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 ferret61 wrote:

Sikamikanic0 wrote:
i really hote nids with the new codex get very cheap... i for once want to play a super swarm army!!

hah your funny. GW reducing their prices is a blasphemy to the emprah

Maybe he meant in points?

I'm not impressed with the HG.

The proportions look way off to me.

Much prefer the metal ones.

Really liking those Hive Guard. Do we know if it's a dual kit?

Puscifer wrote:
I'm not impressed with the HG.

The proportions look way off to me.

Much prefer the metal ones.

Said someone who regretfully spent too much on them.

It's a tilted shot from a magazine using a cell phone camera.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Really liking those Hive Guard. Do we know if it's a dual kit?

It is very very 99% likely that it is a dual kit with Tyrant Guard. That being said, it is not officially confirmed yet.


Weren't we supposed to see new pictures of the Warriors today?

Even if it's not a dual kit with Tyrant Guard, it seems like it would be a rather straightforward conversion to just add Scything Talons.

Then again, Tyrant Guard (cruuently) also have the options for Lash Whips and Rending Talons.

Seems comparable to the recent Eldar Wraithguard and Bluemarine Chunkymarine boxed sets. Melee configuration with different left hands along with two choices of rifle-like ranged weapons.

Then again, if GW doesn't offer all the options, they'll either take it away from the Codex or risk other companies taking their niche.

Now here's a thought, Hive Guard are a popular option in the current book, so many Nid players will have some/enough already, and also have a new kit imminent.

What will GW do with the Nerf bat?

 azreal13 wrote:
Now here's a thought, Hive Guard are a popular option in the current book, so many Nid players will have some/enough already, and also have a new kit imminent.

What will GW do with the Nerf bat?

Probably the same thing they did with the Eldar Codex. Leave all the popular units powerful while all the sub-par units remain unviable. Nothing changes. The Hive Guard are getting new "Triceraripperdactyl Thrower" weapons, so there's something new for people to buy.

The question remains whether the Tyranids' new giant gigamonster Crabbyfex will be a must-have like the Tau or an ugly bastardization of both aesthetics and gameplay viability like the Eldar.

I'm not a Nid player, but I would be happy to see a return to the old Ork mechanic of "transport capacity: as many as you can balance on the model, if they physically fall off, the they take a hit,"

Not sure I like the forward placement of the supporting arm. I think the pose of the current model is cooler.

 azreal13 wrote:
Now here's a thought, Hive Guard are a popular option in the current book, so many Nid players will have some/enough already, and also have a new kit imminent.

What will GW do with the Nerf bat?

Literally every player in the history of 40k owns enough Tactical Marines, but they got a new kit anyway. And guess what? It sold like crazy.

New/better models with more options in plastic will always sell, no matter how many people own of the old ones.

What if they actually just got rid of the Tyrant Guard and made it to where the Hive Tyrant could have Hive Guard with him instead?

Just roll the two units into one unit. This would make the rumors of Hive Guard being a kit by itself very possible.

 brassangel wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Now here's a thought, Hive Guard are a popular option in the current book, so many Nid players will have some/enough already, and also have a new kit imminent.

What will GW do with the Nerf bat?

Literally every player in the history of 40k owns enough Tactical Marines, but they got a new kit anyway. And guess what? It sold like crazy.

Citation needed. I'd not argue it will have done well, but I haven't bought any, nor do intend to, I'm not actively playing my Marines just now, but when I get around to updating I will just buy the relevant bits I need/want.

New/better models with more options in plastic will always sell, no matter how many people own of the old ones.

Again, while I agree it will generate a spike, obviously of sufficient numbers to warrant the investment, personally I would only buy more if they were much nicer, radically overhauled in size or I had wanted more anyway, but the conversion to plastic made a previously cost prohibitive choice more affordable.

Can't honestly say these would press any of those buttons for me, but I concede that's subjective.

So it looks as though no Warrior pics emerged today. I wonder if there's a delay, certain dewds couldn't get the pics from their sources or what.

 azreal13 wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Now here's a thought, Hive Guard are a popular option in the current book, so many Nid players will have some/enough already, and also have a new kit imminent.

What will GW do with the Nerf bat?

Literally every player in the history of 40k owns enough Tactical Marines, but they got a new kit anyway. And guess what? It sold like crazy.

Citation needed. I'd not argue it will have done well, but I haven't bought any, nor do intend to, I'm not actively playing my Marines just now, but when I get around to updating I will just buy the relevant bits I need/want.

New/better models with more options in plastic will always sell, no matter how many people own of the old ones.

Again, while I agree it will generate a spike, obviously of sufficient numbers to warrant the investment, personally I would only buy more if they were much nicer, radically overhauled in size or I had wanted more anyway, but the conversion to plastic made a previously cost prohibitive choice more affordable.

Can't honestly say these would press any of those buttons for me, but I concede that's subjective.

No citations necessary. Certainly not on a forum. Also, what one player does or doesn't do won't reveal the trend. Most of the buyers aren't vocal; most of those who are vocal are people who complain about the business.

I know of 11 different store owners who couldn't keep the new Tac box in stock, despite GW's propensity for over-producing Space Marines (while under-producing the entire Tau range, for example). 4 other store owners sold them well (and still are), but haven't been bled dry like the others. Of the Troops/Core kits produced in 2013, Space Marines Tactical Squads will likely be the #1 seller by year's end, despite only having a few months.

It doesn't matter if people have a lot of them, or if it was relatively new before. New stuff sells, especially when it's plastic. Even the Centurions have sold well, despite the internet's initial complaints about them. It shows that GW knows how to sell their stuff better than the internet opinion can drive sales away.

It's not really subjective, it's just numbers.

I fully expect new Hive Guard and/or Warriors to sell well. Gaunts would too. New stuff will move, plain and simple. Even with ridiculous prices. The one nice thing is that you don't HAVE to buy new stuff because GW isn't overhauling the general aesthetic so much that the older models are unusable. Mixing and matching can also be fun with armies like Tyranids and Orks, which lend themselves to high customization.

It doesn't matter if people have a lot of them, or if it was relatively new before. New stuff sells, especially when it's plastic. Even the Centurions have sold well, despite the internet's initial complaints about them. It shows that GW knows how to sell their stuffbetter than the internet opinion can drive sales away. Unless they're trying to sell mutilators or warhammer fantasy battle that is.

It's not really subjective, it's just numbers.

I fixed the quote for you.

 Kirasu wrote:

It doesn't matter if people have a lot of them, or if it was relatively new before. New stuff sells, especially when it's plastic. Even the Centurions have sold well, despite the internet's initial complaints about them. It shows that GW knows how to sell their stuffbetter than the internet opinion can drive sales away. Unless they're trying to sell mutilators or warhammer fantasy battle that is.

It's not really subjective, it's just numbers.

I fixed the quote for you.

Mutilators weren't plastic, and didn't exist before, so it really doesn't fit what I was saying at all.

Warhammer Fantasy has been in trouble since 8th edition launched. It didn't receive the massive release support 40k did with 6th. GW has admitted as much, and have since tried to play catch up. It was their own fault Warmachine passed WHFB when it never should have. Again, this doesn't really fit or refute what I was saying.

You didn't "fix" anything, you just made it sound dumber than I normally would anyway.

 brassangel wrote:


Said someone who regretfully spent too much on them.

It's a tilted shot from a magazine using a cell phone camera.

Why is this? Does nobody own a bloody scanner or printer copier these days?

Every time we see one of the 'I have my WD sitting at home. HAHAHA!' shots I just have to wonder at this.

I was rather looking forward to seeing the new warriors they where the first models I ever saw which got me into both 40k and tyranids. :/

 brassangel wrote:

It's a tilted shot from a magazine using a cell phone camera.

It's a shot of the model box, the shrink-wrap is clearly visible. Chances are that the WD hasn't leaked quite yet.

What get's me is that the image is perfectly cropped to cut out any detail, all we see are the models. Between that and the original supplier of the image claiming he will release the new Warriors next, it makes me wonder if GW is orchestrating this, starting with remakes of existing units before showing any new stuff.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 ferret61 wrote:

Sikamikanic0 wrote:
i really hote nids with the new codex get very cheap... i for once want to play a super swarm army!!

hah your funny. GW reducing their prices is a blasphemy to the emprah

Maybe he meant in points?

hahahahha ofc i ment in points!!!

i have 150 gaunts and 100 genestealers and i want to be viable without monstrus cretures!!

and i want to be able to use them aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall

Da krimson barun wrote:

Sikamikanic0 wrote:
i really hote nids with the new codex get very cheap... i for once want to play a super swarm army!!

You have no idea what company we are dealing with do you?GAMESWORKSHOP.And to them cheap/decrease=HERESY BLAM!Unless your talking about points.Decrease in points =More being sold.

I believe he meant points, which is very likely, everything gets points reductions on the release of a new dex, how else will gw get you to pay out a little more every time your favourite army is redone :p

 Mantle wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:

Sikamikanic0 wrote:
i really hote nids with the new codex get very cheap... i for once want to play a super swarm army!!

You have no idea what company we are dealing with do you?GAMESWORKSHOP.And to them cheap/decrease=HERESY BLAM!Unless your talking about points.Decrease in points =More being sold.

I believe he meant points, which is very likely, everything gets points reductions on the release of a new dex, how else will gw get you to pay out a little more every time your favourite army is redone :p

Right?

The funny thing is, most players clamor for lower points costs. I haven't figured out why, because it means buying more models (which they will then complain about).

You'd think everyone would be fine if all the armies went the way of Grey Knights or Ogres where there are far fewer models required.

 brassangel wrote:

 Mantle wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:

Sikamikanic0 wrote:
i really hote nids with the new codex get very cheap... i for once want to play a super swarm army!!

You have no idea what company we are dealing with do you?GAMESWORKSHOP.And to them cheap/decrease=HERESY BLAM!Unless your talking about points.Decrease in points =More being sold.

I believe he meant points, which is very likely, everything gets points reductions on the release of a new dex, how else will gw get you to pay out a little more every time your favourite army is redone :p

Right?

The funny thing is, most players clamor for lower points costs. I haven't figured out why, because it means buying more models (which they will then complain about).

You'd think everyone would be fine if all the armies went the way of Grey Knights or Ogres where there are far fewer models required.

"I want cheaper units (in points), so I can have more models per point, so my army becomes more powerful!"
"What? Games Workshop lowered all of the points? The fething bastards! This is a cheap idea to get us to buy more models!"

While it's unlikely that I'll be dropping any money to bring my Tyranids out of mothballs, they were still one of my first loves. So I'm excited to see them getting new kits and new models. And I hope they get a rock solid list.

What's everyone's opinions on characters being unique per detachment? Personally I disagree with the Swarmlord going this way. Others sure, of course Old One Eye or Deathleapers en masse are effective, but you reduce the specialness of the Swarmlord by doimg this. The Swarmlord is ultimate and final, and as close to self-serving as can get.

-Shrike- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

 Mantle wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:

Sikamikanic0 wrote:
i really hote nids with the new codex get very cheap... i for once want to play a super swarm army!!

You have no idea what company we are dealing with do you?GAMESWORKSHOP.And to them cheap/decrease=HERESY BLAM!Unless your talking about points.Decrease in points =More being sold.

I believe he meant points, which is very likely, everything gets points reductions on the release of a new dex, how else will gw get you to pay out a little more every time your favourite army is redone :p

Right?

The funny thing is, most players clamor for lower points costs. I haven't figured out why, because it means buying more models (which they will then complain about).

You'd think everyone would be fine if all the armies went the way of Grey Knights or Ogres where there are far fewer models required.

"I want cheaper units (in points), so I can have more models per point, so my army becomes more powerful!"
"What? Games Workshop lowered all of the points? The fething bastards! This is a cheap idea to get us to buy more models!"

I wasn't complaining about it, I love the fact that when my favourite army is redone I can buy something shiny and new and still fit it somewhere in to my points range but at the same time it is also a good way for gw to earn a bit more cash! it is a business after all

 Mantle wrote:
it is also a good way for gw to earn a bit more cash! it is a business after all

You must be new here...

On the internet, we all hate GeeDub and complain about their penny pinching ways!

 Bloodhorror wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
it is also a good way for gw to earn a bit more cash! it is a business after all

You must be new here...

On the internet, we all hate GeeDub and complain about their penny pinching ways!

Nope. We are supposed to do that but most people tolerate the prices and don´t complain that much.

I've not been paying attention then

 Kroothawk wrote:

Well, here it is, and Larry Vela is one of the two BOLS rumour posters, responsible for the blog, Bigred for the forum:

I did not know that he had anything to do with BoLS. Oh, well, then we can probably discount the BoLS rumour of Hive Guard getting an AA gun (though not the one about them being a combo kit with Tyrant Guard because, well, duh!).