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Well, technically... NONE of these are real, considering it's a fictional universe. On that basis, nothing wrong having a good ol' fashioned debate about it.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
Saying the hivemind is powerful is like saying the internet is powerful. It controls a vast number of systems, but it can't get up and punch me in the face.

Going with that logic, the Internet can arrange for a thousand 4chaners to punch you in the face. I think I'd rather have a single Mike Tyson punch than that thousand, however weak they may be individually.

 Super Ready wrote:
Well, technically... NONE of these are real, considering it's a fictional universe. On that basis, nothing wrong having a good ol' fashioned debate about it.

Certainly, but without something substantial to back it up it just seems disingenous to simply assert that Gork and Mork might be less real than Khorne and Tzeentch. It's not like they don't make themselves felt every once in a while. 2nd edition Weirdboys had the Foot of Gork psychic power (or whatever it was called), and Snikrot's ability to re-roll rolls to hit are stated to be a consequence of Mork's patronage, for example.

On that note, don't the WHF orcs have a magic spell that literally sumons a giant foot or hand from the sky call "Hand of (G/M)ork", or "Foot of (G/M)ork?"

 Deadshot wrote:
On that note, don't the WHF orcs have a magic spell that literally sumons a giant foot or hand from the sky call "Hand of (G/M)ork", or "Foot of (G/M)ork?"

There is the Gaze of Mork (given to the Shaman by Mork (or possibly Gork)), Fists of Gork, The Hand of Gork, and Foot of Gork.

I'd go with Khorne. He's the most powerful Chaos God, most of the time at least, and the rulebook says that the 4 greater Chaos Gods are the most powerful and dangerous entities in the warp. As we all know, the warp eats the physical universe for breakfast, therefore Khorne is the most powerful of all.

If we are talking about currently existing beings in the 40k lore... my votes go to the following:

Khorne
The Silent King
Hive Mind
Gork and Mork



Khorne is the most powerful single deity that isn't half-dead (Emprah), shattered (C'tans), defeated (Kharn), etc. He can be rivaled by Tzeentch but the fluff officially states that Khorne is the most powerful Chaos god.

Necron's Silent King gets a vote for me because he is the leader of a race that managed to WIPE OUT the Old Ones and SHATTER C'tans. That's quite impressive. Of course, all the Necron Dynasties are fragmented and Silent King himself may not be as impressive in a duel but the power he could potentially command if he were to unite the Necrons is... astronomical.

Hive Mind.... only tendrils of bugs managed to reach Milky Way and they managed to screw things over pretty badly... any questions?

Okay, I admit.... Gork and Mork aren't POWERFUL like the others... but the fluff says that just like Orks, no other deities may truly defeat them forever. I mean, god(s) that can never die? In a world where gods are shattered, half-dead, defeated and more? Not too shabby me thinks.

 kinratha wrote:
Marbo.

falling that, Hive mind

High five!

Why talk of silly little gods? Vulkan is clearly the superior.

I love you, Nick Kyme.

Didn't Gork or possibly Mork make an axe and try to show off his handy work to Khorne only to find him cowering behind his throne in fear?

I also remember another one where the Emperor sensed Gork and Mork in the Warp and for the first time in his life he felt fear.

Doesn't the Chaos Gods strength come from their worshipers and Humans / Eldar committing acts associated with them? eg. War for Khorne. Which would explain why Gork and Mork are the most powerful having trillions of followers and all.

WHHHAAAAT??? Khorne cowering behind his throne in fear??? Khorne cowers from nothing, the notion of even being scared isn't even possible!!

i sure hope a pack of hungry fleshhounds doesn't come pay you
a visit, but i wouldn't count on it.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

 Zande4 wrote:
Didn't Gork or possibly Mork make an axe and try to show off his handy work to Khorne only to find him cowering behind his throne in fear?

I also remember another one where the Emperor sensed Gork and Mork in the Warp and for the first time in his life he felt fear.

Doesn't the Chaos Gods strength come from their worshipers and Humans / Eldar committing acts associated with them? eg. War for Khorne. Which would explain why Gork and Mork are the most powerful having trillions of followers and all.

All of that stuff is horribly inaccurate.

Chaos Gods get their strength from emotion. Gork and Mork are possibly powered by belief, but the information on them is incredibly vague and mostly hyperbole. Assuming they do exist, they seem to have very little influence in the material world.

I'm going to place my vote assuning no chaotic entities without physical bodies.
And, Void Dragon. Nothing is tougher than the Void Dragon.

Waaaghpower wrote:

And, Void Dragon. Nothing is tougher than the Void Dragon.

 LoneLictor wrote:
Gork and Mork are possibly powered by belief, but the information on them is incredibly vague and mostly hyperbole. Assuming they do exist, they seem to have very little influence in the material world.

What's that based on? Surely if we could ascribe any quotes about Gork and Mork to a character that would be inclined to exaggerate we could reasonably call it hyperbole. But as far as I know, just about every source on the Ork gods we have is from an "outside" 3rd person perspective. As near as I can tell that is as solid a source as we can possibly get about the 40k universe. Where's the argument to support calling it hyperbole? More importantly, why is Gork and Mork fluff hyperbole and not the fluff about every other god or transcendent being in the galaxy?

TiamatRoar wrote:
Khorne is the most powerful.

And yet he cannot even begin to hurt Gork and Mork, where they can abuse him like a bully shoving around a little kid on a playground.

If the Gork and Mork stuff is vague and hyperbolic, I'd point out that the Chaos stuff is worse than vague-- most of it is inherently contradictory in nature (quite possibly specifically due to it being Chaos stuff).

 Melissia wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Khorne is the most powerful.

And yet he cannot even begin to hurt Gork and Mork, where they can abuse him like a bully shoving around a little kid on a playground.

If the Gork and Mork stuff is vague and hyperbolic, I'd point out that the Chaos stuff is worse than vague-- most of it is inherently contradictory in nature (quite possibly specifically due to it being Chaos stuff).

The first part seems like trolling and the second part doesn't even make sense. Compared to the volumes of information about the Chaos Gods Gork and Mork barely get a mention.

Also in the Daemon codex it says that Khorne is revered through all combat in a galaxy swamped with warfare. Orks, Tyranids, Necrons all pay (involuntary) homage to Khorne by the simple act of fighting.

I would say the Hive Mind, as it seems that the Nid swarms are destined to eventually overrun the galaxy.

Um... for the record, someone mis-used the quote tags. It was someone else that said "Khorne is the most powerful", not me. Looks like it was Zaki66 that said that, yet the quote is being mis-attributed to me. I did say he's the most powerful of the Chaos Gods (you can find this on the GW website, for crying out loud) but made it clear that didn't mean he was the most powerful of EVERY god.

...anyways, is Gork and Mork easily beating Khorne actually stated by an omnipotent narrative source, or is that just a legend amongst the Orks that isn't proven to be true? (although arguably, even an "omnipotent narrative source" might be just a legend stated from the point of view of the codex and nothing more).

I don't doubt the possibility that Gork and Mork are so strong that they can beat Khorne in a fight being stated in an official source. Although that other incident brought up about Khorne cowering likely was just made up and either doesn't come from an official source, or was just an ork legend akin to Imperial Guard members claiming that Ciaphus Cain kicked Khorne in the balls. I find the idea that they made Khorne cower behind his throne to be HIGHLY dubious and the poster that posted that must be in error. Khorne's emotion is bravery, It's almost impossible for him to feel fear in the first place even if he wanted to (I say "almost" because the Chaos gods as the fluff portrayed them do seem to be able to access other emotions outside of their domain from time to time, but Khorne COWERING is a very VERY big stretch).

Gork and Mork can beat the Emperor, every C'tan, and all four chaos gods simultaneously and then pile drive Isha and Cegorach into oblivion before rebuilding Khaine, only to smash him apart again.

 Kain wrote:
Gork and Mork can beat the Emperor, every C'tan, and all four chaos gods simultaneously and then pile drive Isha and Cegorach into oblivion before rebuilding Khaine, only to smash him apart again.

Gork and Mork can't rebuild Khaine. Bringing a living thing back into one piece is unorky!

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Gork and Mork can beat the Emperor, every C'tan, and all four chaos gods simultaneously and then pile drive Isha and Cegorach into oblivion before rebuilding Khaine, only to smash him apart again.

Gork and Mork can't rebuild Khaine. Bringing a living thing back into one piece is unorky!

Gork can Choppa the pieces so hard with a chainchoppa with teeth made from planets that they'll rebuild into a fully fledged Khaine only for Mork to show up with a ridiculous shoota that fires minor chaos gods as bullets and dakkas Khaine into pieces again.

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Gork and Mork are described by an omnipotent narrator style section as invincible, belligerent warp entities, which the other gods (including the chaos ones to my understanding) cannot hurt, The most recent description of the Ork gods is as such:

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking and clobbers them with a low blow.
[ Page 15, Codex: Orks, 2008 ]

Similarly, because of the nature of the Ork psyche, they don't feed Khorne with their fighting. They feed Gork and Mork. Orks are almost immune to the draw of Chaos, and corruption is extremely rare among the species, to the point of it being completely and utterly unheard of in-universe (even if it does exist in a few isolated and rare groups).

Hmm, well, the verse style of that narrative doesn't seem like it was made by Orks (otherwise it would have had their orky accent! Although it'd be hilarious if that were a translation of ork legend and the actual legend read "Gork and Mork iz da best of da gods at fightin' and winnin' and can't never lose! Da other gods get nothin' more than a WAAAGH! from them! Gork is kunningly brutal that hits you hard when you arelookin' while Mork is brutally kunnin' and hits you hard when you aren't!" (and then translated into English reads like the flowery prose in the narration).

....but yea, as it is, I don't really see any reason to deny it. Seems like Gork and Mork are definitely more powerful by what we have so far. I suppose it's telling that the Chaos Codexes don't try to present a counterpoint (although admittingly that could just be negligence. It's rare to get viewpoints that don't involve the Imperium in some direction)

TiamatRoar wrote:
Hmm, well, the verse style of that narrative doesn't seem like it was made by Orks (otherwise it would have had their orky accent! Although it'd be hilarious if that were a translation of ork legend and the actual legend read "Gork and Mork iz da best of da gods at fightin' and winnin' and can't never lose! Da other gods get nothin' more than a WAAAGH! from them! Gork is kunningly brutal that hits you hard when you arelookin' while Mork is brutally kunnin' and hits you hard when you aren't!" (and then translated into English reads like the flowery prose in the narration).

....but yea, as it is, I don't really see any reason to deny it. Seems like Gork and Mork are definitely more powerful by what we have so far. I suppose it's telling that the Chaos Codexes don't try to present a counterpoint (although admittingly that could just be negligence. It's rare to get viewpoints that don't involve the Imperium in some direction)

Well, Orks do pretty much outnumber every other faction (Tyranids not included) put together. So if their belief and emotions only fuel Gork and Mork and simple Ork belief can do what it does in the materium, then Gork and Mork's power is probably immeasurable in the immaterium.

not even matt ward could make gork and mork powerful enough to take on khorne.

he would dual wield them and use them like drum sticks to pummle any would be fools challenging his throne as king!!

 Melissia wrote:
Gork and Mork are described by an omnipotent narrator style section as invincible, belligerent warp entities, which the other gods (including the chaos ones to my understanding) cannot hurt, The most recent description of the Ork gods is as such:

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking and clobbers them with a low blow.
[ Page 15, Codex: Orks, 2008 ]

Similarly, because of the nature of the Ork psyche, they don't feed Khorne with their fighting. They feed Gork and Mork. Orks are almost immune to the draw of Chaos, and corruption is extremely rare among the species, to the point of it being completely and utterly unheard of in-universe (even if it does exist in a few isolated and rare groups).

Yet in the 6e rulebook the Chaos Gods are referred to as the "undisputed masters" of the Warp.

The thing about Gork and Mork is, they're ultimately powerful but have no domain. So unlike the 4 Chaos gods who might lose in a fistfight but control vast swaths of the ether realm, every last ounce of orky power is funnelled into Gork and Mork. This leaves you with two warriors who can't be beat... But also have little sway in the goings on of the universe.

Marrrbbboooooooooooooooooooo

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Gork and Mork are described by an omnipotent narrator style section as invincible, belligerent warp entities, which the other gods (including the chaos ones to my understanding) cannot hurt, The most recent description of the Ork gods is as such:

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking and clobbers them with a low blow.
[ Page 15, Codex: Orks, 2008 ]

Similarly, because of the nature of the Ork psyche, they don't feed Khorne with their fighting. They feed Gork and Mork. Orks are almost immune to the draw of Chaos, and corruption is extremely rare among the species, to the point of it being completely and utterly unheard of in-universe (even if it does exist in a few isolated and rare groups).

Yet in the 6e rulebook the Chaos Gods are referred to as the "undisputed masters" of the Warp.

That would be because Gork and Mork don't appear to want to do much in the warp other than giggle at each others dick punches and fart jokes, while occasionally lending power to Orks in the physical realm. The Chaos Gods truly make the Warp their own, and continually fight over it. Anyone entering the Warp is going to encounter beings of Chaos, not of Gork or Mork.

The Chaos Gods are the undisputed masters of the Warp because the most powerful entities really just don't give a feth.