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If the codex is coming on the 7th (and I know it is a big if) how long before GW announces officially?

They announce new stuff in the week leading up to the last Saturday in the month (when pre-orders go up and the White Dwarf is officially released), so we'll see what is going to be released in approximately 2 weeks. That's when pictures from the new White Dwarf usually start circling the internet as well.

DufenDorgen wrote:
I think they should get better at doing what they do. You like shooting? Evolve stealth. You like fighting? Evolve better weapon skill. You got big guns? Evolve better toughness. Seriously going that route for at least SOME units would be a fine way of customizing a unit and have it do a job, paying for it of course. tyranids would be the only army to get away with something like that, I mean gak, there are over 20 different species of hormagaunts with just such traits.

This is exactly how I feel.
How awesome would it be if the Nids would have something akin to the dark eldar combat drugs.
Or even better would be a special rule giving the entire army a bonus depending upon wich army you're facing signifying their constant evolution:
Tau = Charge range is increased with 3" to combat their long range firepower.
Eldar = SitW increased with another D6"
Dark eldar = Feel no Pain on 6+
Orks = Every troop brood receives 3 extra models
Chaos = SitW deals D3 S4 AP- hits in shooting phase to enemy units within 18"
Necrons = Synapse creatures have regeneration
Imperial guard = Stealth for all troop broods if outside 18"
Marines = Rippers and Gaunts have ES like necron swarms
Other Nids = All units may ignore instinctive behavior

I'm not saying it has to be exactly like this, and it probably will be very unbalanced like this, but it would be awesome.
What do you guys think?

Personally I think having Preferred Army or Hatred for all units spawned during the middle of the game, to represent the new nroods being adapted to fighting the enemy and then sent to the warzone.

Zookie wrote:If the codex is coming on the 7th (and I know it is a big if) how long before GW announces officially?

White Dwarf is out on the last Saturday of the month (the 30th in this case). Typically WD articles and pics start leaking in the week leading up to that, so expect more info around the 25th if we don't get any sooner.

badkamer1 wrote:
This is exactly how I feel.
How awesome would it be if the Nids would have something akin to the dark eldar combat drugs.
Or even better would be a special rule giving the entire army a bonus depending upon wich army you're facing signifying their constant evolution:
....
What do you guys think?

It's a nice idea, but GW have been determined to simplify special rules of late, and keeping track of several different rules like that (plus special cases like Allies) would be considered too confusing by them.

I think Nids will follow the recent trend of getting a single army-wide special rule against everyone. After Eldar got the ability to run+shoot I'm almost certain Nids will be able to run+assault.

 xttz wrote:
After Eldar got the ability to run+shoot I'm almost certain Nids will be able to run+assault.

Doubtful. The difference between running and shooting and running and assaulting is that 6th Edition 40K loves you for gun-lining and shooting everything off the board, but hates you for trying to make any sort of melee list that isn't FMC spam or jetbikes.

GW has gone through great pains to nerf any attempt at an early-game mass assault; that includes turning Vanguard Veteran's Heroic Intervention into crap. It isn't likely that they'll give one army this incredible, literally game breaking mechanic after they've done literally everything they can to make life harder for melee-based armies. Frankly, considering what they did to Heroic Intervention, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up removing the Ymgarls' ability to assault after infiltrating and replace it with something like shrouded for the first turn they're on the board, or something.

Wouldn't really match the fluff anyway. Tyranids aren't known for being "quick" fighters- that title goes to the Eldar. So if anyone would be run+assaulting it should probably be the Dark Eldar. Tyranids are a swarm race, who win their battles with attrition and never-ending advances, not lightning attacks. If we're lucky, we'll see some rules to reflect that "oh my gawd, they're everywhere" feeling. Like, outflank out the ass. Some overwatch prevention would be nice. We'll probably be seeing the useless "fear" rule being thrown around a lot, etc.

 xttz wrote:

Zookie wrote:If the codex is coming on the 7th (and I know it is a big if) how long before GW announces officially?

White Dwarf is out on the last Saturday of the month (the 30th in this case). Typically WD articles and pics start leaking in the week leading up to that, so expect more info around the 25th if we don't get any sooner.

Is Thanksgiving going to mess up this release date, since it is two days before? I know holidays have pushed it back before.

My wild guess is nothing is leaking because there is nothing, only this wannabe duokit. Everything else is not remotely done or in "places where it could leak". Assuming this Smaug rumor is true and having GW's managment genius in mind production and distribution looks currently like this: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1073756/crosby.gif . And because everything is so messy the lid is extra tight on it.

 Whumbachumba wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Zookie wrote:If the codex is coming on the 7th (and I know it is a big if) how long before GW announces officially?

White Dwarf is out on the last Saturday of the month (the 30th in this case). Typically WD articles and pics start leaking in the week leading up to that, so expect more info around the 25th if we don't get any sooner.

Is Thanksgiving going to mess up this release date, since it is two days before? I know holidays have pushed it back before.

We care not for thanksgiving in the UK, so I doubt it.

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Is Thanksgiving going to mess up this release date, since it is two days before? I know holidays have pushed it back before.

GW once made a release on 4th July, that's how much they care

Alright, assuming that the Nids "official" release date is December 7, 2013, here's a timeline (going backwards) of what we've seen in the past with codex releases:

7 Dec 2013 - Street date: codex and new kits for sale

30 Nov 2013 - White Dwarf public release: Battle Report and photos of new kits

23 Nov 2013 - GW plants Youtube "teaser" video showing a cryptic message and the date 30-11-13. Possibly with nid silhouettes.

Roughly 17-25 Nov 2013 - White dwarf "leaked" cell phone pictures appear of the new kits. People complain about the sculpts and how terrible they look, until they see the models in person.


So basically, we are just over a week away from the ubiquitous "Youtube Teaser" video that GW usually posts a week ahead of the White Dwarf release. Barring any more leaked photos of kits or new models, or "playtest rule rumors", if we don't see this youtube vid by the 25th of November I would not expect to see a Tyranid release in December.

So now... We Wait. Maybe this weekend will see another "drop" like the hive guard did last weekend.

Exalted!

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Alright, assuming that the RUMORED ARMY "official" release date is FIRST SATURDAY OF NEXT MONTH, here's a timeline (going backwards) of what we've seen in the past with codex releases:

FIRST SATURDAY OF NEXT MONTH - Street date: codex and new kits for sale

7 DAYS BEFORE - White Dwarf public release: Battle Report and photos of new kits

14 DAYS BEFORE - GW plants Youtube "teaser" video showing a cryptic message and the date 7 DAYS BEFORE. Possibly with RUMORED ARMY silhouettes.

20-23 DAYS BEFORE - White dwarf "leaked" cell phone pictures appear of the new kits. People complain about the sculpts and how terrible they look, until they see the models in person.

I think that we should keep this as a boiler plate for every rumor thread.

Possible rule could be a LD test if failed the charged unit can't fire over watch. I was expecting the run + charge thing though

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Alright, assuming that the Nids "official" release date is December 7, 2013, here's a timeline (going backwards) of what we've seen in the past with codex releases:

Roughly 17-25 Nov 2013 - White dwarf "leaked" cell phone pictures appear of the new kits. People complain about the sculpts and how terrible they look, until they see the models in person.

Hmm...should we prep the kneejerk, hyperbolic model comments now?

"That model looks like it was sculpted by a chimpanzee out of moose stool."

"Ugh, I just threw up in somebody else's mouth."

"WORST. LOOKING. ANYTHING. EVUH."

If the name "karkanos" is in anyway accurate for a new kit, i predict nid players everywhere will start yelling the phrase, "Release the KRAKEN!" almost as often as ork players Waaugh!.

I was yelling that before there was even a model...

The Girlfriend was never amused though....

White Dwarf pictures seem to be already leaking:
http://40kwarzone.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/some-army-bundle-pics.html#more

No mention of 'Nids, so a December release is very doubtful.

 Redemption wrote:
White Dwarf pictures seem to be already leaking:
http://40kwarzone.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/some-army-bundle-pics.html#more

No mention of 'Nids, so a December release is very doubtful.

Those products are releasing on the 16th, aren't they? That's the mid Nov stuff, or is this the Dec stuff?

I thought the bundles release 11/16 as well.

Just a cover photo of the White Dwarf should reveal what's in store... But if those shots are from the DEC issue...hmm.

I'm SURE they were from the November Issue...

 Redemption wrote:
White Dwarf pictures seem to be already leaking:
http://40kwarzone.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/some-army-bundle-pics.html#more

No mention of 'Nids, so a December release is very doubtful.

Those are from the little gift guide that came in this month's White Dwarf.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 xttz wrote:
After Eldar got the ability to run+shoot I'm almost certain Nids will be able to run+assault.

Doubtful. The difference between running and shooting and running and assaulting is that 6th Edition 40K loves you for gun-lining and shooting everything off the board, but hates you for trying to make any sort of melee list that isn't FMC spam or jetbikes.

GW has gone through great pains to nerf any attempt at an early-game mass assault; that includes turning Vanguard Veteran's Heroic Intervention into crap. It isn't likely that they'll give one army this incredible, literally game breaking mechanic after they've done literally everything they can to make life harder for melee-based armies. Frankly, considering what they did to Heroic Intervention, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up removing the Ymgarls' ability to assault after infiltrating and replace it with something like shrouded for the first turn they're on the board, or something.

So, what you're saying is they added a bit of common sense to the game? What was GW thinking!!! In the future all of these high tech guns should be nothing more than cool looking clubs to beat your enemy with as you run through a hail of gun fire only lose one or two models. That way only the most cunning of generals can claim victory (by lining up 180 orks and move them closer to the enemy for two turns then on the third turn charge with every model and win)!

Ah, mea culpa. Never mind that then.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
If the name "karkanos" is in anyway accurate for a new kit, i predict nid players everywhere will start yelling the phrase, "Release the KRAKEN!" almost as often as ork players Waaugh!.

Der isn't a U in WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.Silly fish ead!

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Alright, assuming that the Nids "official" release date is December 7, 2013, here's a timeline (going backwards) of what we've seen in the past with codex releases:

7 Dec 2013 - Street date: codex and new kits for sale

30 Nov 2013 - White Dwarf public release: Battle Report and photos of new kits

23 Nov 2013 - GW plants Youtube "teaser" video showing a cryptic message and the date 30-11-13. Possibly with nid silhouettes. And lots of ominous screams

Roughly 17-25 Nov 2013 - White dwarf "leaked" cell phone pictures appear of the new kits. People complain about the sculpts and how terrible they look, until they see the models in person.


So basically, we are just over a week away from the ubiquitous "Youtube Teaser" video that GW usually posts a week ahead of the White Dwarf release. Barring any more leaked photos of kits or new models, or "playtest rule rumors", if we don't see this youtube vid by the 25th of November I would not expect to see a Tyranid release in December.

So now... We Wait. Maybe this weekend will see another "drop" like the hive guard did last weekend.

You missed the most important part, the screams! Because the screams lead to skullz, and we all need MOAR SKULLZ EVERWAH

Just saw this, a repost of something on Warseer.
http://40kwarzone.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tyranid-rumour-watch-info-on-warrior-box.html

Via Kaelarr over on Warseer:

Its right it isnt a dual kit. Also it looks like they are on 60mm bases. They got the broadside treatment....Its hard to judge as ive just seen the front of the box, but they do look bulkier and more squat than they did.

Warriors going up to 60mm bases? What happens to the Carnifex if this is true?

I seriously doubt warriors go up to 60mm. 50mm would be too big to begin with. Tyrant and Hive guard barely fit on their base, so I can understand them going up. Warriors on the other hand just don't have the bulk.

Warriors could be made ALOT Bigger then if they are going up to 60mm...

I doubt it, but hey, they've got Biovores on 60mm Bases now as well...