Codex: Space Marines [First post updated 27-08-2013 - Leaked White Dwarf images added]

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**Fezman**

Sternguard are a bit late for me to use them as the actual unit...I just finished converting my 20th.

However, I'll still be getting a box or two of them to convert some nifty-looking sergeants, count-as SCs, etc. Looks like they and the Vanguards will be kitbash goldmines.

**Crimson**

**ids1984**

Crimson wrote:

Are these newer, smaller more practical powerfists? The left hand is a little bigger, but still looks like he could change a mag etc.

If so I approve!

**Crimson**

Those Sternguard look pretty amazing overall, though I have to say that I always preferred combi-weapons where the special weapon is under the bolter barrel instead on top of it.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

If only GW had done this for CSM, those Tacticals and Sternguard are amazing especially the Tac squad I love everything about them and they don't look so different that they won't blend in well with the current set. Sternguard look great to glad to see there starting to introduce helmet crests, however the pics look of a suspiciously good quality. I think when it comes down to it GW tend to be good at doing kits that already have an established idea it's just the new stuff that they tend to screw up.
Anyway well done GW.

**Crimson**

ids1984 wrote:

Are these newer, smaller more practical powerfists? The left hand is a little bigger, but still looks like he could change a mag etc.

No, it's just normal hand and perspective.

**Ramell**

ids1984 wrote:
Crimson wrote:

Are these newer, smaller more practical powerfists? The left hand is a little bigger, but still looks like he could change a mag etc.

If so I approve!

I think it's just the perspective. It's probably the same size as every other hand.
The smaller powerfists are probably still large enough to distinguish as powerfists, just not quite as large as the older ones.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

What happens if someone at GD Germany shows Jervis and the like these pics and asks about them?

**kb305**

TheDraconicLord wrote:
Plokoone wrote:
MandalorynOranj wrote:
No pics of the rumored reloading tac marine? I was really looking forward to seeing that, it looks really cool in my head.

Tiny pic courtesy of our friends on /tg/.

You, my beautiful Space Marine are one sexy toy soldier and I want to touch and love you...

Hum, sorry, but this release just keeps getting better and better with every new pic

really? hate to burst your bubble but it looks more or less exactly the same as the tactical marines we've had for 10+ years...
not that there's anything wrong with that.

**Howard A Treesong**

gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
What happens if someone at GD Germany shows Jervis and the like these pics and asks about them?

He'll probably say he can't discuss them or confirm their authenticity, or something dull.

**master sheol**

Crimson wrote:

EPIC WIN!!! I want 9 of sternguard to drop pod with kantor... I want them to obliterate a full team of broadside with plasma weapons and grav weapons saying... "cmon... intercept these!!!"

I am mainly a DA player but i own a small army of CF too that will grow bigger with the new codex...

However... if the arms of the marine are crossed ovetr the chest inside the centurion how the hell he controls the suit???

**ids1984**

Ramell wrote:
ids1984 wrote:
Crimson wrote:

Are these newer, smaller more practical powerfists? The left hand is a little bigger, but still looks like he could change a mag etc.

If so I approve!

I think it's just the perspective. It's probably the same size as every other hand.
The smaller powerfists are probably still large enough to distinguish as powerfists, just not quite as large as the older ones.

It may be perspective and it maybe on this pic too, but the left looks bigger here too.

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gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
What happens if someone at GD Germany shows Jervis and the like these pics and asks about them?

It wouldn't suprise me if these have leaked so early because of GD Germany, either way hopefully they will ride with it rather than ignore their existence!

**prowla**

SG looks sweet. I'm not sure about the Centurion pilot explanation, I think it would be better if the pilot had motorcycle-style seat in the back.. I've seen a better execution of the "heavy armor with pilot in the back" somewhere.

edit: Yeah, in Dust:

**BrotherTri**

Centurions:

Interesting, but a lot of questions come to mind…..

Are the things on either side of the chest plate additional weapons?

How are these guys getting across the table, foot slogging?

Can they ride in anything?

Stalker/Hunter:

This thing looks awesome!!!! I guess its primary role is AA?!?.

Will, I wonder if Chaos can use it?

New Vets/Command:

Finecast or plastic?

**thenoobbomb**

New vets are plastic.
Centurions walk, yes, and those are indeed weapons next to them.

No, Chaos won't get a Stalker/Hunter

**sockwithaticket**

I'm very much liking a lot about the Sternguard. I do have a couple of quibbles:

Loin cloths for everyone,
Crux's with gems in the middle (they're too damn small to paint properly!)
Scroll work everywhere.

Now those are complaints I've had for the previous metal veterans and various other space marine models too so please no one think I'm hating on the new release for the sake of it. There is an awful lot to like about what we're seeing here too:
- range of armour marks
- more plastic combi-weapons
- hand on sword pommel!
- awesome looking shoulder pads

**Zweischneid**

BrotherTri wrote:
Centurions:

Interesting, but a lot of questions come to mind…..

Are the things on either side of the chest plate additional weapons?

How are these guys getting across the table, foot slogging?

Can they ride in anything?

From the earlier Centurion Rules Leak (still rumours... bring salt)

Centurions can be taken as Elites or Heavy.Heavy support are the devastator option. They come with twin-linked Heavy bolters and Hurricane bolters. Hurricane can be upgraded to missile and HB upgraded to Twin- Las cannon or Grav-cannon and grav-amp.

Can upgrade to omniscope which gives night fight and split fire special rules.

They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
Special Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.

Elites are the assault option. They come with Siege Drills at S9, twin-linked flamers and Ironclad assault launchers. They can upgrade flamers to meltas and assault launcher can be upgraded to hurricne [sic!] bolters.

Can upgrade to omniscope which gives night fight and split fire special rules.

They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
Special Rules: Move through cover, Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and TSKNF.

**prpetros**

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2013/8/10/f0fafa51ee5a171fa047d891b349dd91_11155.jpg__thumb This stern-guard guy here

Reminds me of the guy in the blood quest comic. With blood angel arm pads and a cape i think he would work.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/77/2382888-leo.jpg

**Medium of Death**

Sternguard appear to be epic. Hopefully some more pics will surface soon. Love the plasma pistol with the ceramite cover overr the plasna "coils/grills/whatever", the marine holding it looks like a badass too. The robe detail is fantastic. Surely another sign of imminent arrival of Sisters of Battle plastics?

I think after reading the explanation and seeing the back detail picks of those suits they make a lot more sense.

**uk_crow**

I like every single model we have seen so far, even the centurions, better start saving

**Osiris154**

I'm still trying to wrap my head around all these rumors, I just started up a BT army and didn't buy the codex for obvious reasons.

Some concerns.

- Going from a full codex to being rolled into C:SM
- GW releasing new Sternguard Kits, BT dont use sternguard. Could the roll in and the more "available" unit options be just more cash flow $$, I would hate to think they got rolled into C:SM to sell kits they don't use and could this affect the fluff.
- All the chapters being listed are all 1st founding, where as BT are not I just hope they get as much attention as the other chapters.
- It would piss me off do buy the C:SM to play this new army to find the BT entry very limited and then have to buy a supplement for BT in a few months time.

Then again there's still rumors of BT getting their own codex all together.. and these rumors saying they aren't and its confirmed.

On some sort of positive note..

- We still get the EC
- We still get crusader squads and the exclusive LR variant

**cadbren**

Still no MK VI torso and no non-MK VII backpacks.
That's a pity, but a self-loading ML, aiming arms, new legs, better sgt torso are very welcome additions.
What I'd love to see happen is that all bald heads came standard with a mohawk. If you don't want the mo then cut it off, otherwise leave them on.
Interesting that one of the heads is like sgt Telion.

**Osiris154**

I bought the MKIII Iron armor pattern for my BT so the tactical squad upgrades im not fussed about, however the weapons from the kits im sure will be nice.

**Medium of Death**

I think the inclusion of Black Templars in the main book really does shoot down the possibility of them getting their own codex.

Supplement? Maybe, but I don't think the rumours are pointing to that.

**Crazyterran**

Osiris154 wrote:
I'm still trying to wrap my head around all these rumors, I just started up a BT army and didn't buy the codex for obvious reasons.

Some concerns.

- Going from a full codex to being rolled into C:SM
- GW releasing new Sternguard Kits, BT dont use sternguard. Could the roll in and the more "available" unit options be just more cash flow $$, I would hate to think they got rolled into C:SM to sell kits they don't use and could this affect the fluff.
- All the chapters being listed are all 1st founding, where as BT are not I just hope they get as much attention as the other chapters.
- It would piss me off do buy the C:SM to play this new army to find the BT entry very limited and then have to buy a supplement for BT in a few months time.

Then again there's still rumors of BT getting their own codex all together.. and these rumors saying they aren't and its confirmed.

On some sort of positive note..

- We still get the EC
- We still get crusader squads and the exclusive LR variant

The Crusader isn't exclusive. It's just that you can take them as DTs for your Crusader Squads.

And yes, the Black Templar have been rolled into Codex: Space Marines, with a possible supplement down the line.

**Osiris154**

@ ~Crazyterran

Thanks for clearing that up about the crusader. However even the possibility of a supplement really annoys me, especially after being rolled into the C:SM and how bs the Iyanden supplement was. It just screams
greed on GW's part. Roll them into the codex and do it right, or make a supplement and do it right, not both.

September can't arrive fast enough.

**MajorWesJanson**

Osiris154 wrote:
Some concerns.

- Going from a full codex to being rolled into C:SM
- GW releasing new Sternguard Kits, BT dont use sternguard. Could the roll in and the more "available" unit options be just more cash flow $$, I would hate to think they got rolled into C:SM to sell kits they don't use and could this affect the fluff.
- All the chapters being listed are all 1st founding, where as BT are not I just hope they get as much attention as the other chapters.
- It would piss me off do buy the C:SM to play this new army to find the BT entry very limited and then have to buy a supplement for BT in a few months time.

Sword Brethren were just a rename of the veteran squads in 4th. Only change was no sergeant and a built in 1 pt crusader seal. Now you may just have "shooty" sword brethren and "assaulty" sword brethren.
From the sounds of it, there are 7 "main" chapters in the book- 6 first founding and the BT. And Templars are in better shape than many of the first founding chapters- UM have 6 SCs, BT have 3, IF, CF, RG, WS, Sallies all have 1 each, Iron Hands have none.

**unmercifulconker**

Is this codex priced the same as the others or does it cost more because its bigger?

Edit: I also really hope to see more SC's or special rules for each chapter listed in the codex, just to really individualise peoples armies further.

**Osiris154**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Osiris154 wrote:
Some concerns.

- Going from a full codex to being rolled into C:SM
- GW releasing new Sternguard Kits, BT dont use sternguard. Could the roll in and the more "available" unit options be just more cash flow $$, I would hate to think they got rolled into C:SM to sell kits they don't use and could this affect the fluff.
- All the chapters being listed are all 1st founding, where as BT are not I just hope they get as much attention as the other chapters.
- It would piss me off do buy the C:SM to play this new army to find the BT entry very limited and then have to buy a supplement for BT in a few months time.

Sword Brethren were just a rename of the veteran squads in 4th. Only change was no sergeant and a built in 1 pt crusader seal. Now you may just have "shooty" sword brethren and "assaulty" sword brethren.
From the sounds of it, there are 7 "main" chapters in the book- 6 first founding and the BT. And Templars are in better shape than many of the first founding chapters- UM have 6 SCs, BT have 3, IF, CF, RG, WS, Sallies all have 1 each, Iron Hands have none.

Yeah true.

I suppose if we got the option to upgrade the vets to SB with a bonus or just buy them as normal with optional BT like upgrades that would be cool either way. I would still definetly go more towards the assault side of the vets given the fact BT
in their fluff are not really a shooting army. They kind of remind me of warriors who defended Jerusalem in the movie Kingdom of Heaven, smart and organised but eager for combat

**Imperial Deceit**

Lets not forget that the BA can also take the LR and it's varients and DTs. But they won't be getting rolled into the the new SM codex. I think the fact that one of the LE covers for the new 'dex is a BT cover pretty much sums up the future for the BT as an independant codex. Will they get a supplement? Maybe, but the onlt SM sup. I have even heard rumors about is Ultramarines. Which is kind of like doing a Black Legion sup. for chaos. (Oh wait...)