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I know the only reason I don't have a SoB army already is that they don't have any plastic models...

 Zande4 wrote:

Dark Eldar had nice fluff and lots of potential. Nuns with guns are just silly.

Dark Eldar has nice fluff now.

Emphasis on the "now".

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If you cannot post on this topic without belittling or insulting other forum members then it's best you do not post.

Uh, parts of my last post weren't even a part of that debate. Or all that insulting, really. But okay, I'll remake it, as inoffensive as possible.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I ignore it because it's just adding extra posts to this already "lost cause" thread you guys have once again self-destructed with fruitless arguments against my posts.

What would the difference be what the "belief" is? That's irrelevant, since the belief is demonstrably correct. The Imperial Creed believe in the Emperor as a God. The Acts of Faith prove he is a god and gives them magical powers. See, that's the thing about textual and contextual analysis. You don't get to leave out the parts you don't like.

But aren't you ignoring the parts that outright say that they are only seemingly miriaculous? The Acts of Faith aren't by any means magical, just cases of the mind pushing the body to greater feats.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Dark Eldar has nice fluff now.

Emphasis on the "now".

SoB have pretty nice fluff too. At least in my opinion.

From what I've heard, the Dark Eldar fluff update basically just fleshed things out, and that's all the Sisters need too. Hell, the material already exists in their older codexes. Just include and build on that stuff.

ClockworkZion wrote:
Much like the Dark Eldar, an pdate is coming and the Devs want to do it right, we just need to accept that it might not be as quick as we would like.

I'm perfectly fine with waiting for an update, and the devs at Citadel outright said that they weren't in the immediate future. Much better a proper model/codex update than just a rushed codex, after all.

What about the possibility of a redesign to the armor?
They did it with Necrons and DE.
Do you think they'll change the look of Sisters of battle?
I hope not, but you can never tell.

It will be interesting to see how they expand upon the units available to SoB. After losing the inquisitorial henchmen, their codex is pretty much just battle sisters.

 gossipmeng wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they expand upon the units available to SoB. After losing the inquisitorial henchmen, their codex is pretty much just battle sisters.

And weird old guys.

 gossipmeng wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they expand upon the units available to SoB. After losing the inquisitorial henchmen, their codex is pretty much just battle sisters.

Which I vastly prefer. Let Sisters have the spotlight to themselves.

 MWHistorian wrote:
What about the possibility of a redesign to the armor?
They did it with Necrons and DE.
Do you think they'll change the look of Sisters of battle?
I hope not, but you can never tell.

I kinda hope not either. I quite like the current armour.

Though they might do something with the arm cloth to make the arms posable. I wouldn't mind that too much if it got us plastics.

 MWHistorian wrote:
What about the possibility of a redesign to the armor?
They did it with Necrons and DE.
Do you think they'll change the look of Sisters of battle?
I hope not, but you can never tell.

Yes, it is possible for them to change the Sisters, but I have a feeling that they rather like the current aesthetic so they're trying everything they can to continue the baroque, gothic look for the Sisters. Of course there is no proof of this other than they haven't redesigned the Sisters yet.

 gossipmeng wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they expand upon the units available to SoB. After losing the inquisitorial henchmen, their codex is pretty much just battle sisters.

As a lot of us feel it should be. I really recommend people look at the 2nd Edition book. All Sisters and Ecclesiarchy and it really does a good job of fleshing the Ecclesiarchy and the Sisters properly. I have a feeling that they were shooting for returning to those roots when they did the WD codex and moved all the Inquisitorial stuff to the Grey Knights book to not invalidate it.

Now they could bring the Ordos Hereticus stuff back but seeing as they left that out of the fluff for the WD Codex, I don't really see it. Besides you can ally to get Inquisitors which is really more along how it should be.

If its just the sleeves holding plastic sisters back, St. Celestine doesn't have sleeves. Just get rid of em.
And who should write the codex?
Personally, I want Dan Abnett to write the fluff. I don't think he writes codex fluff, but he should start.

He doesn't, and I don't think he actually plays the game. Dan Abnett is first and foremost an author of fiction. He writes for the Black Library, but those aren't his only credits. He's also got his own version of the setting that he writes his books within, which is fine, but, even though I'm a big Dan Abnett fan, I don't always agree with his decisions on certain fluff aspects.

MWHistorian wrote:If its just the sleeves holding plastic sisters back, St. Celestine doesn't have sleeves. Just get rid of em.

Meh. Celestine also isn't a Battle Sister. The sleeves are part of the robes, and without robes the Sisters lose a good deal of their "religious" feel and be 25% closer to looking like Space Marines, and 100% closer to looking like some random Inquisitor in power armour.

Obviously it comes down to personal preferences, but I'm very sceptical towards such huge changes to their visual appearance. If they can't get their precious multipose minis with sleeves, I'd rather they would simply drop that idea and have the arms (and thus sleeves) affixed firmly and thus molded to fit to the torso. Together with the head and legs being extra, that's still more flexibility than the old monopose metal minis.

Psienesis wrote:but, even though I'm a big Dan Abnett fan, I don't always agree with his decisions on certain fluff aspects.

^ That would be my main concern as well. I'm not sure how much he had to do with certain .. controversial aspects of Dark Heresy's fluff, but let's just say I'd prefer one of the oldschool studio writers. That way at least there is a good chance that the established tone would be replicated.

If possible, they should get Andy Hoare back on board for this.

Hey, one can dream.

 MWHistorian wrote:
And who should write the codex?

A good question!

I see three decent choices: Ward (don't shoot, I promise I have reasons!) Vetock and Kelly.

Ward doing it would certainly just about gurantee us a competetive army with badass fluff. He did write the fluff in the WD codex, which was actually pretty good. Though there is the risk he'll go oveboard and give the Sisters OP rules and over the top fluff. Overall I'd be willing to give him a chance.

Vetock was seen as a favourable choice by others, and I can see why. He's got a pretty solid history. Seems like he'd give us a solid codex. Though we've seen no evidence that he's particularly interested or cares about the Sisters though, so I wouldn't quite want him on that basis.

Lastly, Kelly also seems a good choice. He said that Sisters are a book that he was interested in doing at some point, so the enthusiasm for the army is there. His last two codexes, Daemons and Eldar, seemed to be more or less well recieved. Don't know of any reasons why he wouldn't make a good SoB codex.

But anyway, the current evidence of Kelly expressing interest would suggest that he'll be the one to do it. But I suppose it's too much to early to say. All I know is that I hope to Big E that it's not The Cruddance.

The really funny thing about the faith vs magic argument is that we all know if they do get a 6th ed update the Acts of Faith will turn into a psychic power. Can you say "Sisterhood of Psykers" anyone?

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
The really funny thing about the faith vs magic argument is that we all know if they do get a 6th ed update the Acts of Faith will turn into a psychic power. Can you say "Sisterhood of Psykers" anyone?

Yeah, unlikely. They haven't been psychic for 5 editions. I doubt they will this one.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
The really funny thing about the faith vs magic argument is that we all know if they do get a 6th ed update the Acts of Faith will turn into a psychic power. Can you say "Sisterhood of Psykers" anyone?

Nahhh. Sisters aren't the biggest fans of psykers, so it'd be dumb to make them an implicitly all-psyker army.

A defining feature of the Acts of Faith is that they are not a psychic phenomena created by psykers. Anti-psyker measures have never been effective against the Sisters. Were it a psychic/magic thing, then anti-warp measures would shut them down.

Yeah, I doubt the psyker angle.
But I do like Kelly for the writer. Not being outright antagonistic toward the Sisters is a good start and I like the Eldar Dex.

There are no psychic Sisters... and for a Sister to suddenly express psychic ability while in the Order? Well... that is a very, very bad way to die.

Troike wrote:Ward doing it would certainly just about gurantee us a competetive army with badass fluff. He did write the fluff in the WD codex, which was actually pretty good.

I'm still miffed about him having changed Praxedes from being MIA to confirmed dead. The old story was so much cooler as it had the potential for a great in-universe legend about a badass Canoness and her bodyguards still hacking and slaughtering their way through an entire Tyranid Hive Fleet, as ridiculous as it would sound to us as (fairly) objective spectators. All I can say is, why the change? What was the author's intention there?

Although I have heard that Ward only wrote the rules, and the Cruddace wrote the fluff? I'm not entirely sure who actually wrote what in that article.
Kelly could work nicely, though. I liked his IG stuff.

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:Ward doing it would certainly just about gurantee us a competetive army with badass fluff. He did write the fluff in the WD codex, which was actually pretty good.

I'm still miffed about him having changed Praxedes from being MIA to confirmed dead. The old story was so much cooler as it had the potential for a great in-universe legend about a badass Canoness and her bodyguards still hacking and slaughtering their way through an entire Tyranid Hive Fleet, as ridiculous as it would sound to us as (fairly) objective spectators. All I can say is, why the change? What was the author's intention there?

Although I have heard that Ward only wrote the rules, and the Cruddace wrote the fluff? I'm not entirely sure who actually wrote what in that article.
Kelly could work nicely, though. I liked his IG stuff.

From what I've heard Ward wrote the fluff and Cruddace wrote the rules. The Faith Mechanic definitely feels like something Cruddace would do at least.

The confirmed dead does suck, but it's one of those things that would happen even in universe, eventually. I like to assume that they found her still standing body atop a mountain of Tyranid corpses, ready to strike the next one that came within reach.

Oh, so it was the other way around? Okay, I may just have mixed that up.

ClockworkZion wrote:The confirmed dead does suck, but it's one of those things that would happen even in universe, eventually. I like to assume that they found her still standing body atop a mountain of Tyranid corpses, ready to strike the next one that came within reach.

Yeah, but the story mentions how they dragged her corpse away into the last evac shuttles.
In the old version, she stayed behind, and the last thing anyone ever saw of her was her brandishing her power maul and bracing to meet the charging 'nids. Hence the legend. Since the entire planet was overrun, any retrieval would have been impossible, anyways.

I just ... fail to see the point in this change. It makes her death so much less special by eliminating this cool "well MAYBE she is still alive" angle from in-universe opinion about her. Now all she did was to bash some Hive Tyrant's head in before collapsing on the ground. Whoop-de-doo. I'm not even sure this alone should actually qualify for being anointed as a Saint.

[edit] Sorry for the tone, I was (or still am) just really disappointed when reading that bit in the new 'dex.

I agree that the previous Praxedes story was much, much better overall. But still, the other fluff was fun. The Sisters headshot a Farseer, successfully raid a Daemon world, annihilate a Red Corsair attack and fight back to back with Salamanders. Fun stuff.

But yeah, Kelly is likely the safer choice.


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 Lynata wrote:
Now all she did was to bash some Hive Tyrant's head in before collapsing on the ground. Whoop-de-doo. I'm not even sure this alone should actually qualify for being anointed as a Saint.

She did do it while she was dying, and was single-handedly responsible for turning the tide of the battle.

Not to sound like I'm defending it. While there is some badassery there, it is still less cool that the "becomes a myth" version.

Lol.

There is a number of us who are winning in no uncertain terms using Sisters of Battle. their "little codex" won four tournies in a row for me and took 3rd at NOVA.

So I suspect those speaking about Sisters (most of the time) haven't payed against them often. they are quite good.

the popularity issue may be another matter. I think the idea of guys playing a girl army is causing the silly ill will towards it frankly. It aint the results on the field because those have been good for me, for YEARS, before and after the new codex.

there is a very large thread for Sisters of Battle on Dakka BTW.

The detail and slimness of the Necron, Eldar (both flavors) and Chaos models seems to indicate there is hope of overcoming the technical difficulties of producing plastic SoB models. Plus the flowing robes of the DA.

The other difficult task is developing credible expansion units to provide list-building options.

CleansingFire wrote:
The detail and slimness of the Necron, Eldar (both flavors) and Chaos models seems to indicate there is hope of overcoming the technical difficulties of producing plastic SoB models. Plus the flowing robes of the DA.

The other difficult task is developing credible expansion units to provide list-building options.

DA robes aren't new, and don't have sleeves. Frankly there are a LOT of small details that can cause problems for Sisters in the molding process. Sleeves aren't the only issue after all.

Sounds like I'm in the minority here, but I love the SOB models. I started playing back in 3rd edition, then took a break for a while. Loved the models then. Having recently gotten back into the game, while developing my main army (about 5k points of DA) I have been slowly buying up SOB models off of Ebay whenever deals are to be had.

Would love to see new plastics and a codex + new releases. Hope one day it happens. Certainly an expensive army to collect currently, even doing it entirely by sniping good deals off of ebay it's added up quite fast.

 Jancoran wrote:
Lol.

There is a number of us who are winning in no uncertain terms using Sisters of Battle. their "little codex" won four tournies in a row for me and took 3rd at NOVA.

So I suspect those speaking about Sisters (most of the time) haven't payed against them often. they are quite good.

the popularity issue may be another matter. I think the idea of guys playing a girl army is causing the silly ill will towards it frankly. It aint the results on the field because those have been good for me, for YEARS, before and after the new codex.

there is a very large thread for Sisters of Battle on Dakka BTW.

Your blatant condescension is noted and not appreciated.

While I firmly believe that sisters will never see a true update (please prove me wrong GW). I would like for them to lose the sleeves and robes all together.

Make them stop looking like short, squat, Dark Angels. A complete overhaul similar to Dark Eldar might actually save the army. Keep the iconography, but readjust the armor, get some new helmets, and adjust their scale (although I think Marines could use a scale adjustment too, to be fair).

But more importantly than any of that. GW needs to hire some sculptors THAT CAN MAKE GOOD FEMALE FACES! Seriously the current sisters look like cross-dressers.

I would love for Sisters of Battle to be updated so I could run them allied with Salamanders. All those flamers and meltas galore.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
While I firmly believe that sisters will never see a true update (please prove me wrong GW). I would like for them to lose the sleeves and robes all together.

Make them stop looking like short, squat, Dark Angels. A complete overhaul similar to Dark Eldar might actually save the army. Keep the iconography, but readjust the armor, get some new helmets, and adjust their scale (although I think Marines could use a scale adjustment too, to be fair).

But more importantly than any of that. GW needs to hire some sculptors THAT CAN MAKE GOOD FEMALE FACES! Seriously the current sisters look like cross-dressers.

You could have them all wear face concealing helmets, yes even the special characters.