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I know many people use the sideways vehicle trick to gain an extra 2-3" over the starting line on turn 1, but can this same thing be legally used other situations, such a outflank? I'm bookless at work, and fuzzy on the exact wording, I feel like it says the model comes onto the edge of the table and then makes it's normal movement. Does this mean that it has to come onto the edge facing in the direction it wants to travel? (like zooming flyers) Or can it start from the edge sideways, pivot, then start counting movement?

NO reason why it couldnt do that.

There's no requirement that vehicles drive "forward." You can do your pivot at the end of the movement, instead of the beginning. This might be easier to visualise for your opponent., rather than pivoting while part of the vehicle is hanging off the board.

I would re-read p124 if I were you. It specifically states that all models move on from reserves as if they were positioned just off the board. Aspect changing shenanigans would be prevented by this.

 Flinty wrote:
I would re-read p124 if I were you. It specifically states that all models move on from reserves as if they were positioned just off the board. Aspect changing shenanigans would be prevented by this.

No they wouldn't. What does being positioned just off the board have to so with pivoting before moving?

 Flinty wrote:
I would re-read p124 if I were you. It specifically states that all models move on from reserves as if they were positioned just off the board. Aspect changing shenanigans would be prevented by this.

A tank positioned just off the board and turned sideways is still positioned just off the board. The above rule changes nothing in this argument.

Id call BS if you did that to me, thats obviously exploitation of the rules.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
Id call BS if you did that to me, thats obviously exploitation of the rules.

No it isnt. This has been a feature of the vehicle movement rules since 3rd edition - 1998. The studio is fully aware of this.

I would be inclined to move a vehicle forward onto the table ; it has to move onto the board, and pivoting does not count as movement.

Pivoting *alone* does not count as movement; there is no reason they cannot start sideways, start movement, and turn.

The rulebook states that they must move onto the table, as if they were positioned just off of it; if pivoting by itself does not count as moving, then pivoting would not be a legal way to get the model onto the table.

 Mannahnin wrote:
pivoting would not be a legal way to get the model onto the table.

I think they're talking about positioning off-table sideways, moving on sideways, then pivoting to face forward.

 Mannahnin wrote:
The rulebook states that they must move onto the table, as if they were positioned just off of it; if pivoting by itself does not count as moving, then pivoting would not be a legal way to get the model onto the table.

Pivoting alone does not count as movement.
The vehicle is not pivoting alone - it's pivoting and them moving.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
I would re-read p124 if I were you. It specifically states that all models move on from reserves as if they were positioned just off the board. Aspect changing shenanigans would be prevented by this.

A tank positioned just off the board and turned sideways is still positioned just off the board. The above rule changes nothing in this argument.

But if any part of the tank moves further onto the board than its permitted movement it is breaching the movement rules as stated on p10. There is even a little call out box showing what is correct and incorrect.

Flinty - incorrect, you measure from one place and one place only. Displacement is NOT movement

nosferatu1001 wrote:Pivoting *alone* does not count as movement; there is no reason they cannot start sideways, start movement, and turn.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
The rulebook states that they must move onto the table, as if they were positioned just off of it; if pivoting by itself does not count as moving, then pivoting would not be a legal way to get the model onto the table.

Pivoting alone does not count as movement.
The vehicle is not pivoting alone - it's pivoting and them moving.

It does not really matter as you can simply pivot at the end of the move instead but... technically you are not permitted to 'pivot' onto the board. You are only permitted to 'move' onto it. Placing it just off the board edge sideways and pivoting places part of the vehicle on the board without moving. That is not permitted as you must 'move' onto the board.

To properly cheese your way into some extra movement you'd need to move it in sideways from the board edge and then pivot.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Flinty - incorrect, you measure from one place and one place only. Displacement is NOT movement

But coming in from reserves the only point you can possibly measure from is the first bit of the vehicle that comes onto the board. You can't measure from the centre of the vehicle because that is off in limbo somewhere.

No, you measure the side of the vehicle; i never said the centre.

 Abandon wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Pivoting *alone* does not count as movement; there is no reason they cannot start sideways, start movement, and turn.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
The rulebook states that they must move onto the table, as if they were positioned just off of it; if pivoting by itself does not count as moving, then pivoting would not be a legal way to get the model onto the table.

Pivoting alone does not count as movement.
The vehicle is not pivoting alone - it's pivoting and them moving.

It does not really matter as you can simply pivot at the end of the move instead but... technically you are not permitted to 'pivot' onto the board. You are only permitted to 'move' onto it. Placing it just off the board edge sideways and pivoting places part of the vehicle on the board without moving. That is not permitted as you must 'move' onto the board.

To properly cheese your way into some extra movement you'd need to move it in sideways from the board edge and then pivot.

Pivoting is part of moving. The vehicle is moving onto the table.

Personally I'd measure from the board edge to the furthest point on the hull.
If the vehicle can move 12" (for example), I'd say that it can't end up more than 12" from the entry point.

And it doesn't.
There's no difference between this and deploying sideways.

 marv335 wrote:
Personally I'd measure from the board edge to the furthest point on the hull.
If the vehicle can move 12" (for example), I'd say that it can't end up more than 12" from the entry point.

MOvement (in 40k terms) != displacement.