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BrotherVord wrote:
We are posting rumors from 4chan now? Ugh.

I like what I'm hearing other than that thoughh

Other than the fact that we can't track mongers, 4chan has been pretty good for getting us pics and other bits recently. I wouldn't knock it too much.

 streamdragon wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
meh. guessing my Nids will continue to ride the bench. there's a whole lot of "brings them up a bit", but nothing that jumps out as "omg this is a neat new thing!"

Assault after running doesn't sound fantastic to do? I dunno, this kind of is the cheif complaint with Tyranid melee units right now aside from assault grenades.

It's nice to have it back, yes. But again, this isn't a new thing. We had this, we did okay. We lost it, suddenly we didn't do so okay in assault. Now we're getting it back, we might do well again. This is less "take this nice new thing" and more "here's some of the stuff we took away when we broke you".


Frankly, I see more stuff being taken away.


For instance the rumors mention warrior as sergeants for gaunt squads. This was something we "lacked", so no challenges and whatnot. No big loss to me, honestly. I expect one of two things to happen:

1. Warriors get a points increase or stat nerf, since making troop units fearless is basically an auto-include it has to be balanced accordingly.
2. Warriors lose synapse, getting either a LD boost (so gaunts have a decent chance of making IB rolls) or some watered down version of it. Rerolls maybe.

Even the watered down version of Eternal Warrior being rumored is like, "meh". Warriors were a decent if subpar option when they had EW. They took that away and how many warriors did you see on the table? Almost none. So they give it back, people lap it up as "omg they buffed us!" which is true relative to the crappace book, but not a buff relative to the game's current power level.

The big difference is that you couldn't take warriors are troops in 4th, they were limited to HQ and Elites, and frankly there were far better choice for both slots, especially if you were running Nidzilla. If warriors remain troops AND get a buff/points change/something to protect them from S8, then I have no doubt you'll be seeing a lot more of them.

Now the big thing I'm worried about is whether bone swords will be changed to AP3...

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
meh. guessing my Nids will continue to ride the bench. there's a whole lot of "brings them up a bit", but nothing that jumps out as "omg this is a neat new thing!"

Assault after running doesn't sound fantastic to do? I dunno, this kind of is the cheif complaint with Tyranid melee units right now aside from assault grenades.

It's nice to have it back, yes. But again, this isn't a new thing. We had this, we did okay. We lost it, suddenly we didn't do so okay in assault. Now we're getting it back, we might do well again. This is less "take this nice new thing" and more "here's some of the stuff we took away when we broke you".


Frankly, I see more stuff being taken away.


For instance the rumors mention warrior as sergeants for gaunt squads. This was something we "lacked", so no challenges and whatnot. No big loss to me, honestly. I expect one of two things to happen:

1. Warriors get a points increase or stat nerf, since making troop units fearless is basically an auto-include it has to be balanced accordingly.
2. Warriors lose synapse, getting either a LD boost (so gaunts have a decent chance of making IB rolls) or some watered down version of it. Rerolls maybe.

Even the watered down version of Eternal Warrior being rumored is like, "meh". Warriors were a decent if subpar option when they had EW. They took that away and how many warriors did you see on the table? Almost none. So they give it back, people lap it up as "omg they buffed us!" which is true relative to the crappace book, but not a buff relative to the game's current power level.

The big difference is that you couldn't take warriors are troops in 4th, they were limited to HQ and Elites, and frankly there were far better choice for both slots, especially if you were running Nidzilla. If warriors remain troops AND get a buff/points change/something to protect them from S8, then I have no doubt you'll be seeing a lot more of them.

Now the big thing I'm worried about is whether bone swords will be changed to AP3...

I'm not too worried about that. Every army has seen a comprehensive boost overall since getting their 6th edition book. Even if Boneswords were relegated to AP3, the Tyranids would get plenty in return to make up for that. Besides, it's not like you had more than a handful in the entire army anyway. Swarmlord and Hive Tyrants would already be AP2 for being Monstrous, and Tyranid Warriors really shouldn't be slaughtering Terminators with ease.

Tyranids won't receive an overall nerf, but that's what most people will focus on. They did the same to Eldar when Runes changed; made a huge stink in fact. Completely ignored that Guardians and Aspect Warriors got better across the board, Wraithguard got better AND cheaper to buy ($$), the Battle Focus ability, Wave Serpents becoming the hands-down best tank in the game, all sorts of new wargear options, Warlord Traits, psychic abilities, competitive builds, etc. It's easy to look at what one used to play with, and directly think it a nerf because it changed. The difference is, we won't be playing against 5th edition armies anymore. Most of the armies will be 6th ed when Tyranids drop. (Yes, GK's and Necrons are 6th edition books in rules, flavor, and play-style.) We have to look at what the rules do in the current/future meta, not compare them to what they did in the previous edition.

 brassangel wrote:
Tyranids won't receive an overall nerf

You are far more confident of this than I am...

I wait with a strange mix of glee and fatalism to see just how they have overly complicated the problem of Medium-Sized Nids this time around, rather than just making them T5.

IMO, both 'Stealers and Warriors should be slaughtering Terminators with ease.

It is the pay back for the huge amount of shooting damage that they can cause. Some nids might eventually drown the enemy in their own blood but others should be feared and respected...

Tyranid Warriors really shouldn't be slaughtering Terminators with ease.

I remember a small story were Tyranid Warriors were slaughtering Terminators, their Boneswords ignoring the armor.

Now we have 2 sets of rumours, one saying we can ally with ourselves and alter the FOC, the other rumour saying no allying up or alter the FOC.

So if we go with the latter, no FOC altering, would that mean gaunts don't make Terviongs Troops now?

Also I remember when 5th edition Nid codex coming out, lots of the stuff coming out were false.

Also how can we have Nid rumour now when it's still 3 months away? I mean we don't get rumours until 4 weeks before release. How are we getting rumours 12 weeks away, and before the SM are even announced yet?

 brassangel wrote:
Tyranid Warriors really shouldn't be slaughtering Terminators with ease.

They cost at least the same amount of points and die far easier to ranged weapons.
Yeah, not seeing the issue.

Davor wrote:
Now we have 2 sets of rumours, one saying we can ally with ourselves and alter the FOC, the other rumour saying no allying up or alter the FOC.

So if we go with the latter, no FOC altering, would that mean gaunts don't make Terviongs Troops now?

Also I remember when 5th edition Nid codex coming out, lots of the stuff coming out were false.

Also how can we have Nid rumour now when it's still 3 months away? I mean we don't get rumours until 4 weeks before release. How are we getting rumours 12 weeks away, and before the SM are even announced yet?

Agreed. If I had to choose, I would put the 4chan rumors as bogus and the original Faeit set as playtest rules.

Even BoLs just posted a very generic wishy washy this is what we think is happening post on bugs just to be safe.

I trust about 80% of what's up now.

 Souleater wrote:
I wait with a strange mix of glee and fatalism to see just how they have overly complicated the problem of Medium-Sized Nids this time around, rather than just making them T5.

Why not give warriors an option to take either Wings (moving them to FA, or +1T moving them to elite.

Davor wrote:
So if we go with the latter, no FOC altering, would that mean gaunts don't make Terviongs Troops now?

Or Tervigons are troops only, require a gant squad to unlock, and removed from HQ

MadmanMSU wrote:

Davor wrote:
Also how can we have Nid rumour now when it's still 3 months away? I mean we don't get rumours until 4 weeks before release. How are we getting rumours 12 weeks away, and before the SM are even announced yet?

Agreed. If I had to choose, I would put the 4chan rumors as bogus and the original Faeit set as playtest rules.

If they are in Nov, wouldn't this be about the right time for them to start printing books and writing up WD?

And I'd go with the 4chan rumors over the Faeit stuff. It is oddly detailed, but it both fits with GW precedent, is rational, and is plausible, without the weird 3 HQ changing FOC, 3rd Giant oval base, redone termagants box stuff from Faeit.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

And I'd go with the 4chan rumors over the Faeit stuff. It is oddly detailed, but it both fits with GW precedent, is rational, and is plausible, without the weird 3 HQ changing FOC, 3rd Giant oval base, redone termagants box stuff from Faeit.

Agreed. The 4chan stuff looks more believable, and it's not like Faeit is any better regarding reliability as a rumour source.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

And I'd go with the 4chan rumors over the Faeit stuff. It is oddly detailed, but it both fits with GW precedent, is rational, and is plausible, without the weird 3 HQ changing FOC, 3rd Giant oval base, redone termagants box stuff from Faeit.

Agreed. The 4chan stuff looks more believable, and it's not like Faeit is any better regarding reliability as a rumour source.

Double BURN!

True though...Faeit doesn't have a solid reputation like BoLs and BoK...

...but that is because they tend to hold off on letting the rumors fly until they know for certain.

I still give props to Faeit for putting themselves out there.

 ductvader wrote:
True though...Faeit doesn't have a solid reputation like BoLs and BoK...

...but that is because they tend to hold off on letting the rumors fly until they know for certain.

I still give props to Faeit for putting themselves out there.

BOLS doesn't have that great a rep either. 34/70 when combined.
Larry Vela - Total rumors: (12 TRUE) / (26 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Big Red - Total rumors: (16 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
BOLS - Total rumors: (6 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING

Tastytaste on BoK, on the other hand, has really improved.

Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Faeit really needs to filter. Putting yourself out there doesn't need to mean posting every piece of drek that comes across your desk.
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (181 TRUE) / (238 FALSE) / (34 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
181 true out of 453? Yikes.

 pretre wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
True though...Faeit doesn't have a solid reputation like BoLs and BoK...

...but that is because they tend to hold off on letting the rumors fly until they know for certain.

I still give props to Faeit for putting themselves out there.

BOLS doesn't have that great a rep either. 34/70 when combined.
Larry Vela - Total rumors: (12 TRUE) / (26 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Big Red - Total rumors: (16 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
BOLS - Total rumors: (6 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING

Tastytaste on BoK, on the other hand, has really improved.

Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Faeit really needs to filter. Putting yourself out there doesn't need to mean posting every piece of drek that comes across your desk.
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (181 TRUE) / (238 FALSE) / (34 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
181 true out of 453? Yikes.

Great post! Exalted!

MajorWesJanson wrote:Oddly specific for being 3-6 months out.

Maybe because it's 6 weeks out

 Kroothawk wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:Oddly specific for being 3-6 months out.

Maybe because it's 6 weeks out

Or GW has stopped Mat Ward from writing codecies the night before a release...

I would bet this one's been done for a while, maybe minus the actual sculpts. I can't see anyone at GW spending a lot of time on rules.

The 4chan rumors do actually sound a lot more plausible.

Except the Genethrope, unless it was supposed to be Venomthrope.


I would also think that Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard would get a Dual Plastic kit.

I guess we'll know in about two months.

 pretre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

And I'd go with the 4chan rumors over the Faeit stuff. It is oddly detailed, but it both fits with GW precedent, is rational, and is plausible, without the weird 3 HQ changing FOC, 3rd Giant oval base, redone termagants box stuff from Faeit.

Agreed. The 4chan stuff looks more believable, and it's not like Faeit is any better regarding reliability as a rumour source.

Double BURN!

Well, until Faeit starts giving anonymous rumors pseudonyms so we can at least tell them apart, Faeit takes all the blame/credit as far as reliability goes.

I would point out on the Genethrope-naming topic that GW just produced the "Ripperdactyl" model for fantasy lizardmen...

The 4chan rumors point to a ML2 Psyker with 1 psychic ability. This breaks from every other 6th Ed psyker, where ML equals # of powers.

And who wants a ML2 psyker that has 1 power rolling on Biomancy? You can't cast the same power twice a turn, and there's no Warp Charge 2 powers.

Can't remember if I said it here or somewhere else.

How come we getting rumours 12 weeks out, espically before the Space Marine release? I believe EVERYTHING for 6th edition, we didn't get rumours until 4 weeks before release.

So now all of a sudden we are getting rumours 12 weeks away?

Also why have a rumour saying the release is the first Saturday of November. Why not say the actual date Nov 2?
If the rumour was true, he would know the actual date, but since it's fake and he is half arsed not to check the actual date, leads me to believe it's false.

As I said in another forum, I can say, I have a rumour, 7th edition of 40K will be released on the first Saturday of September 2016. This is what it sounds more to me.

We are all clamouring for rumours, not been getting any for over a year, and now all of a sudden they are coming fast and furious. I believe in March we had some rumours that were 3 months away, and they were proven false.

Unless the release date is 4 weeks away, I believe most rumours are false. If they are preview copies, then they will most likely not be in the final product.

Just eating alot of salt all of a sudden.

 pretre wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
True though...Faeit doesn't have a solid reputation like BoLs and BoK...

...but that is because they tend to hold off on letting the rumors fly until they know for certain.

I still give props to Faeit for putting themselves out there.

BOLS doesn't have that great a rep either. 34/70 when combined.
Larry Vela - Total rumors: (12 TRUE) / (26 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Big Red - Total rumors: (16 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
BOLS - Total rumors: (6 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING

Tastytaste on BoK, on the other hand, has really improved.

Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Faeit really needs to filter. Putting yourself out there doesn't need to mean posting every piece of drek that comes across your desk.
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (181 TRUE) / (238 FALSE) / (34 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
181 true out of 453? Yikes.

Faeit puts it out there because they are rumors. That's what rumors are: speculative information. I could post rumors with 100% accuracy by simply waiting long enough. He's not making predictions, just posting the information he receives from any and all sources.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would point out on the Genethrope-naming topic that GW just produced the "Ripperdactyl" model for fantasy lizardmen...

I thought you were joking. Then I googled it.

I"m a little sad now.

Genethropes, here we come.
So...roughly translates as offspring/begetting man.

 brassangel wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
True though...Faeit doesn't have a solid reputation like BoLs and BoK...

...but that is because they tend to hold off on letting the rumors fly until they know for certain.

I still give props to Faeit for putting themselves out there.

BOLS doesn't have that great a rep either. 34/70 when combined.
Larry Vela - Total rumors: (12 TRUE) / (26 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Big Red - Total rumors: (16 TRUE) / (6 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
BOLS - Total rumors: (6 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING

Tastytaste on BoK, on the other hand, has really improved.

Tastytaste at Blood of Kittens - Total rumors: (118 TRUE) / (15 FALSE) / (12 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Faeit really needs to filter. Putting yourself out there doesn't need to mean posting every piece of drek that comes across your desk.
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (181 TRUE) / (238 FALSE) / (34 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
181 true out of 453? Yikes.

Faeit puts it out there because they are rumors. That's what rumors are: speculative information. I could post rumors with 100% accuracy by simply waiting long enough. He's not making predictions, just posting the information he receives from any and all sources.

have to agree with this and by the looks of it 34/70 (48%) and 181/453 (39%) yeah its 9% difference buut who puts them selves out there alot? and who makes the predictions furthest ahead.
edit: and i know people are gonna say throw enough at the wall..... etc, but really 39% isnt too bad, as much as we would like 100% accuracy but on that number of rumors over how long. if it was he would need to be kirby himself haha

Davor wrote:
Can't remember if I said it here or somewhere else.

How come we getting rumours 12 weeks out, espically before the Space Marine release? I believe EVERYTHING for 6th edition, we didn't get rumours until 4 weeks before release.

So now all of a sudden we are getting rumours 12 weeks away? P

I raised this earlier. Basically, we only ever get these kinds of rumours now when someone gets an advance copy of White Dwarf. This releases White Dwarf would be 2 issues away, so yeah, it's most likely completely bogus.

Quark wrote:
The 4chan rumors point to a ML2 Psyker with 1 psychic ability. This breaks from every other 6th Ed psyker, where ML equals # of powers.

And who wants a ML2 psyker that has 1 power rolling on Biomancy? You can't cast the same power twice a turn, and there's no Warp Charge 2 powers.

Easy to do in the current rules without breaking the Mstery Level = powers rule:
Pay x points for the "Power of the hive" rule. When a model with this rule generates a warp charge, it gains an additional warp charge.

And if you are going to roll on biomancy, don't bother getting the upgrade, it seems to be designed for potential nid powers which can be "overcharged."

Not related to the veracity of the rumor, but it could be done extremely easily without breaking any core rules.

Quark wrote:
The 4chan rumors point to a ML2 Psyker with 1 psychic ability. This breaks from every other 6th Ed psyker, where ML equals # of powers.

And who wants a ML2 psyker that has 1 power rolling on Biomancy? You can't cast the same power twice a turn, and there's no Warp Charge 2 powers.

I believe it also suggested that all powers would begin at 1 Charge and improve depending on how much charge you used. So a ML2 with one power would be pretty strongly guaranteed to do its one power stronger.

But yes, it is weird.