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 BrassScorpion wrote:

I would actually buy that (or in a squeezy tube), it's not really suited to use from a pot.

Vallejo model filler comes in one of the same little squeeze bottles they use for their paints. It's great stuff.

I can vouch for this stuff, very easy to work with

Others have gotten there first, but Army Painter have a very extensive range of colour primers already and constantly adding to it, this combined with their colour matching and very fair pricing means this is probably a little too late for GW. That said I guess they still (somehow) shift their existing sprays so there's probably a market in their customer base for these.

 Orinoco wrote:



Question is, will they be a good match with the pot colours?

I know from experience with the last lot of colour sprays they

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Compared to £9.99 for Army Painter, which claim to be primers, too.

The army painter sprays are very good primers and they have paint pots which match the primers, I use them often. Even the very old original citadel colour sprays never had matching pots or the ones during late 3rd edition.

AP primers are mostly very good - skeleton bone is fantastic, both as a primer and as the conventional paint. For a long time we were stocking up on bleached bone for our tyranids... Now we base and highlight with skeleton bone.

But they're not all great. daemonic yellow is no good as a primer - I prime with skull white first, only way for decent coverage. And funnily enough, the separate paint is a much more lemony colour. So yes, they're good, but not perfect. Of course yellow is a notoriously tricky colour for coverage.

A lot of people buy GW stuff out of convenience due to being in GW stores already for gaming etc. These will definitely sell, but I doubt they'll sway anyone who's already using AP stuff - it's cheaper, and we know the colour matching works.

Still, it's a sign that GW are aware of what's going on in the wider market I guess.

The market for the sprays is very simple: Someone is in a GW shop and they can buy everything they need in one hit. No going round 6 shops for little Tommy to make up his mind. They will sell by the truck load at Christmas. Big box of models plus £100 of hobby kit and paint is still half the price of an XBox One. Thats where GW always pitch themselves at Christmas and it works. Myself, I'll be hankering for the next Hobbit box because it's very easy to say to present buyers "buy this one box".

Lets not forget, with few exceptions GW spray paints are very good. I have used many different brands and I find GW right up at the top quality wise. Not price wise of-course, but the quality is there.

 Krellnus wrote:
Well I was told that there is some reason that makes shipping aerosol cans problematic, although I haven't ruled out the possibility that I was being had.

I work in international construction logistics.

There's no issue at all sending pressurized materials, aerosolized or not, by sea. It's air where you run into issues.

They could easily send these by sea containers. The lead times would be significantly longer (as in, 35-40 days as opposed to 7-10), but it would actually be cheaper to send a container by sea than by air, pound for pound.

If anything, the supply chain time lines would be the thing that kills it in my mind.

Let's say demand is under-estimated, back ordered, or under ordered in the first place.

A couple shops run out, order more from central distribution ... who then runs out... ripple effect. The month + lead time i think is what poses a problem more than anything. But that's just me.


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 fullheadofhair wrote:
Lets not forget, with few exceptions GW spray paints are very good. I have used many different brands and I find GW right up at the top quality wise. Not price wise of-course, but the quality is there.

Are they ? I've heard horror stories of Chaos Black spray. Honest question, because I hand prime with Gesso which is time consuming, and i can do it in any color i want, as long as that color is black or white.

That said, i have stuck with Gesso and i'm paranoid to go back to spray priming.

Despite weather issues, and convenience issues, and the time investment being about the same - gesso dries waaay quicker than spray paint, so while it takes longer to do, if you do five models, the first is dry by the time your done with #5, and ready to paint. It would be nice, for some more colorful schemes, to get the basecolor in a spray though, so that's why i ask.


Edit: For sense making.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Wow, that one guy was right about the One-Click Chapter for nearly 10,000 Eurobucks. Sickeningly awesome

That release list photo comes from the same source website that was mentioned in the thread that was closed down earlier today for suspicion of being fake and was on the page that sparked the controversy here on Dakka about authenticity.

Seems, the spray part of the rumour is true:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat470002a&rootCatGameStyle=paints-tools

Well, seems like they're supposed to match at least. From the description of the Mephiston Red Spray:-

Mephiston Red Spray is designed for basecoating plastic, resin and metal Citadel miniatures. Sprayed over an undercoat, it's a fast way to get a uniform base of colour onto models. The colour in this spray is exactly the same as Citadel Base: Mephiston Red, so if any part of the model gets missed when spraying, a quick tidy up with the equivalent paint will provide a complete basecoat.

I will probably buy the gw stuff mainly out of convince since I use their paints and I am pretty sure the colors will match, though ill wait to see for myself.

 notprop wrote:
I want liquid green stuff in a can (with a WD40 thin nozzle/straw) and I want it now!

GW sux with their so called paint!!1!11!!!

Wow, I wonder how many times you'd be able to use the can before the LGS dried and clogged the nossle up. [hint:1]

Also I think I might get the caliban green can.

Dont care about the price, GW white primer it's simply the best and I cannot live without it... So its good they branch out with more options... They could even make small cans like tamiyas acrylics for painting.

Good move from GW here.

With "Gw white primer" you mean the unknown brand GW buys and relabels.. right?
GW does not make their own spray cans... they just buy them somewhere else which means that somewhere else there are exactly the same spray cans for ... 1/2 the price or even less.

RoninXiC wrote:
With "Gw white primer" you mean the unknown brand GW buys and relabels.. right?
GW does not make their own spray cans... they just buy them somewhere else which means that somewhere else there are exactly the same spray cans for ... 1/2 the price or even less.

If I could find the original cheaper one I would... I tried some cheaper stuff and all failed, even tried some more expensive ones and again failed... tried gesso by normal brush and its damn horrible... SO yeah!

RoninXiC wrote:
With "Gw white primer" you mean the unknown brand GW buys and relabels.. right?
GW does not make their own spray cans... they just buy them somewhere else which means that somewhere else there are exactly the same spray cans for ... 1/2 the price or even less.

Well, wherever they source it their white primer works really well .

Just done a mammoth spray session, with AP, Tamiya, Humbrol and GW, and the GW is by far the most reliable, as far as primer goes. Tamiya in particular is horrible, their white spray is bitty, and their yellow, which I tried out, comes out gloss, and you can't apply washes on top.

well that seems strange when tamiya and similar have been the primer for ... hundreds of millions of scale model kits...
seems pretty strange if they were pretty gakky.

GW primer is quite expensive in comparison to the brand I am using. GW primer has less pigments (more layers to spray), wider nozzle (more going beside the mini) and 200ml less. Besides, mine costs 4 Euro a piece when getting 6 of them, also it has very reliable quality.

What brand would that be? (I imagine something available in Germany might just be available back here).

So from what I'm reading at the GW and AP sites, GW's new color sprays still require a black or white primer, while AP's sprays are both primer and basecoat in one, correct???

Belton Hit Color White/Black Matt

Actually a well-known Graffiti Brand

I use Halfords Grey Primer - does the job well.

I use Hycote Matt Black car spray. 400 ml, 2 quid. Never had a problem with coverage or quality.The only reason i could see for using one of these sprays is if you heavily rely on one of the colours being offered, eg. You start your BA army off with a Mephiston Red undercoat, and the prospect hand painting that on 40+ minis fills you with dread (understandable).

I use Halfords grey primer on my kits, i find it covers extremely well. I'm going to try the Caliban green spray as I have a lot of Dark Angels to paint, fingers crossed it's a fairly close match to the pot.

Antony

 notprop wrote:
Good spot, never seen that before.

I've been using the very good but very toxic Squadron stuff.

Note that the Vallejo Acrylic Putty also is sold in a squeeze tube with a bit narrower nozzle. It's even better than the bottle version.

Regarding the Spray Primers, Army Painter has about 15 shades of color primers and they claim they are 100% matching with their dropper bottle paints.

Or you could just prime you figure and use the color of your choice with an airbrush. Same thing, basically but at far less cost over time.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Wow, that one guy was right about the One-Click Chapter for nearly 10,000 Eurobucks. Sickeningly awesome

That release list photo comes from the same source website that was mentioned in the thread that was closed down earlier today for suspicion of being fake and was on the page that sparked the controversy here on Dakka about authenticity.

Seems, the spray part of the rumour is true:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat470002a&rootCatGameStyle=paints-tools

Looks like I was also right about AU not getting it, switch to the AU paints & tools pre-order page and you'll see.

I just learnt that these sprays are while stocks last with no second run planned. Oh well, good job GW! The folks at Army Painter can relax now.

where's this info from?

It seems really odd to bother developing a spray (you can't just put the same pigments in a can) for a planned small one off manufacturing run

much more likely it's a test release for what they hope to be an ongoing line, if the sell they'll order more runs, if not then they won't

similar to the edge paints.. Limited at first, folk wanted them so another run was done and since that sold another sees likely

Can't reveal the source, but it is an official statement.
And I said "while stock lasts with no second run planned", not "limited edition with a second run prohibited by law".

And it seems odd to develop a new Space Hulk with Plastik moulds and all, produce stock for 2 days and not use the moulds for the next Tyranid and Blood Angel releases. But there you are.

Krylon is the perfect primer. Excellent quality, very low price, sells at Walmart. A lot of hobbyists use it.