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 AndrewC wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 xole wrote:
Is it just me or do eagles always look pissed off?

This eagle read all his posts...

I know I'm just personifying the picture, but I can't help but try to figure out what has happened to make the eagle look like that?

Cheers

Andrew

Obama

Maybe it saw MarineKilla1's post?

 Palindrome wrote:
What this muppet is doing is very far from political commentary, in fact buring books of any kind can only have negative effects, political or otherwise.

No, it is political commentary. Idiotic, bigoted political commentary, but political commentary all the same.

And picking out some political commentary and saying 'oh that's stupid and bigoted and so we won't have any more of that' is more or less how we tried to run things for most of human history. The results weren't great.



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 Forar wrote:
At this point I'm beginning to think he gets off on it.

No, not the attention, we knew he got off on that after the first 'event'.

I mean being dealt with by law enforcement.

"What seems to be the problem officer? Oh, you caught me, I've been a bad, baaad boy..."

There's a lot of folk out there who seem genuinely disappointed that no-one wants to persecute them. This guy is just a little more committed to it than most. "What's that, you won't oppress me for burning a bunch of korans? Well how about I soak them in petrol and drive the streets for a while, you gonna oppress me then?"


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 gossipmeng wrote:
He should have recycled them because then it would be a government recycling facility destroying 3000 qurans :O

Holy gak that's genius!


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Both belief X book is the holy word of God. but only one of them gets outraged as a rule when their book gets burned.

A similar belief attached to a equivalent object, but way different reactions to the same action regarding that object.

I think people are getting hung up on the place of the book in each religion to explain the likely difference in the reaction between the two sides.

Instead, look at the middle east, and then look at the West. Very, very different places. Here in the West we've simply got a lot less to be angry about in general, while in the Middle East, well there's a lot of problems. As a result, affronts even as minor as a book burning can take on a crazy level of importance.

It wasn't that long ago that Christians got pretty god damn crazy about this kind of stuff as well. The Wars of Reformation were crazy. But, well, once you get a nice car and a few hundred cable tv shows to choose from, getting angry enough to kill someone over burning a book just doesn't make sense anymore.


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 Wolfstan wrote:
That will be The Bible that was cobbled together over the years then? We'll have some of the Torah in it, plus the other bits that we deem acceptable... but not the stuff that could loosen our grip on society. At least the Jews & Muslims have an original book, unlike the Christians.

Actualy the authorship of the Koran is widely debated. It's generally believed that there was no single edition at the time of Mohammed's death, and it was assembled over time, and mostly drawn from oratory (which likely would have changed from what Mohammed had originally said).


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 whembly wrote:
I'm not sure that's right...

The Bible was revised thousands of times...

The Quran.. isn't there support books (The Hadiths?) and the fact the Sunni/Shia interpret the Quran differently?

There's lots of supporting documents to the Koran, but the original was written in one language in which it is still mostly written in today, and that's a language that people still speak. In fact, there's plenty of debate within Islam whether versions other than the Arabic should even be considered legit (a debate where both sides mirror the two sides of Vatican II very closely).

Now that doesn't mean the book is therefore the word of God through Mohammed (see my post above), but it does make it different to the bible in that sense.

There was not a single written copy at the time of his death, see my post above.

And saying arabic is still used today is a bit off, because the language has undergone massive transformations grammatically and syntactically. Even more than old english and modern english.

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 xole wrote:
Is it just me or do eagles always look pissed off?

This eagle read all his posts...

I know I'm just personifying the picture, but I can't help but try to figure out what has happened to make the eagle look like that?

Cheers

Andrew

Obama

Seriously, this thread is the best thing I read so far tonight. Good work, everyone.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
There was not a single written copy at the time of his death, see my post above.

My wording was unclear. I should have said 'no agreed edition', that is, at the death of Mohammed there was not only no formal, written version of what the Koran should contain, but also no particular agreement on exactly what such a book should contain.

And saying arabic is still used today is a bit off, because the language has undergone massive transformations grammatically and syntactically. Even more than old english and modern english.

But it's still the same language. It isn't aramaic, is what I'm saying.

Also, I think the situation might be much more serious that we had thought.

North or South Koreans? This is important.

If North Koreans, they might be weaponized - we had better ask Mr. Putin what to do.

That's a I doubt that any of us can achieved. Proof read please and do not rely on Auto Spell correct. Reporter must be fresh from college

Koran/Quran
Koreans...
Quran/Koran
Koreans
See
Sea
here
hear

 Ouze wrote:
Also, I think the situation might be much more serious that we had thought.

Spoiler:

Well, that makes a lot more sense as to why he was arrested.

 djones520 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Also, I think the situation might be much more serious that we had thought.

Spoiler:

Well, that makes a lot more sense as to why he was arrested.

It does open up the question of how would you fit 3000 Koreans in a trailer?

Tell them there's laptop in there with a beta of Starcraft 3.

 AndrewC wrote:


I know I'm just personifying the picture, but I can't help but try to figure out what has happened to make the eagle look like that?

Cheers

Andrew

Just found out that pattern baldness is hereditary.

 Ouze wrote:
Tell them there's laptop in there with a beta of Starcraft 3.

The sad thing there... it'd probably work!

Ever been so South Korea then your familiar with their version of a bus. Max Capacity is "Just one more person"

Now that's funny. I didn't even notice that spelling error on Yahoo.

 Goliath wrote:
It does open up the question of how would you fit 3000 Koreans in a trailer?

If its North Koreans they are kind of little.

 sebster wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
It does open up the question of how would you fit 3000 Koreans in a trailer?

If its North Koreans they are kind of little.

It's because they don't eat much...

Also lets them get into all the tight spots in the mines.

Dang, we can't invade Nkorea. Its full of clowns!

That's stupid. Improperly transporting a gun would be one thing, but you can't arrest someone for burning Qurans. And to everyone who claims it's a hate crime, what you would you think he were burning Bibles? Ideas do not have rights.

He's probably a huge Islamaphobe anyway.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
That's stupid. Improperly transporting a gun would be one thing, but you can't arrest someone for burning Qurans. And to everyone who claims it's a hate crime, what you would you think he were burning Bibles? Ideas do not have rights.

He's probably a huge Islamaphobe anyway.

None of that but the last part happened though.

Totally disagree with what this guy is doing, acts like that have no place in Christianity.

But I wanted to comment on the Quran origin discussion. There is a big difference between the Quran and the Bible, in that the Quran as we know it now, was the outcome of one of Mohammeds followers burning all of the other qurans (Uhtman I believe), to create only 1 version. And it was strictly enforced that this is the only version. Kind of like an extreme "King James Onlyism".

We now have no way of knowing what the original Quran was.

GG

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
That's stupid. Improperly transporting a gun would be one thing, but you can't arrest someone for burning Qurans. And to everyone who claims it's a hate crime, what you would you think he were burning Bibles? Ideas do not have rights.

He's probably a huge Islamaphobe anyway.

Can't locate my criminal code, but up here it would definitely be considered a hate crime. Hate crimes laws are conjunctive with any other crimes, under Section 718.2 CCQ ;

A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles:

(a) a sentence should be increased or reduced to account for any relevant aggravating or mitigating circumstances relating to the offence or the offender, and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing,

(i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or any other similar factor, . . . shall be deemed to be aggravating circumstances.''

I don't have it by memory, but ostensibly destroying objects of cult is a criminal offense.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Wolfstan wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Come again?

The Bible being the divine word of God is one of the core beliefs of Christianity.

That will be The Bible that was cobbled together over the years then? We'll have some of the Torah in it, plus the other bits that we deem acceptable... but not the stuff that could loosen our grip on society. At least the Jews & Muslims have an original book, unlike the Christians.

Reported that nice little quip. Toodles

I don't know, you don't check up for a couple of days and look what happens

The Torah and the Quran and presented as books that were written down at the time of the events (the accuracy of this perception is another matter). The Christian bible wasn't. It's not as if it's always been presented as an original from day one, it's own history shows it was "collated" at various times through history. The Christian calendar which we follow was standardised in 1582:

The calendar was a reform in 1582 to the Julian calendar.[5] The motivation for the reform was to bring the date for the celebration of Easter to the time of the year in which the First Council of Nicaea had agreed upon in 325. Because the spring equinox was tied to the celebration of Easter, the Roman Catholic Church considered this steady drift in the date of Easter undesirable. The reform was adopted initially by the Catholic countries of Europe. Protestants and Eastern Orthodox countries continued to use the traditional Julian calendar and adopted the Gregorian reform after a time, for the sake of convenience in international trade.

So, no, I don't think you seriously believe that the Bible is the word of God at all.

As to feeling the need to report my original post, let me just clarify something. I do not "have" to respect anybody's religious belief, you chose it, it's not like a physical handicap that you were born with.

This is pretty off-topic, but:

Unless I am reading it in Aramaic(and even that is just a collection of old stories, not written as they happened- but still the closest to the true source), I refuse to see the Bible as anything other than a book in the style of Aesop's Fables. The law against eating of pork was probably originally driven by the fact that improperly cooked pork can kill you, and saying "God tells us not to" was the easiest way for the village elders to get the point across to the common citizen.

Too many people have had their hands on the bible over the millennia. Half the translations were defined by someone's will. Used to be that the term "Witch" in "suffer not the witch to live", was an Aramaic word that translated to something similar to "a person that uses their power for evil". So it pretty much meant "Tyrant" or "evil-doer". But then it got translated during the Inquisition era, and the new term "Witch" stuck, because of the sensationalism of that sort of thing in those times, and has never changed back. And that's just one word out of the entirety of the book.

 d-usa wrote:
It's because they don't eat much...

Also lets them get into all the tight spots in the mines.

But mostly so its you can fit 3,000 of them in a trailer.