouze wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
But seriously, about half the people like it, about half dont. That's about par for the course, isn't it?

If that were the case, sur,e but of course, it is not. In the 10 pages between when the photos where first shown on page 21 and this comment on page 31, there have been 79 comments that were clearly negative, 22 comments that were clearly positive, and 21 comments that were ambivalent/withholding judgement.

Oh wait, so you're saying there could potentially be a very vocal minority on Dakka?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That can't be true.

**Ouze**

cincydooley wrote:
Oh wait, so you're saying there could potentially be a very vocal minority on Dakka?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That can't be true.

No, I'm simply saying no matter how you can say "the opinion is 50/50", I'm showing that is not true. With math.

If you wish to now move the goalposts as is your wont, be my guest.

**Kanluwen**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said earlier, in my mind this is how i pictured them.

You probably pictured them like that screengrab because the screengrab looks very similar to the concept art that was posted of a new design of Devastators from Games Day 2004ish.

That said, I think that the Devastator Centurions might look better. The Assault Centurions have sounded stupid from the beginning.

**Valhallan42nd**

I can't wait to see Marneus Calgar in Centurion armor.* After all, they do have two fists...

*complete conjecture on my part, and unsubstantiated rabble rousing at best.

**Marthike**

The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

**Flood**

Well, despite the armoured penguin brigade, I am eager to see the new sternguard and vanguard sprues.
I mean, combi-weapons!

**heartserenade**

I think they could grow on me if I think of them as terminators who ate too much Mcdonald's.

And they'll be cute if they're fast attack and they can wobble really really fast! Just imagine how they walk! Look at them go, silly little things! They look so angry!

(Is it just me or the yellow paint scheme makes them look like Angry Marines? Combined with OTT weaponry and armor it seems like these are ripe Angry Marine conversion material.)

**Shotgun**

Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

**Ouze**

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

it's been discussed at some length in the last 10 pages, it is a fake.

**Mr.Omega**

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

It's fake.

Seriously, look at it. Do you think GW would you drop to that level?

Actually, best not answer that question.

**MWHistorian**

Its a fake, for the hundredth time. Does no one actually read the thread before posting?

**Vaktathi**

Are the Centurions on 40mm bases or 60mm bases? I can't quite tell.

Shotgun wrote:
Anyone have any info on this image?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

I'm not sure if we want to be calling "ugliest model ever" just yet.

It's a fake, it's a shooped "Votoms" mech with the new FW whirlwind launcher.

**Brother SRM**

It's a Votoms robot with a missile launcher from the Forgeworld Whirlwind 'shopped onto it.

E: Beaten by 21 seconds! Damn!

**Ouze**

Hey guys, has anyone told him it was fake yet?

**Alfndrate**

Hey guys, it's a fak...

Oh we've established th is? Moving on.

Centurions look stupid, and if what I heard from Kanluwen is right, then the fluff is just as stupid.

**Malika2**

Mr. Burning wrote:
Malika2 wrote:
OverwatchCNC wrote:
Malika2 wrote:
I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Of course, but sadly enough we see that at a certain point it seems to have become impossible to come up with any new unit that still fits, be it the existing background or designs. Remember back in the 2nd edition days there were quite a lot of different captain and sergeant models. Nowadays we do have a big collection of very cool captain models, but I do think GW could expand on that. We have Tech Marines in that fancy suit, what about Tech Marines in just normal power armour or terminator armour? What about bike mounted techmarines? Throw in a cool Land Raider/Rhino variant or two, we've got the new anti-air one, which is cool, what about a Sabre or some AA Land Raider? As for the veterans, we've got a veteran version of the tactical squad (Sternguard) and the assault squad (Vanguard), so what about a veteran version of the devastator squad? What about assault squads without jump packs? What about an updated bike kit, so far only the Dark Angels seem to have one. So just a 6th edition bike and attack bike.

I agree wholeheartedly but nothing says BUY ME KIDS! more than made in Taiwan looking new SM variants.

I got three words for you: spring loaded missiles!

**RiTides**

Bonde wrote:
Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

This has probably been said already, but those models look just right to convert some really great looking Mega armoured Nobz with plenty of bitz and nob heads.

Those are terrible

**Alpharius**

Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

**proditorcappela**

Alpharius wrote:
Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

With that helmet, they make awesome Angry Marines.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Alpharius wrote:
Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

They need to have that entire head region covered, like in that pictured I posted earlier.

Like those suits in Silent Storm, you know?

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proditorcappela wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Marthike wrote:
The ones with the helmets looks much better, They look epic

They do look better with a helmet, but now I just noticed that one variant of the new helmets suffers from Extreme Frowny Face.

So, they'll look better with a helmet, certainly, just not... that helmet!

With that helmet, they make awesome Angry Marines.

Well, it's certainly stupid enough to be 4chan worthy.