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To quote one of our readers:

This Mandlebaum is clearly mentally ill if he thinks that people forget things so easily.

-->; Posted up a renewed warning on Facebook & Co.

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:
I've already sent it back to the GW Legal guys from multiple emails with the screen caps showing he is still selling them.
Hopefully they bust him this time. It's pathetic that he thinks he can blatantly violate the IP without consequences within the US.

Did he though? He didn't create the Titan, some other guy did. Which means that the other guy may be the one guilty of IP infringement. DM is almost certainly guilty of fraud (and definitely guilty of attempted fraud).

I'm not saying that it shouldn't have been done, but trying to involve GW may have unintended consequences.

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:

If the Chapterhouse lawsuit has taught us anything is that GW is a legal powerhouse who will still win a lawsuit even when they lose on some points.

You REALLY didn't pay attention if that is what you took away from the Chapterhouse lawsuit.

I suggest that you read the thread here in the Discussion forum. It has lots of good info on what actually happened in the suit.

~Eric

The other guy was not selling anything, it was purely for himself, so no, it's not infringing as it Is not business.

Minor thing, but the surname is misspelled in the thread title, not impossible it might evade Googling if someone were digging for info.

 Taarnak wrote:

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:
I've already sent it back to the GW Legal guys from multiple emails with the screen caps showing he is still selling them.
Hopefully they bust him this time. It's pathetic that he thinks he can blatantly violate the IP without consequences within the US.

Did he though? He didn't create the Titan, some other guy did. Which means that the other guy may be the one guilty of IP infringement. DM is almost certainly guilty of fraud (and definitely guilty of attempted fraud).

I'm not saying that it shouldn't have been done, but trying to involve GW may have unintended consequences.

The original creating party of the titan mentioned in the opening post that Daniel was ripping off/copying/had stolen documents of was made for personal use only. The creator never went into production nor retail and thus isn't infringing on GW's copyright in the least. Heck GW openly encouraged kit bashing and custom building of models in their games so they'd not even want to take any legal action. They'd only take legal action if the person actually put into production and went commercial.

That said the Chapterhouse situation proves that the whole area of infringement on that level is a very sticky area of law.

Honestly I doubt Daniel has a titan - he might be able to kit bash something, but I doubt he'd cast one up. It's likely he hoped that the original interest in the titan would have sparked a wave of eager fans to pre-order with him; hoping to get and secure the money before the scam got caught out or brought into the light. That it was caught so early basically meant he had nothing to even try and recover with - he might be trying to kit-bash something together in the background to restore some faith; but at the present I suspect most of his "customers" are just people egging him on to incriminate himself further or just to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

It was a fast move to get quick cash; just like bringing Resin Forge back for Games Day was - this might show that Daniel really is in some financial difficulties and is getting really despirate for income - however working anything out about him is often impossible; the guy has layers of lies built over yet more lies.

His name is Daniel, not David. And it's not very easy to kitbash a Titan, let alone a bigger number of them.

If he really wanted to bait potential customers he should have had actual photo material of his own, like that he was clearly setting himself up for trouble. I mean come on, how long do DIY Titan pics stay undiscovered if they are posted in forums and such?

So yeah, I'd agree on the "quick cash", not forgetting that from the very beginning Daniel was pressuring people for a quick buy by claiming "limited" and "short window of opportunity".

Who cares if he is having financial trouble. It's not our problem. Period. It has absolutely zero bearing on his activities in relation to the community, and mitigates nothing. That is not meant to be read as aggressive towards you Overread btw, just a statement of what I personally interpret to be objective fact, I don't like even entertaining that his personal situation is in any way shape or form relevant. He likes to do that, we should not allow him to muddy a crystal clear situation.

Daniel is desperate though. He has 700 likes and is looking to sell to anyone he can find even remotely connected, just people making random single comments. Does that sound like he actually has 700 likes to you? Does the fact he is hiding it, admitted GW legal had a problem with it and was doing it anyways indicate the situation? It sure does.

We've no reason to believe in his financial problems and they are not our concern. If his online behaviour and dishonesty carry over into real life though it's perhaps wouldn't be a surprise if he has employment issues. It's very much a bed of his own making.

 -Loki- wrote:
He says 3 weeks for labor, 5 days to ship. Doesn't that put it very close to paypals dispute limit? Nice way to make sure you don't get disputes opened against you.

Far as I know, Paypal's dispute limit is 45 days, so 26 days is more like half their limit.

Of course, adding a week here due to "delays" followed by a week of "oh noes, a family emergency, it'll be right out!" followed by a few days of "...", yeah, it's a good portion of the dispute period eaten up.

Edit: though as noted above, sometimes they're less absolute on it than others. I'm sure we've all heard enough Paypal horror stories to generally aim within that timeframe at least.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
We've no reason to believe in his financial problems and they are not our concern.

Being a full-time scammer can be tough sometimes. Some may be forced to change their profession

Hmm not sure where that David came from - it just slipped in right in the middle - edited my post to avoid confusion.

MajorTom - no offence taken I do very much agree that he does muddy the water with lies and sob stories and that this could just be his latest series of lies to try and curry favour with the community - indeed such fits ideally with his profile of past behaviour. Sob stories and confusion are his tools of trade along with aliases and false promises.

At this rate though his refusal to give up suggests to me that if we ever do lose him from the wargaming community chances are he'll resurface in another niche community (wouldn't surprise me if he's already and in the past been active in other communities).

Being a full-time scammer can be tough sometimes. Some may be forced to change their profession

Birdbreeder?

wouldn't surprise me if he's already and in the past been active in other communities

What other communities?

Also this from Facebook:

Alan Welson 3 hr ago (account inactive)

Could be a suspension or deletion. Or not.

I don't believe he's deleted that account, I'm not even friends with him and I can still see everything he posted as Alan Welson...

if his account was inactive, I wouldn't even be able to search for his profile.

Either way, I'm trying to spot him if he pops up again.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
Also this from Facebook:
Alan Welson 3 hr ago (account inactive)
Could be a suspension or deletion. Or not.

I have him on my Friends list and also Private messages.... I will confirm the account is inactive. I WILL say that other friends who have deleted accounts the profile picture was not able to be seen, and Alan still has one SO I am inclined to think its not his doing that made it inactive.

Daniel Charlie Frank and MINI Conversions are still active, But I have not heard anything from anyone in a while. Last I heard was about a week ago and was Daniel calling me and left a Message, but Admittedly Im still trying to find out how to check my Voicemail. My Smartphone is too smart for me I suppose.

 munkey joe wrote:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
Also this from Facebook:
Alan Welson 3 hr ago (account inactive)
Could be a suspension or deletion. Or not.

I have him on my Friends list and also Private messages.... I will confirm the account is inactive. I WILL say that other friends who have deleted accounts the profile picture was not able to be seen, and Alan still has one SO I am inclined to think its not his doing that made it inactive.

Daniel Charlie Frank and MINI Conversions are still active, But I have not heard anything from anyone in a while. Last I heard was about a week ago and was Daniel calling me and left a Message, but Admittedly Im still trying to find out how to check my Voicemail. My Smartphone is too smart for me I suppose.

Assuming they don't work different from the UK (and I'm fairly sure they don't) press and hold the 1 key from within the phone app to call voicemail, if it is network branded or has been properly configured.

If this doesn't work, you'll probably get a message asking you to input the voicemail #, a simple google of "(your network provider) voicemail number" will get it for you.

 azreal13 wrote:

Assuming they don't work different from the UK (and I'm fairly sure they don't) press and hold the 1 key from within the phone app to call voicemail, if it is network branded or has been properly configured.

If this doesn't work, you'll probably get a message asking you to input the voicemail #, a simple google of "(your network provider) voicemail number" will get it for you.

Its asking me for my Pin #..... I dont remember having a pin #..... but Im going to my provider tomm to get sorted.... I have like 4 messages... LOL hope they were not important really.

 munkey joe wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

Assuming they don't work different from the UK (and I'm fairly sure they don't) press and hold the 1 key from within the phone app to call voicemail, if it is network branded or has been properly configured.

If this doesn't work, you'll probably get a message asking you to input the voicemail #, a simple google of "(your network provider) voicemail number" will get it for you.

Its asking me for my Pin #..... I dont remember having a pin #..... but Im going to my provider tomm to get sorted.... I have like 4 messages... LOL hope they were not important really.

Try 1234. If it's never been set up, they tend to keep it simple.

Have you found anything in your research about Daniel to help you understand our position(members of the community, NOT DAKKA!) on Daniel?
I'd love to hear how you feel your discussions with Daniel went?

Yep, 1234, 0000 or occasionally 1111 are all favorite for default numbers.

 alarmingrick wrote:

Have you found anything in your research about Daniel to help you understand our position(members of the community, NOT DAKKA!) on Daniel?
I'd love to hear how you feel your discussions with Daniel went?

My discussions With Daniel...... Well He never said he was a scammer (obviously) but seems to be involved with a lot of deals that went bad and DEF has a Bad PR rep and campaign going on. While my PERSONAL opinion of him is Personal, He Seems to have points and counterpoints to everything that is said about him. Its alot to digest and Very hard to see who or what is Truth, Jaded truth, and outright lies. BUT it seems I Am Saved from making Judgement for or against. Daniel informed me Via Facebook a short time after he called and said

Daniel wrote:ive deleted the RF page
and the website
so im done
thanks for the help tommy
bye my friend.

And that he was done in the Hobby and would do no more with it.

NOW From what I see and hear he has done this several times before i the past and there is not real reason to trust this statement as "Gospel"... BUT I myself have Said Im done doing something and have not done it. NOW for my Judgement, I will not publicly denounce anyone unless I am actually involved or 100% sure of my accusations and on this I am not 100%. BUT with my Past dealings of Daniel being Flighty (I was NEVER SCAMMED), Multiple accusations with Lack of Evidence to disprove, and mainly Testimony from trusted Associates I should say "Caveat Emptor" As you run the risk of possibly either being very VERY late receiving product Or possibly not receiving orders at all (from testimony and NOT proven).

I DO support a Good trader system and Reputation system and If I were new to the game and looked at rep and feedback I would request him to Ship First in a trade. Without being crystal clear and making accusations myself I will reiterate "Caveat Emptor"....

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

wouldn't surprise me if he's already and in the past been active in other communities

What other communities?

Any other web based community that has wargaming followings? I frequent a board that has quite a sizeable following for many tabletop games, and most don't come here or any other large 40k websites like warseer. Wargaming communites on websites can be very insular. I frequent an Australian based board where the Resin Forge warning was posted and most people thought it was just Dakka being the trouble makers, not knowing the history.

You can't think of Dakka as 'the wargaming community' just as you can't think of GW as 'the wargaming hobby'. It may be the biggest, but it's not the only one.

 munkey joe wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

Have you found anything in your research about Daniel to help you understand our position(members of the community, NOT DAKKA!) on Daniel?
I'd love to hear how you feel your discussions with Daniel went?

My discussions With Daniel...... Well He never said he was a scammer (obviously) but seems to be involved with a lot of deals that went bad and DEF has a Bad PR rep and campaign going on. While my PERSONAL opinion of him is Personal, He Seems to have points and counterpoints to everything that is said about him. Its alot to digest and Very hard to see who or what is Truth, Jaded truth, and outright lies. BUT it seems I Am Saved from making Judgement for or against. Daniel informed me Via Facebook a short time after he called and said

Daniel wrote:ive deleted the RF page
and the website
so im done
thanks for the help tommy
bye my friend.

And that he was done in the Hobby and would do no more with it.

NOW From what I see and hear he has done this several times before i the past and there is not real reason to trust this statement as "Gospel"... BUT I myself have Said Im done doing something and have not done it. NOW for my Judgement, I will not publicly denounce anyone unless I am actually involved or 100% sure of my accusations and on this I am not 100%. BUT with my Past dealings of Daniel being Flighty (I was NEVER SCAMMED), Multiple accusations with Lack of Evidence to disprove, and mainly Testimony from trusted Associates I should say "Caveat Emptor" As you run the risk of possibly either being very VERY late receiving product Or possibly not receiving orders at all (from testimony and NOT proven).

I DO support a Good trader system and Reputation system and If I were new to the game and looked at rep and feedback I would request him to Ship First in a trade. Without being crystal clear and making accusations myself I will reiterate "Caveat Emptor"....

Too late MJ. I'm in the "I was already screwed by Daniel" camp. I'm safe from ever having any further business with his sorry ass.

Has anyone made a Seinfeld reference about the name Mandelbaum yet?

Probably, but let's stick to the topic, please.

This thread is for providing information about Mandelbaum's business activities, not for jokes.

I've gone ahead and told the people I know in the hobby about this guy and his scams, I'd suggest others do the same. Spread enough word and he will simply run out of "clients". Hopefully that'll be an end to it, though I get the feeling it won't.

You don't think this is going to slow us down for even some seconds Daniel, do you? Your deeds are more widespread over the internet than curses about Matt Ward *lol*

How did such a warning break FB's standards?

It doesn't. FB just doesn't actually check. That's how Daniel always tries to intimidate us. To no avail

But go on Facebook, protect scammers, we have so many channels you can never block Daniel

So I would suggest that everybody can go and report BCS and the Mandelbaum accounts, because those one ACTUALLY DO violate Facebook standards. How many users we have again at the disposal?

Indeed, agreed, hit the report scam button on this guy.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:


So I would suggest that everybody can go and report BCS and the Mandelbaum accounts, because those one ACTUALLY DO violate Facebook standards. How many users we have again at the disposal?

Well, the community (NOT just Dakka, Daniel) has enough people to do it I think. I've dropped a report on BCS anyhow. Old news or not, Daniel's name or aliuses don't appear on the about section of the page anywhere - in fact, no names do as far as I can see.

I've been reporting it since this ordeal began, doesn't seem like FB is keen to listen...