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New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Calgar has an AP2 shooting attack and an Orbital Bombardment. He can dance around the other Chapter Masters and shoot them to death with nigh impunity.

Regarding Lysander vs. Moloc, as soon as Moloc takes a wound it's I1 for him too.

Lysander is not a chapter master....

Apart from that I don't know all the forge world ones. The best of the codexes is probably Calgar, though Dante making one of the others have worse stats would be amusing.

No love for Grimnar? Calgar's firepower only gives him a slight edge over the Great Wolf. I could see that fight easily going either way.

Commander Dante stands a good chance, thought not having Eternal Warrior hurts in a world of S8 powerfists. Lowering stats by 1, from the Death Mask of Sanguinius (including -1 W!) and then possibly doing another wound with the Infernus pistol before charging in (Hammer of Wrath + 6 attacks on the charge, hitting on 3's with a reroll...Dante is a beast.

I think Chapter Master vs Chapter Master guarantees M.A.D.

Ill tell you who stands NO chance in a Chapter Master battle...

Gabriel Seth. his rending chainsword will need a incredible set of rolls to win the day.

What ever the name of the Iron Hands one you can make with the new book would win.

I'm backing Logan all the way. The Old Wolf hasn't stood as The Great Wolf, Chapter Master of the Space Wolves for over 700 years for nothin. He could fight Calgar and all his cheese, inspire others to fight by his pure charisma, his axe of morkai wrecking Termis, Space Marine and most else in the universe along with being Eternal Warrior along with his special rules and saves and his wolf tooth necklace just means he'll be wrecking face all day everyday. Him and Dante I see fighting 1v1 when the smoke clears

Asterion Moloc kills them all for snubbing the high lords.

Th0rh4mm3r wrote:
Commander Dante stands a good chance, thought not having Eternal Warrior hurts in a world of S8 powerfists. Lowering stats by 1, from the Death Mask of Sanguinius (including -1 W!) and then possibly doing another wound with the Infernus pistol before charging in (Hammer of Wrath + 6 attacks on the charge, hitting on 3's with a reroll...Dante is a beast.

I think Chapter Master vs Chapter Master guarantees M.A.D.

Ill tell you who stands NO chance in a Chapter Master battle...

Gabriel Seth. his rending chainsword will need a incredible set of rolls to win the day.

Dante loses cos've the unwieldy special rule. He has to strike at init 1 with an axe and he doesn't get eternal warrior - so anyone with a powerfist can tiger uppercut him for the win.

Would Kantor stand a chance? I don't know his rules.

No. Only 3+/4++ and no EW.

 Kain wrote:
Asterion Moloc kills them all for snubbing the high lords.

I agree with you completely, but I should have specified I don't mean tabletop I mean if they were truly to meet in combat like in the 40k universe.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Asterion Moloc kills them all for snubbing the high lords.

I agree with you completely, but I should have specified I don't mean tabletop I mean if they were truly to meet in combat like in the 40k universe.

Asterion is very skilled at killing other loyalist marines. And he can probably blast someone's skull out with the laser from his spear, jab another sucker in the head, then keep on going until he stands on a mound of space marines.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

What Moloc would zap him in his uncovered face and not even think twice about it, the high lords of terra would stock there champion with the best equipment for a fight like this, and yet again Moloc is all about killing space marines......and necrons....crap he can kill anything lol.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

What Moloc would zap him in his uncovered face and not even think twice about it, the high lords of terra would stock there champion with the best equipment for a fight like this, and yet again Moloc is all about killing space marines......and necrons....crap he can kill anything lol.

Fluff wise I still think Logan would own Moloc. Leman Russ' special ability was he could match any moves of any opponent he was up against while keeping his own skills and moves. This is some he passed onto his legion. Logan would have a field day with Moloc.

Also not to mention tabletop wise this is reflected. In the game Logan hands moloc his backside on a silver platter.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

What Moloc would zap him in his uncovered face and not even think twice about it, the high lords of terra would stock there champion with the best equipment for a fight like this, and yet again Moloc is all about killing space marines......and necrons....crap he can kill anything lol.

Fluff wise I still think Logan would own Moloc. Leman Russ' special ability was he could match any moves of any opponent he was up against while keeping his own skills and moves. This is some he passed onto his legion. Logan would have a field day with Moloc.

Also not to mention tabletop wise this is reflected. In the game Logan hands Moloc his backside on a silver platter.

Fluffwise Space wolves are the specialist snowflakes of them all that can beat everyone and do anything and generally be the best at everything..

Fightingwise he's gotta deal with S6/AP2 I5 attacks while he has to use either S5/8 AP2 at I1, not to mention getting an S8 shot to the face beforehand, all the while Molac is getting rerolls on all 1's, while at the same time Molac is packing a Storm Shield so Logan is still fighting a 3++ still.

Not to mention Molac is slightly tougher, coming in with W4 over Logans W3.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

What Moloc would zap him in his uncovered face and not even think twice about it, the high lords of terra would stock there champion with the best equipment for a fight like this, and yet again Moloc is all about killing space marines......and necrons....crap he can kill anything lol.

Fluff wise I still think Logan would own Moloc. Leman Russ' special ability was he could match any moves of any opponent he was up against while keeping his own skills and moves. This is some he passed onto his legion. Logan would have a field day with Moloc.

Also not to mention tabletop wise this is reflected. In the game Logan hands Moloc his backside on a silver platter.

Fluffwise Space wolves are the specialist snowflakes of them all that can beat everyone and do anything and generally be the best at everything..

Fightingwise he's gotta deal with S6/AP2 I5 attacks while he has to use either S5/8 AP2 at I1, not to mention getting an S8 shot to the face beforehand, all the while Molac is getting rerolls on all 1's, while at the same time Molac is packing a Storm Shield so Logan is still fighting a 3++ still.

Not to mention Molac is slightly tougher, coming in with W4 over Logans W3.

Moloc is AP2? I was under the impression that he was AP3. A guy down at my local store has Moloc and he couldn't show the Space Wolf player (With Logan) that Moloc was AP2. I had a glance at his rules as well and I couldn't see what was AP2 about him.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

What Moloc would zap him in his uncovered face and not even think twice about it, the high lords of terra would stock there champion with the best equipment for a fight like this, and yet again Moloc is all about killing space marines......and necrons....crap he can kill anything lol.

Fluff wise I still think Logan would own Moloc. Leman Russ' special ability was he could match any moves of any opponent he was up against while keeping his own skills and moves. This is some he passed onto his legion. Logan would have a field day with Moloc.

Also not to mention tabletop wise this is reflected. In the game Logan hands Moloc his backside on a silver platter.

Fluffwise Space wolves are the specialist snowflakes of them all that can beat everyone and do anything and generally be the best at everything..

Fightingwise he's gotta deal with S6/AP2 I5 attacks while he has to use either S5/8 AP2 at I1, not to mention getting an S8 shot to the face beforehand, all the while Molac is getting rerolls on all 1's, while at the same time Molac is packing a Storm Shield so Logan is still fighting a 3++ still.

Not to mention Molac is slightly tougher, coming in with W4 over Logans W3.

Moloc is AP2? I was under the impression that he was AP3. A guy down at my local store has Moloc and he couldn't show the Space Wolf player (With Logan) that Moloc was AP2. I had a glance at his rules as well and I couldn't see what was AP2 about him.

When did this happen? In the current IA:12 TFOO (The fall of orpheus), he has the special Relic Blade: The Black Spear. Which is S6/AP2, Melee, Specialist Weapon. With a single shot S8/AP2 lasbeam.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

What Moloc would zap him in his uncovered face and not even think twice about it, the high lords of terra would stock there champion with the best equipment for a fight like this, and yet again Moloc is all about killing space marines......and necrons....crap he can kill anything lol.

Fluff wise I still think Logan would own Moloc. Leman Russ' special ability was he could match any moves of any opponent he was up against while keeping his own skills and moves. This is some he passed onto his legion. Logan would have a field day with Moloc.

Also not to mention tabletop wise this is reflected. In the game Logan hands Moloc his backside on a silver platter.

Fluffwise Space wolves are the specialist snowflakes of them all that can beat everyone and do anything and generally be the best at everything..

Fightingwise he's gotta deal with S6/AP2 I5 attacks while he has to use either S5/8 AP2 at I1, not to mention getting an S8 shot to the face beforehand, all the while Molac is getting rerolls on all 1's, while at the same time Molac is packing a Storm Shield so Logan is still fighting a 3++ still.

Not to mention Molac is slightly tougher, coming in with W4 over Logans W3.

Moloc is AP2? I was under the impression that he was AP3. A guy down at my local store has Moloc and he couldn't show the Space Wolf player (With Logan) that Moloc was AP2. I had a glance at his rules as well and I couldn't see what was AP2 about him.

When did this happen? In the current IA:12 TFOO (The fall of orpheus), he has the special Relic Blade: The Black Spear. Which is S6/AP2, Melee, Specialist Weapon. With a single shot S8/AP2 lasbeam.

I don't know. I'll need to check with my friend again. He has the book and model for it. Like I said I only got a glimpse of the rules. If what you say is true then they could have played that dual out wrong.

He might've been thinking of a Standard Relic Blade, which is indeed AP3.

Gotta remember that Molac wields a special one that Custodians used.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
He might've been thinking of a Standard Relic Blade, which is indeed AP3.

Gotta remember that Molac wields a special one that Custodians used.

Fair enough, I'll have a look at his profile the next time I get a chance. When I looked at it I don't remember seeing an entry for his CCW, like you do in the new codices. I'm not sure what Imperial Armour book he was using.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
He might've been thinking of a Standard Relic Blade, which is indeed AP3.

Gotta remember that Molac wields a special one that Custodians used.

Fair enough, I'll have a look at his profile the next time I get a chance. When I looked at it I don't remember seeing an entry for his CCW, like you do in the new codices. I'm not sure what Imperial Armour book he was using.

Well his newest one has it under the Chapter Tactics, before Dark Fury, and to the left of Orbital Bombardment.

Azrael...

...luckily, since this is the internet, i don't have to try and type that with a straight face.

I'm beginning to understand why my emomarines cry themselves to sleep at night.

Moloc kills Logan for flaunting the High lords, Moloc kills Azrael for flaunting the inquisition, Moloc kills Calgar for running his own fiefdom, Moloc kills Kantor for having too few marines, Moloc kills Gabriel for being the successor of a heretic, Moloc kills *everyone*.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Calgar has an AP2 shooting attack and an Orbital Bombardment. He can dance around the other Chapter Masters and shoot them to death with nigh impunity.

Regarding Lysander vs. Moloc, as soon as Moloc takes a wound it's I1 for him too.

Lord Asterion Moloc Can trump his dancing albeit his spear is a 1 shot Str8 ap2, but he has an orbital bombardment

doesn't anyone think amidst the free-for-all the others would realize moloc, being the greatest threat, needs to be put down and immediately double-triple-quadrouple team him? its not gonna be pokemon style 1V1 battle until one dies then reset and go with a different, theyd group up and feth the guy over *really* fast

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
New codex I have to ask all you space marines fans out there defend your chapter master this is a no holds barred all CM in one arena free for all (not tabletop) by chapter masters I mean founding chapters, and successors no made up chapter masters. I would have to go with my chapter master Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs with his Black Spear, storm shield, and termie armor his only competition would be Lysander but with his unwieldy thunder hammer would be to slow and get speared through the heart.

Tell how you think this free for all would play out and who would be the last man standing.

Sorry but Moloc doesn't even beat Logan nevermind Lysander or Calgar.

What Moloc would zap him in his uncovered face and not even think twice about it, the high lords of terra would stock there champion with the best equipment for a fight like this, and yet again Moloc is all about killing space marines......and necrons....crap he can kill anything lol.

Fluff wise I still think Logan would own Moloc. Leman Russ' special ability was he could match any moves of any opponent he was up against while keeping his own skills and moves. This is some he passed onto his legion. Logan would have a field day with Moloc.

Also not to mention tabletop wise this is reflected. In the game Logan hands Moloc his backside on a silver platter.

Fluffwise Space wolves are the specialist snowflakes of them all that can beat everyone and do anything and generally be the best at everything..

Fightingwise he's gotta deal with S6/AP2 I5 attacks while he has to use either S5/8 AP2 at I1, not to mention getting an S8 shot to the face beforehand, all the while Molac is getting rerolls on all 1's, while at the same time Molac is packing a Storm Shield so Logan is still fighting a 3++ still.

Not to mention Molac is slightly tougher, coming in with W4 over Logans W3.

And with that my point is proven.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
doesn't anyone think amidst the free-for-all the others would realize moloc, being the greatest threat, needs to be put down and immediately double-triple-quadrouple team him? its not gonna be pokemon style 1V1 battle until one dies then reset and go with a different, theyd group up and feth the guy over *really* fast

Not until Moloc has left a pile of dead and obviously disloyal chapter masters behind him.

Because Moloc is hardcore like that.

He would find a doorway and bottle neck them :/ where they would be forced into a 1 v 1 display of skill in which numbers would mean for naught!

Wait, this isn't 300.

Then again, as close as it gets in the 40K universe xD

This thread is fail. No one has yet mentioned the true winner of these sorts of battles.

If your answer was not "Alpharius", you are wrong.