Tyranid Rumours (1st post updated with hive guard pic.)

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**tetrisphreak**

Janthkin wrote:
For a reasonable price, I'd be willing to deal with instant death on T5 Carnifexes.

My biggest complaint is that Necrons have a 50 pt. MC T6 w/3 wounds & 3+ armor. The improvement in stats from a Tomb Spyder to a Carnifex is not such that the cost difference is justified.

Your comparison is accurate - If you merge the stats of 3 tomb spyders you end up with a WS3 BS3 T6 W9 Str5 MC with 6 base attacks that gets +3 A when charging...for 10 points less than a current carnifex! They desperately need a points drop and not even necessarily any nerfs to go along with it, in the current metagame of grav guns and bladestorms about, along with all the AP2 and Mass-of -Fire Tau bring too.

Cheap carnifexes for all! I'm going batty here with the lack of any tyranid rumors, pics of the codex, etc. The rapid release schedule of 2013 has spoiled me and i'm sour that i'll have to wait an additional 2-3 months before i get a shiny new 6th ed Tyranid book.

Also - make genestealers good again. they're terrifying in the fluff and pitiful on the table these days.

**rigeld2**

tetrisphreak wrote:
The rapid release schedule of 2013 has spoiled me and i'm sour that i'll have to wait an additional 2-3 months before i get a shiny new 6th ed Tyranid book.

This-so-much...

**gorgon**

Tyranids have mutated so much with each codex that it's hard for me to get my head around how they'd change next. I thought I had a sizable collection 4 years ago and that a new codex couldn't possibly throw me for a loop, but lo and behold they added umpteen new units and got me for another few hundred bucks.

I'm pretty set other than Harpies and Pyrovores, so maybe that's my clue as to what the next must-have uberunits will be.

**rigeld2**

I need to get some Pyrovores, but ... Pyrovores.

**Janthkin**

rigeld2 wrote:
I need to get some Pyrovores, but ... Pyrovores.

The sad thing? I'd bring Pyrovores (in a Pod), if I could get them in Fast Attack. Precision-delivery of heavy flamers is an awesome thing in this ADL-dominated world.

**wyomingfox**

I forgett, what slot are they in?

**rigeld2**

Janthkin wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
I need to get some Pyrovores, but ... Pyrovores.
The sad thing? I'd bring Pyrovores (in a Pod), if I could get them in Fast Attack. Precision-delivery of heavy flamers is an awesome thing in this ADL-dominated world.

I almost would too - but I'd have to drop a Carnifex :-/ If they were better in CC or ... stood out for any reason aside from the template I'd use them.

wyomingfox wrote:I forgett, what slot are they in?

Elites.

**tetrisphreak**

rigeld2 wrote:
I need to get some Pyrovores, but ... Pyrovores.

I have 1 right now and don't plan to buy any more until after the update. I will say this - i've never used him as a pyrovore because he makes a way better looking biovore IMO.

**agonzoman00**

rigeld2 wrote:
I need to get some Pyrovores, but ... Pyrovores.

I think everyone wants Pyrovores to be good but in a crowded out Elite section and the fact that Biovores do the same job but only so much better there has never been a use for them. I'm not sure that can even be fixed with a new codex.

**brassangel**

tetrisphreak wrote:
Janthkin wrote:
For a reasonable price, I'd be willing to deal with instant death on T5 Carnifexes.

My biggest complaint is that Necrons have a 50 pt. MC T6 w/3 wounds & 3+ armor. The improvement in stats from a Tomb Spyder to a Carnifex is not such that the cost difference is justified.

Your comparison is accurate - If you merge the stats of 3 tomb spyders you end up with a WS3 BS3 T6 W9 Str5 MC with 6 base attacks that gets +3 A when charging...for 10 points less than a current carnifex! They desperately need a points drop and not even necessarily any nerfs to go along with it, in the current metagame of grav guns and bladestorms about, along with all the AP2 and Mass-of -Fire Tau bring too.

Cheap carnifexes for all! I'm going batty here with the lack of any tyranid rumors, pics of the codex, etc. The rapid release schedule of 2013 has spoiled me and i'm sour that i'll have to wait an additional 2-3 months before i get a shiny new 6th ed Tyranid book.

Also - make genestealers good again. they're terrifying in the fluff and pitiful on the table these days.

But they don't serve the same purpose in each respective army. I'm not saying the Carnifex is priced appropriately, just that cross-army comparison is a fool's errand.

What I don't want is the 115 point gunboat 'fexes that we field 6 of again. That isn't Tyranids. I'm not planning on trading one mono-build for another; one in which we've already had, mind you.

**Micky**

Dakkafexes should be possible and viable, but melee 'fexes should be much cheaper to field to make up for it.

**Symbio Joe**

Kroothawk wrote:
Always frustrating to check this thread for new rumours and still find nothing but the old wishlist discussion going on.

Changing all News and Rumors threads considering a codex to rumors/wishlisting would be accurate. On the bright side maybe we can beat the 177 pages of the codex space marine rumors that way... oh wait that is not good at all.

**Kwosge**

What is the going rumor about Meiotic Spores?
Rules have all been dropped from every Apoc book but FW still sells their models. Maybe they will show up in the new Tyranid codex.

Same thing for the Stone Crusher. It would be pretty cool to see a double armed crushing claw bio-morph.

**ductvader**

Tyran wrote:
ductvader wrote:
ahem...I own 15...haha

My prediction is for T5 W5-6 Carnifexes...theyre more about mass than durable

Like the opposite of a wraithlord.

The problem with that is ID.

Current Meta is lacking S10 weaponry...broadsides dont have it and vindicators and demolishers aren't that common and are able to be worked around anyways with 24" range

And it's not so muh a problem if you can take more fexes anyways.

**rigeld2**

You're forgetting the S10 smashes that every army has access to now (from MCs that go before I1).

**gorgon**

Personally, I hope an area of focus is some overhaul and cleanup of the ranged weaponry, from small to large. I think the weapons could be more distinctive and more specialized, with better effectiveness in their niches.

As is, I think there's too much overlap and blandness, with too many weapons that are never used on particular creatures. I could go on, but I don't want this to become proper wishlisting.

**ductvader**

rigeld2 wrote:
You're forgetting the S10 smashes that every army has access to now (from MCs that go before I1).

You're forgetting that this is all ideacrafting...for all we know synapse is going to give a bubble of eternal warrior.

Synapse is going to change without a doubt, its current state doesn't suit 6th edition.

And that still leaves very few things that can kill a carnifex. I personally kill other MCs with a wave or two of gants either way. T5 with more wounds also means that all the s6/7 weaponry the rules the current meta has to branch out and use other guns...because they'd suck even more than usual against MCs...it also furthers the argument between plasma and grav.

I am not saying it is happening...just that it keeps in tone with recent GW changes. Expect trygons, tyrants, tervigons, and tyrannos to stay t6

Oh, and if GW is smart they're working to introduce a whole wave of 50mm bases for hive guard, tyrant guard, biovores, and pyrovores.

**SJM**

I've painted 2 Termagants.... I'm ready for the new book now please.

**DufenDorgen**

ductvader wrote:
Tyran wrote:
ductvader wrote:
ahem...I own 15...haha

My prediction is for T5 W5-6 Carnifexes...theyre more about mass than durable

Like the opposite of a wraithlord.

The problem with that is ID.

Current Meta is lacking S10 weaponry...broadsides dont have it and vindicators and demolishers aren't that common and are able to be worked around anyways with 24" range

And it's not so muh a problem if you can take more fexes anyways.

Isn't the marines MOO drop str10 ap1?

**Da krimson barun**

brassangel wrote:

For one, a lot of the elements of Fantasy and 40k have been given to separate teams now, and The Hobbit is no longer going to disrupt the two OTHER two core games either. The Hobbit will likely not have a month to themselves.

Fixed that for you.And hobbit fans get December.December is Hobbit month.All we ask is ONE damn month and we are going to take that month until gamesworkshop truly buries the lord of the rings/The hobbit strategy battle game.

Far over the space marine statue old
To boardrooms deep
And tables old
We must away ere break of day
To defend our long complained about game of gold

The 40k fans were roaring
On the rhinos height
The fantasy fans were moaning
In the night
The insults were stopping the games chance at making people come to play it dead
They flaming spread
But we didn't give a feth.

**brassangel**

lol. Cute.

ductvader wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
You're forgetting the S10 smashes that every army has access to now (from MCs that go before I1).

You're forgetting that this is all ideacrafting...for all we know synapse is going to give a bubble of eternal warrior.

Synapse is going to change without a doubt, its current state doesn't suit 6th edition.

And that still leaves very few things that can kill a carnifex. I personally kill other MCs with a wave or two of gants either way. T5 with more wounds also means that all the s6/7 weaponry the rules the current meta has to branch out and use other guns...because they'd suck even more than usual against MCs...it also furthers the argument between plasma and grav.

I am not saying it is happening...just that it keeps in tone with recent GW changes. Expect trygons, tyrants, tervigons, and tyrannos to stay t6

Oh, and if GW is smart they're working to introduce a whole wave of 50mm bases for hive guard, tyrant guard, biovores, and pyrovores.

See, I just don't buy that GW is going to bring back an old rule for Synapse like Eternal Warrior. I don't think they are just going to take bits from old codices and stuff it back into the new one.

I expect that nobody will guess what some of the new goodies and rules are, and I'm good with that.

**l0k1**

Da krimson barun wrote:
brassangel wrote:

For one, a lot of the elements of Fantasy and 40k have been given to separate teams now, and The Hobbit is no longer going to disrupt the two OTHER two core games either. The Hobbit will likely not have a month to themselves.

Fixed that for you.And hobbit fans get December.December is Hobbit month.All we ask is ONE damn month and we are going to take that month until gamesworkshop truly buries the lord of the rings/The hobbit strategy battle game.

Far over the space marine statue old
To boardrooms deep
And tables old
We must away ere break of day
To defend our long complained about game of gold

The 40k fans were roaring
On the rhinos height
The fantasy fans were moaning
In the night
The insults were stopping the games chance at making people come to play it dead
They flaming spread
But we didn't give a feth.

Have an exalt for that impressive rendition! Lol

**brassangel**

Da krimson barun wrote:
brassangel wrote:

For one, a lot of the elements of Fantasy and 40k have been given to separate teams now, and The Hobbit is no longer going to disrupt the two OTHER two core games either. The Hobbit will likely not have a month to themselves.

Fixed that for you.And hobbit fans get December.December is Hobbit month.All we ask is ONE damn month and we are going to take that month until gamesworkshop truly buries the lord of the rings/The hobbit strategy battle game.

Far over the space marine statue old
To boardrooms deep
And tables old
We must away ere break of day
To defend our long complained about game of gold

The 40k fans were roaring
On the rhinos height
The fantasy fans were moaning
In the night
The insults were stopping the games chance at making people come to play it dead
They flaming spread
But we didn't give a feth.

That's pretty cute. The Hobbit won't remain a core game after the movies are done, however. There will be nowhere else for GW to go with it. LotR came with a much bigger set of source material, and that only lasted a few years before the bubble burst. I'm pretty sure The Hobbit game isn't in the black at all.

**Da krimson barun**

brassangel wrote:
Da krimson barun wrote:
brassangel wrote:

For one, a lot of the elements of Fantasy and 40k have been given to separate teams now, and The Hobbit is no longer going to disrupt the two OTHER two core games either. The Hobbit will likely not have a month to themselves.

Fixed that for you.And hobbit fans get December.December is Hobbit month.All we ask is ONE damn month and we are going to take that month until gamesworkshop truly buries the lord of the rings/The hobbit strategy battle game.

Far over the space marine statue old
To boardrooms deep
And tables old
We must away ere break of day
To defend our long complained about game of gold

The 40k fans were roaring
On the rhinos height
The fantasy fans were moaning
In the night
The insults were stopping the games chance at making people come to play it dead
They flaming spread
But we didn't give a feth.

That's pretty cute. The Hobbit won't remain a core game after the movies are done, however. There will be nowhere else for GW to go with it. LotR came with a much bigger set of source material, and that only lasted a few years before the bubble burst. I'm pretty sure The Hobbit game isn't in the black at all.

As you can see at the end of the song we hobbit fans don't really care what you lot think.I know its going to end in the specialist games.But I'm sticking with this game till the end.

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

New from Faeit 212

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/10/tyranid-hunters-and-tyranids-to-kick.html

via Bigred over on the Bols Lounge
Tyranids
-Tyranids kick off 2014
-An emphasis on making EVERY unit in the codex viable this time around
-The army rules and theme are focused on adaptability of unit abilities and inter-unit synergy
-Emphasis on model releases will be to get out all the missing models in the previous codex
-Look for a small number of highly specialized new units to shore up 6th edition deficiencies in the army
-A new unseen big bug kit is among these

Tyranid-hunters
-Ultramarine Tyranic War Veteran Supplemental codex is the next supplemental book coming, to tie into the release and to provide worthy foes for the hive-fleets.
-BOTH digital and physical versions out in Q1 2014

All units viable? I'm sure GW THINKS that will happen but in practice sounds like a pipe dream. Still would be nice to finally buy a pyrovore.

**Bloodhorror**

I Will not be happy if GW decide to bring out a Space Marine Supplement for the Tyranid Release....

**I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly**

All that stuff about tyranids is just so vague and wishy-washy that it may very well be true - or not - the source is just throwign some bull out there to get attention. Nothing specific at all.

**Kroothawk**

via Bigred over on the Bols Lounge
Tyranids
-Tyranids kick off 2014
-An emphasis on making EVERY unit in the codex viable this time around
-The army rules and theme are focused on adaptability of unit abilities and inter-unit synergy
-Emphasis on model releases will be to get out all the missing models in the previous codex
-Look for a small number of highly specialized new units to shore up 6th edition deficiencies in the army
-A new unseen big bug kit is among these

Tyranid-hunters
-Ultramarine Tyranic War Veteran Supplemental codex is the next supplemental book coming, to tie into the release and to provide worthy foes for the hive-fleets.
-BOTH digital and physical versions out in Q1 2014

And here the updated rumours for Orks, IG and Space Wolves:

-Orks kick off 2014
-An emphasis on making EVERY unit in the codex viable this time around
-The army rules and theme are focused on adaptability of unit abilities and inter-unit synergy
-Emphasis on model releases will be to get out all the missing models in the previous codex
-Look for a small number of highly specialized new units to shore up 6th edition deficiencies in the army
-A new unseen big kit is among these

-IG kick off 2014
-An emphasis on making EVERY unit in the codex viable this time around
-The army rules and theme are focused on adaptability of unit abilities and inter-unit synergy
-Emphasis on model releases will be to get out all the missing models in the previous codex
-Look for a small number of highly specialized new units to shore up 6th edition deficiencies in the army
-A new unseen big kit is among these

-Space Wolves kick off 2014
-An emphasis on making EVERY unit in the codex viable this time around
-The army rules and theme are focused on adaptability of unit abilities and inter-unit synergy
-Emphasis on model releases will be to get out all the missing models in the previous codex
-Look for a small number of highly specialized new units to shore up 6th edition deficiencies in the army
-A new unseen big kit is among these

**Vhalyar**

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
All units viable? I'm sure GW THINKS that will happen but in practice sounds like a pipe dream. Still would be nice to finally buy a pyrovore.

Hilarious. It's so nondescript. As a note, don't forget that the last time Bigred posted a rumor, he paraphrased Stickmonkey without mentioning him. And we all know what garbage Stickmonkey likes to spew.

**Redemption**

Kroot, you forgot to mention the Ork-Hunter supplement for BA, IG-Hunter supplement for 'Nids and SW-Hunter supplement for CSM to provide worthy foes.