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Lawyers are why we cant have nice things :(

So it's been relaunched. Updated first post.

I'll be following this, but I won't be pledging just due to my unfamiliarity with the site and all the wonky drama.

I may be convinced once photographs of models start coming out. This will very likely be successful and inevitably, once successful, this will be sold on internet retailers and/or eBay. I'll pick it up then.

I'm really happy to jump on board the relaunched campaign.

I stand by my previous statements about Moon Design. The money grubbing, stain of a company can suck it. Go and celebrate that wonderful RPG of yours, that no one associates with Heroquest.

MOD EDIT - Please don't post images like this - thanks. - Alpharius

Well, just because I'm really curious how this will go, I've backed at the 9 Euro shipping cost level. That way, I can keep track of it, because I suspect this will go pear-shaped at some point.

 Divine_Tyranny wrote:
Lawyers are why we cant have nice things :(

And yet the Law is the reason anyone has any nice things at all - the irony!

And I thought I'd chosen one of the less offensive options?
Ah well, lesson learned. I'll behave now.

I would really seriously recommend people try out the new funding option. Just because it's a different platform doesn't mean it's a lesser option. This one actually requires a failed project repay all backers, KS doesn't have any such condition.

Kickstarter actually does have that provision - but again, will not be guaranteeing or being held responsible, of course.

 Splod wrote:
This one actually requires a failed project repay all backers, KS doesn't have any such condition.

Curious to see how you feel this is actually enforceable? Kickstarter has a 'Creator's should reimburse backers if they cannot fulfill rewards' policy as well; but you can't get blood from a stone.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Divine_Tyranny wrote:
Lawyers are why we cant have nice things :(

And yet the Law is the reason anyone has any nice things at all - the irony!

When 1% of the people have 99% of the nice things, the irony is lost on me

Personally the whole drama surrounding this has really made me lose faith in the project. Even though Moon Design were kind of the party poopers here, I think Gamezone are on recklessly shaky legal ground. I recall Hasbro moved on Scrbulous just for having a similar name to scrabble, not to mention Games Workshop who seem to assume that everything including the word "Hero" is their property.

It just doesn't feel right to me. I would not be surprised if there were many more legal roadblocks ahead.

 Smacks wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Divine_Tyranny wrote:
Lawyers are why we cant have nice things :(

And yet the Law is the reason anyone has any nice things at all - the irony!

When 1% of the people have 99% of the nice things, the irony is lost on me

Ugh.

You're not... serious, are you?

It's the tale of human history mate..

People making ridiculous statements?

You're damn straight!

I make them... all the time!

 Smacks wrote:
I think Gamezone are on recklessly shaky legal ground.

When the person they put in charge of securing the American trademark is a convicted felon, they certainly give that impression.

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh.

You're not... serious, are you?

Well this is probably a discussion for off-topic, but since it's you (and since no one likes me there...)

I'm fairly serious. For example the U.S. farm subsidy program, cost taxpayers nearly $20 billion in 2007. A Cato Institute study found that, two-thirds of the subsidies went to the richest 10 percent of recipients. Recipients include Ted Turner, and former Enron CEO Kenneth Lay. A later study found that around 93 billion was wasted on corporate subsidies.

It's almost like people with money and influence... are influencing legislation... to get themselves... more money.

People with no money usually have zero influence, so I think the addition of laws is less likely to send nice things their way. I'm certain in a lawless world I could beat up Donald Trump and steal his stuff, so I stand by original statement.

Interesting. It was around 20000 euros about a half hour ago, but the project doesn't appear on verkami anymore. Wonder what new shenanigans are going on.

Triple9 wrote:
Interesting. It was around 20000 euros about a half hour ago, but the project doesn't appear on verkami anymore. Wonder what new shenanigans are going on.

Lol, you're right. The Verkami link in the OP now leads to a "page not found". The handling of this certainly leaves something to be desired.

 RiTides wrote:

Triple9 wrote:
Interesting. It was around 20000 euros about a half hour ago, but the project doesn't appear on verkami anymore. Wonder what new shenanigans are going on.

Lol, you're right. The Verkami link in the OP now leads to a "page not found". The handling of this certainly leaves something to be desired.

Strange, I could have sworn the link was working a while ago.

The 'official' GameZone site lists three links: http://www.heroquestclassic.com/thumbs-up-hq25-at-verkami/
All three lead to a "page not found".
Twitter link also is dead: https://twitter.com/GamezoneMiniatu

I guess it was taken down...

Hell of a ride this project is having...

The link was definitely working a few hours ago, maybe even one hour. You'd think they would have made 100% sure Verkami was okay with the project before launching, in order to avoid another fiasco...

What makes no sense to me is that even if there was a problem, who would be around to pull the plug at 5:00 AM-ish on a Sunday in Spain.

Triple9 wrote:
What makes no sense to me is that even if there was a problem, who would be around to pull the plug at 5:00 AM-ish on a Sunday in Spain.

Specifically as the project was Pre-approved by the Verkami, around saturday midnight!

This may just be Verkami's way of doing a "suspended due to IP dispute". They're not as big as Kickstarter, so they must not get DMCA shutdown requests often. It may not be a full and complete shutdown+deletion.

No doubt Moon Design would have sent a shutdown request after hearing of this Verkami project.

Seriously Gamezone:

*Dice pack
*'Questing Hero' Dungeon monsters Pack
*'Questing Hero' Doors/Furniture Pack
*'Questing Hero' Adventurers Pack
*'Questing Hero' Objectives Pack
*'Questing Hero' Double-sided Dungeon Board

Release cards, Quests and all other game material electronically via free PDFs.

Everything else is basically trademark and Copyright free. Back to KS and let people decide what they want or the whole thing.

It may just be me, but releasing just miniatures and dice packs wouldn't be as attractive to me and many others as a full game. Releasing a board game hits the points of nostalgia and simply being a full game.

Additionally, if they're going to release just models, they may as well make those "reptillian cyclopses" that HeroQuest fans are fimirliar with.

Then again, a doors/furniture pack in sculpted models would be very welcome.

Not going near this one with a 10-foot pole at this stage. Consumer confidence = shattered!

Dear backers,

We want to comunicate our decision of stoping the campaign were you had pledged: ‘Heroquest 25th Anniversary’

The urge to publish the project by the authors today sunday 8 at 1 am has precipitated it’s publication without being able, the team of verkami, to spend the right time to review the project.

After carefully studying the campaign, we believe that the content of the project could be misleading to our users.

Your pledges will be cancelled so no charges will be made in your card or PayPal account.

We thank you for your trust, and we want to apologize for any inconvenience our handling of the project might have caused.

Verkami team

 Absolutionis wrote:
It may just be me, but releasing just miniatures and dice packs wouldn't be as attractive to me and many others as a full game. Releasing a board game hits the points of nostalgia and simply being a full game.

Additionally, if they're going to release just models, they may as well make those "reptillian cyclopses" that HeroQuest fans are fimirliar with.

Then again, a doors/furniture pack in sculpted models would be very welcome.

Yeah, but if the alternative is 'Nothing' then that is bad for all.

I have the old game, so new parts is super appealing, but I was looking forward to quest-packs.

If your models are good, you can give away the game rules for free.

Maybe Hasblow will just wise up and make it again? They do treat their other collector communities pretty well.

guru wrote:

Dear backers,

We want to comunicate our decision of stoping the campaign were you had pledged: ‘Heroquest 25th Anniversary’

The urge to publish the project by the authors today sunday 8 at 1 am has precipitated it’s publication without being able, the team of verkami, to spend the right time to review the project.

After carefully studying the campaign, we believe that the content of the project could be misleading to our users.

Your pledges will be cancelled so no charges will be made in your card or PayPal account.

We thank you for your trust, and we want to apologize for any inconvenience our handling of the project might have caused.

Verkami team

Unbelievable!

Boom! Headshot!

Time to make those figure & furniture packs, methinks...

So, are we just going to end up with a rushed version of "heroquest" released by whoever actually own it, to take advantage of its sudden popularity?
I'd much prefer someone who actually gave a gak had control.

Joyboozer wrote:
So, are we just going to end up with a rushed version of "heroquest" released by whoever actually own it, to take advantage of its sudden popularity?
I'd much prefer someone who actually gave a gak had control.

Nah, we'll get Moon Design's awesome HeroQuest board game in the Glorantha universe, complete with a paper mat and chit counters (to represent anthropomorphic ducks, of course) and an awkward dated ruleset (to retain the system's clunky flavor from the RPG)