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 PredaKhaine wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
sorry your right i meant 21st founding whoops but I still say Dante, Calgar, Logan all are lost causes, two other big reasons why despite the one's ive already stated they are honorable Moloc is not where they would hesitate to strike down a battle brother Moloc wouldnt think twice he's mentally unstable and paranoid as hell, second Moloc nor his Minotaurs are no ordinary geneseed there a super super human geneseed with obvious defects, super secret science projects of the adeptas biologicus soo count him off if you want I know the truth all those others are old and outdated and ready for replacement Moloc's whole career has been founded on taking out chapter masters he's a specialist at his craft like no other.

Then Logan goes for the throat - losing, he goes wulfen and tears molocs arms off and beats him to death with them.
Dante - also losing, throws a wobbly, is claimed by the red thirst and the black rage and rips molocs head off and gaks down his neck.
Moloc has never fought anything like those two before...

And when Moloc 're-incarnates' he has no memory of the event as he would have to save his memories before the fight as I doubt he'd get time during...

So he never lerans what kills him thinking about it - he could never learn from his mistakes. As he'd be dead with no recent auto-saves

Logan gotta get close for that he swings his cute little axe it gets blocked by shield and since he wields it with two hands he has no way to stop the spear from being jammed into his unhelmeted face in which Moloc would proceed to give him something few have seen a terminator tea bag, and Dante is going to be flying around like a fairy and then be instakilled out of the air with a one shot, in which Moloc would moonwalk over his oversized jump pack.

There are a few ways memory could be relayed, of course which aren't confirmed. 1: The body is recovered memories up until the point of death are recovered from memory or muscle memory. Or a point upon death his memory is automatically relayed to wherever it needs to go like a instant download transaction. Given that a lot of him is cybernetic its not unbelievable that this guys memories can be installed and transmitted like regular electrical information.

Either way I'm sure he learns a lot. The only time he wouldn't is if he was completely incinerated, suffered un recoverable damage to his head, signalling was blocked or his body was ultimately unobtainable in the head of battle nor afterward.

I think 9 times out of 10 he would remember what killed him and the very mistake he made as it caused him to be slain.

Logon or Dante losing results in them being dead not given the chance to transform or induce the rage of anything.

If dante succumb to the red thirst and the black rage (which he had previously been able to resist to keep his sanity) Moloc still wins, because unlike dante he will return from his deceased state one way or another dante however would need to be killed else carve an unstoppable rampage through his own chapter potentially kicking off a massive chain of angry red marines flipping tables and killing each other.

As for seeing nothing like that, moloc most definitely has. It's a similar condition to which they themselves suffer and have had to over come, since there cursed blood makes them unnaturally violent and aggressive disliking and paranoid of other people fits and bursts of unbridled fearless rage inducing anger are probably things he's dealt with quite often.

Logon is a tough one. I think he is far more dangerous in fluff when he's not fighting initiative 1 then he is on the TT but again like Dante would he be able to stop himself from changing, would he be able to regain control or would the act of the transformation ultimately cause the loss of them both.

 Sasa0mg wrote:
There are a few ways memory could be relayed, of course which aren't confirmed. 1: The body is recovered memories up until the point of death are recovered from memory or muscle memory. Or a point upon death his memory is automatically relayed to wherever it needs to go like a instant download transaction. Given that a lot of him is cybernetic its not unbelievable that this guys memories can be installed and transmitted like regular electrical information.

Either way I'm sure he learns a lot. The only time he wouldn't is if he was completely incinerated, suffered un recoverable damage to his head, signalling was blocked or his body was ultimately unobtainable in the head of battle nor afterward.

I think 9 times out of 10 he would remember what killed him and the very mistake he made as it caused him to be slain.

Logon or Dante losing results in them being dead not given the chance to transform or induce the rage of anything.

If dante succumb to the red thirst and the black rage (which he had previously been able to resist to keep his sanity) Moloc still wins, because unlike dante he will return from his deceased state one way or another dante however would need to be killed else carve an unstoppable rampage through his own chapter potentially kicking off a massive chain of angry red marines flipping tables and killing each other.

As for seeing nothing like that, moloc most definitely has. It's a similar condition to which they themselves suffer and have had to over come, since there cursed blood makes them unnaturally violent and aggressive disliking and paranoid of other people fits and bursts of unbridled fearless rage inducing anger are probably things he's dealt with quite often.

Logon is a tough one. I think he is far more dangerous in fluff when he's not fighting initiative 1 then he is on the TT but again like Dante would he be able to stop himself from changing, would he be able to regain control or would the act of the transformation ultimately cause the loss of them both.

thank you. Its like saying you can beat a swarmlord but in all reality you cant he just keeps coming till your dead or till he gets a lucky strike.

Logan is Logan.

If Bran Redmaw can handle turning back into a marine, I've no doubt Logan could. He's Logan.

Look at what happened to Brother Calistarius - he survived the red thirst and the black rage.
Dante probably could too.

Moloc has not fought a super vampire space marine whos been in charge of one the most hand to hand combat orientated chapters and led from the front for 1100 years minimum.

Or a 10 ft tall mega werewolf in terminator armour...


They also both lead from the front of their GW poster boy codex's. When was the last time the wolves lost to anything?

(iirc - in one story they lose a cruiser to Huron Blackheart. Thats it.)

 Sasa0mg wrote:
There are a few ways memory could be relayed, of course which aren't confirmed. 1: The body is recovered memories up until the point of death are recovered from memory or muscle memory. Or a point upon death his memory is automatically relayed to wherever it needs to go like a instant download transaction. Given that a lot of him is cybernetic its not unbelievable that this guys memories can be installed and transmitted like regular electrical information.

Either way I'm sure he learns a lot. The only time he wouldn't is if he was completely incinerated, suffered un recoverable damage to his head, signalling was blocked or his body was ultimately unobtainable in the head of battle nor afterward.

I think 9 times out of 10 he would remember what killed him and the very mistake he made as it caused him to be slain.

Logon or Dante losing results in them being dead not given the chance to transform or induce the rage of anything.

If dante succumb to the red thirst and the black rage (which he had previously been able to resist to keep his sanity) Moloc still wins, because unlike dante he will return from his deceased state one way or another dante however would need to be killed else carve an unstoppable rampage through his own chapter potentially kicking off a massive chain of angry red marines flipping tables and killing each other.

As for seeing nothing like that, moloc most definitely has. It's a similar condition to which they themselves suffer and have had to over come, since there cursed blood makes them unnaturally violent and aggressive disliking and paranoid of other people fits and bursts of unbridled fearless rage inducing anger are probably things he's dealt with quite often.

Logon is a tough one. I think he is far more dangerous in fluff when he's not fighting initiative 1 then he is on the TT but again like Dante would he be able to stop himself from changing, would he be able to regain control or would the act of the transformation ultimately cause the loss of them both.

Red Thirst and Black Rage are two different things, there is no returning from the Black Rage (unless you're Mephiston) but the Red Thirst can come and go. There have been reports of entire companies falling to the Red Thirst during a particularly intense battle, and having it abate when the fighting was done.

The "too honorable, won't kill a fellow battle brother" argument is crap. We're talking about chapter masters who have fought renegades and chaos marines before, if they see Moloc as a threat they won't hesitate to cleave him in half.

You two are decidedly in the minority here, and the arguments on Moloc's behalf are getting more and more ridiculous. So as my final statement in this discussion I will be ridiculous as well. Dante wins hands down, because as you have pointed out he is an excellent tactician and as such he would be smart enough to not bother fighting Moloc himself. He would simply order Mephiston to curb stomp him.

You can assume so but neither have ever done it so you can't be sure. They're is a good chance that they might not in which case they done-pooped.

And yes the Minotaur and Blood angels are not so different.

If in doubt bring one of if not the strongest defensive item in the space marine inventory to lend a helping hand. This guy has a shield and spear and knows how to use it. If they flip there stuff and go on a rampage losing composure I'm sure while becoming more violent and aggressive it would fluff wise at least work against them.

Anyone with experience of shield and spear combat would understand why, and when that shield is essentially the shield eternal its going to be even more effective at keeping them at bay.


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 Orblivion wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
There are a few ways memory could be relayed, of course which aren't confirmed. 1: The body is recovered memories up until the point of death are recovered from memory or muscle memory. Or a point upon death his memory is automatically relayed to wherever it needs to go like a instant download transaction. Given that a lot of him is cybernetic its not unbelievable that this guys memories can be installed and transmitted like regular electrical information.

Either way I'm sure he learns a lot. The only time he wouldn't is if he was completely incinerated, suffered un recoverable damage to his head, signalling was blocked or his body was ultimately unobtainable in the head of battle nor afterward.

I think 9 times out of 10 he would remember what killed him and the very mistake he made as it caused him to be slain.

Logon or Dante losing results in them being dead not given the chance to transform or induce the rage of anything.

If dante succumb to the red thirst and the black rage (which he had previously been able to resist to keep his sanity) Moloc still wins, because unlike dante he will return from his deceased state one way or another dante however would need to be killed else carve an unstoppable rampage through his own chapter potentially kicking off a massive chain of angry red marines flipping tables and killing each other.

As for seeing nothing like that, moloc most definitely has. It's a similar condition to which they themselves suffer and have had to over come, since there cursed blood makes them unnaturally violent and aggressive disliking and paranoid of other people fits and bursts of unbridled fearless rage inducing anger are probably things he's dealt with quite often.

Logon is a tough one. I think he is far more dangerous in fluff when he's not fighting initiative 1 then he is on the TT but again like Dante would he be able to stop himself from changing, would he be able to regain control or would the act of the transformation ultimately cause the loss of them both.

Red Thirst and Black Rage are two different things, there is no returning from the Black Rage (unless you're Mephiston) but the Red Thirst can come and go. There have been reports of entire companies falling to the Red Thirst during a particularly intense battle, and having it abate when the fighting was done.

The "too honorable, won't kill a fellow battle brother" argument is crap. We're talking about chapter masters who have fought renegades and chaos marines before, if they see Moloc as a threat they won't hesitate to cleave him in half.

You two are decidedly in the minority here, and the arguments on Moloc's behalf are getting more and more ridiculous. So as my final statement in this discussion I will be ridiculous as well. Dante wins hands down, because as you have pointed out he is an excellent tactician and as such he would be smart enough to not bother fighting Moloc himself. He would simply order Mephiston to curb stomp him.

I just think that Dante isn't all that. Both in the TT and fluff wise.
Logon on the other hand I feel is a wrecking ball and would take Moloc, especially in fluff. Same with calgar but that guy works miracles in fluff so its hard to say he would lose to anyone.


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Then it would turn into a pokemon battle of sending in your champions xD

"Hecaton I choose you"

I still find it funny that Moloc loses to Dante in TT - I honestly didn't expect to see that. I thought Unwieldy would slow him down too much but apparently not.

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Arjac Rockfist - I choose you!

(In TT - I've seen him take down a bloodthirster...some good rolling)

I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante. Dante may be I1, may not be IW and may not be an uber special snowflake to end all snowflakes but the numbers show. On top of that, how do you rationalize that because moloc can come back moloc wins? he died in the brawl he's out of it unless his chapter comes to retrieve him. And if we bring in chapters BT wins by default. In the superweight battle he'd be dead, trampled to death under armored boots and unable to be revived (1000 marines against 999 CM's? not too 1-sided there...). although my vote's still gor the guy who has common sense to bring a big gun to the knife fight.
Mephiston i choose you!

I don't know enough fluff (only read 1 Ragnar book) to throw in an opinion but after reading every post (yes all 7 pages) my money is on Dante. But you gotta remember there's other things to other than who's better equipped and who's got more experience (both very large factors but not the only things). You gotta look at things like whats the setting (arena, Forrest, tunnels, etc) terrain and the ability/wisdom to use it will play a large factor. Personal relationships will play a part as well (does the CM have good personal relationships with 3 CMs and will most likely save those for last). Weather/planetary comditions (150km/hr winds make a shield a huge disadvantage. Large electrical storms make a jump pack a liability). Wounds received from dealing with other CMs prior to this engagement play a part as well as wild card CMs like the salamanders or raven guard (my personal favourite chapter). There's simply not enough factors to make an educated none TT assessment

The arguments about previous victories carry little weight since what works for 1 won't work for another and the argument about coming back is pointless; to come back you have to have lost to do that as stated previously

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante. Dante may be I1, may not be IW and may not be an uber special snowflake to end all snowflakes but the numbers show. On top of that, how do you rationalize that because moloc can come back moloc wins? he died in the brawl he's out of it unless his chapter comes to retrieve him. And if we bring in chapters BT wins by default. In the superweight battle he'd be dead, trampled to death under armored boots and unable to be revived (1000 marines against 999 CM's? not too 1-sided there...). although my vote's still gor the guy who has common sense to bring a big gun to the knife fight.
Mephiston i choose you!

Look call me old fashioned but I think mathhammer is for chumps ive seen mathhammer fail one too many times on those that use it ive seen a punisher tank completely whiff, ive seen a IG heavy weapons team take down a DP, ive had an archons shadow field shrug off 18 wounds from a deathwing termie squad, so you know what you can take that mathammer and put it away the TT is where the truth lies and me and my bestie ran the battle 6 times swapping characters each time and guess what Moloc won 4/6 times soo yup!

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
sorry your right i meant 21st founding whoops but I still say Dante, Calgar, Logan all are lost causes, two other big reasons why despite the one's ive already stated they are honorable Moloc is not where they would hesitate to strike down a battle brother Moloc wouldnt think twice he's mentally unstable and paranoid as hell, second Moloc nor his Minotaurs are no ordinary geneseed there a super super human geneseed with obvious defects, super secret science projects of the adeptas biologicus soo count him off if you want I know the truth all those others are old and outdated and ready for replacement Moloc's whole career has been founded on taking out chapter masters he's a specialist at his craft like no other.

I'm sorry but there is no indication in the fluff that says that Space Marines have some sort of super conscience that prevents them from killing other Space Marines. You are just making stuff up at this point. In the Blood Angel books I read this was never the case. Just read up on Arkio & Rafen. They were even REAL BLOODLINE brother and Rafen still killed Arkio when he needed to.


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 Sasa0mg wrote:
You can assume so but neither have ever done it so you can't be sure. They're is a good chance that they might not in which case they done-pooped.........................

You however can be sure? This whole time you've argued that Moloc would pretty much own ANY OTHER Chapter Master but when we tell you you're talking rubbish you then retort "you can't be sure". Please, enough with the shenanigans now. Its getting tiresome.


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Thatguyhsagun wrote:
I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante. Dante may be I1, may not be IW and may not be an uber special snowflake to end all snowflakes but the numbers show. On top of that, how do you rationalize that because moloc can come back moloc wins? he died in the brawl he's out of it unless his chapter comes to retrieve him. And if we bring in chapters BT wins by default. In the superweight battle he'd be dead, trampled to death under armored boots and unable to be revived (1000 marines against 999 CM's? not too 1-sided there...). although my vote's still gor the guy who has common sense to bring a big gun to the knife fight.
Mephiston i choose you!

I think the assumption they are making is that Moloc is learning, every time he regenerates after being killed. I don't think that is necessarily true.

If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience - George Bernard Shaw

Guys,the important thing is the Poll results and right now Moloc and Logan are tied for first.

Brutal Viking wrote:
I don't know enough fluff (only read 1 Ragnar book) to throw in an opinion but after reading every post (yes all 7 pages) my money is on Dante. But you gotta remember there's other things to other than who's better equipped and who's got more experience (both very large factors but not the only things). You gotta look at things like whats the setting (arena, Forrest, tunnels, etc) terrain and the ability/wisdom to use it will play a large factor. Personal relationships will play a part as well (does the CM have good personal relationships with 3 CMs and will most likely save those for last). Weather/planetary comditions (150km/hr winds make a shield a huge disadvantage. Large electrical storms make a jump pack a liability). Wounds received from dealing with other CMs prior to this engagement play a part as well as wild card CMs like the salamanders or raven guard (my personal favourite chapter). There's simply not enough factors to make an educated none TT assessment

Well you heard them. Moloc suffers from mental disorders and wants to kill every other Space Marine he meets. I honestly think that Dante, Logan, Calgar, Azrael, etc, etc will just team up and beat the absolute crap out of Moloc. Heck Dante and Calgar will hold him while Logan punches him multiple times square in the face.

The arguments about previous victories carry little weight since what works for 1 won't work for another and the argument about coming back is pointless; to come back you have to have lost to do that as stated previously

He doesn't really come back, only his memories come back. Destroy the equipment that holds his memories then destroy him.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante. Dante may be I1, may not be IW and may not be an uber special snowflake to end all snowflakes but the numbers show. On top of that, how do you rationalize that because moloc can come back moloc wins? he died in the brawl he's out of it unless his chapter comes to retrieve him. And if we bring in chapters BT wins by default. In the superweight battle he'd be dead, trampled to death under armored boots and unable to be revived (1000 marines against 999 CM's? not too 1-sided there...). although my vote's still gor the guy who has common sense to bring a big gun to the knife fight.
Mephiston i choose you!

Look call me old fashioned but I think mathhammer is for chumps ive seen mathhammer fail one too many times on those that use it ive seen a punisher tank completely whiff, ive seen a IG heavy weapons team take down a DP, ive had an archons shadow field shrug off 18 wounds from a deathwing termie squad, so you know what you can take that mathammer and put it away the TT is where the truth lies and me and my bestie ran the battle 6 times swapping characters each time and guess what Moloc won 4/6 times soo yup!

Math is bad, OK.

Yes Mr Mackie, we hear you. Wouldn't want to use objective statistics to make a point would we?

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante. Dante may be I1, may not be IW and may not be an uber special snowflake to end all snowflakes but the numbers show. On top of that, how do you rationalize that because moloc can come back moloc wins? he died in the brawl he's out of it unless his chapter comes to retrieve him. And if we bring in chapters BT wins by default. In the superweight battle he'd be dead, trampled to death under armored boots and unable to be revived (1000 marines against 999 CM's? not too 1-sided there...). although my vote's still gor the guy who has common sense to bring a big gun to the knife fight.
Mephiston i choose you!

Look call me old fashioned but I think mathhammer is for chumps ive seen mathhammer fail one too many times on those that use it ive seen a punisher tank completely whiff, ive seen a IG heavy weapons team take down a DP, ive had an archons shadow field shrug off 18 wounds from a deathwing termie squad, so you know what you can take that mathammer and put it away the TT is where the truth lies and me and my bestie ran the battle 6 times swapping characters each time and guess what Moloc won 4/6 times soo yup!

Math hammer speaks to the average. I flipped a coin 6 times just now and got 5 heads and a tails. I then go on a website that allows you to flip a coin with a 50/50 chance of either and told it to calculate 100 flips. 56 heads to 44 tails. Closer to even right? I then told it to calculate 10000 results. 496 heads to 504 tails. Run the simulation 1000 times and you'll see the trend more than if you run it 6 times. And to be sure, you used the mask, (-1 WS, A, I and W) and started them in base to base?

 Happyjew wrote:
Guys,the important thing is the Poll results and right now Moloc and Logan are tied for first.

Actually Dante is out in front now. I didn't realize this was a poll.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
sorry your right i meant 21st founding whoops but I still say Dante, Calgar, Logan all are lost causes, two other big reasons why despite the one's ive already stated they are honorable Moloc is not where they would hesitate to strike down a battle brother Moloc wouldnt think twice he's mentally unstable and paranoid as hell, second Moloc nor his Minotaurs are no ordinary geneseed there a super super human geneseed with obvious defects, super secret science projects of the adeptas biologicus soo count him off if you want I know the truth all those others are old and outdated and ready for replacement Moloc's whole career has been founded on taking out chapter masters he's a specialist at his craft like no other.

I'm sorry but there is no indication in the fluff that says that Space Marines have some sort of super conscience that prevents them from killing other Space Marines. You are just making stuff up at this point. In the Blood Angel books I read this was never the case. Just read up on Arkio & Rafen. They were even REAL BLOODLINE brother and Rafen still killed Arkio when he needed to.


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 Sasa0mg wrote:
You can assume so but neither have ever done it so you can't be sure. They're is a good chance that they might not in which case they done-pooped.........................

You however can be sure? This whole time you've argued that Moloc would pretty much own ANY OTHER Chapter Master but when we tell you you're talking rubbish you then retort "you can't be sure". Please, enough with the shenanigans now. Its getting tiresome.


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Thatguyhsagun wrote:
I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante. Dante may be I1, may not be IW and may not be an uber special snowflake to end all snowflakes but the numbers show. On top of that, how do you rationalize that because moloc can come back moloc wins? he died in the brawl he's out of it unless his chapter comes to retrieve him. And if we bring in chapters BT wins by default. In the superweight battle he'd be dead, trampled to death under armored boots and unable to be revived (1000 marines against 999 CM's? not too 1-sided there...). although my vote's still gor the guy who has common sense to bring a big gun to the knife fight.
Mephiston i choose you!

I think the assumption they are making is that Moloc is learning, every time he regenerates after being killed. I don't think that is necessarily true.

If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience - George Bernard Shaw

Thats the thing im telling you I am sure you keep feeding me the same two stories for both OHHHHHH I beat Skarbrand the EX!!!! khorne champ probably for a reason, and OHHHHHH im some super wolf crap ok there teenwolf all those examples are irrelevant to the ability to kill space marines or chapter masters if you wanna throw skarbrand out there then gak ill throw great boss Tuska (orks) who fought Khorne his self for hours and then after khorne killed him he flipped him off. Now that is hardcore I know it has nothing to do with the argument but man I love that story.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Guys,the important thing is the Poll results and right now Moloc and Logan are tied for first.

Actually Dante is out in front now. I didn't realize this was a poll.

NOOOOO!!!! And I can only vote once...

 Happyjew wrote:
Guys,the important thing is the Poll results and right now Moloc and Logan are tied for first.

There's a poll? *looks* hey there's a poll now! *votes dante*

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
sorry your right i meant 21st founding whoops but I still say Dante, Calgar, Logan all are lost causes, two other big reasons why despite the one's ive already stated they are honorable Moloc is not where they would hesitate to strike down a battle brother Moloc wouldnt think twice he's mentally unstable and paranoid as hell, second Moloc nor his Minotaurs are no ordinary geneseed there a super super human geneseed with obvious defects, super secret science projects of the adeptas biologicus soo count him off if you want I know the truth all those others are old and outdated and ready for replacement Moloc's whole career has been founded on taking out chapter masters he's a specialist at his craft like no other.

I'm sorry but there is no indication in the fluff that says that Space Marines have some sort of super conscience that prevents them from killing other Space Marines. You are just making stuff up at this point. In the Blood Angel books I read this was never the case. Just read up on Arkio & Rafen. They were even REAL BLOODLINE brother and Rafen still killed Arkio when he needed to.


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 Sasa0mg wrote:
You can assume so but neither have ever done it so you can't be sure. They're is a good chance that they might not in which case they done-pooped.........................

You however can be sure? This whole time you've argued that Moloc would pretty much own ANY OTHER Chapter Master but when we tell you you're talking rubbish you then retort "you can't be sure". Please, enough with the shenanigans now. Its getting tiresome.


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Thatguyhsagun wrote:
I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante. Dante may be I1, may not be IW and may not be an uber special snowflake to end all snowflakes but the numbers show. On top of that, how do you rationalize that because moloc can come back moloc wins? he died in the brawl he's out of it unless his chapter comes to retrieve him. And if we bring in chapters BT wins by default. In the superweight battle he'd be dead, trampled to death under armored boots and unable to be revived (1000 marines against 999 CM's? not too 1-sided there...). although my vote's still gor the guy who has common sense to bring a big gun to the knife fight.
Mephiston i choose you!

I think the assumption they are making is that Moloc is learning, every time he regenerates after being killed. I don't think that is necessarily true.

If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience - George Bernard Shaw

Thats the thing im telling you I am sure you keep feeding me the same two stories for both OHHHHHH I beat Skarbrand the EX!!!! khorne champ probably for a reason, and OHHHHHH im some super wolf crap ok there teenwolf all those examples are irrelevant to the ability to kill space marines or chapter masters if you wanna throw skarbrand out there then gak ill throw great boss Tuska (orks) who fought Khorne his self for hours and then after khorne killed him he flipped him off. Now that is hardcore I know it has nothing to do with the argument but man I love that story.

The fact of the matter is Moloc has died several times. All we need to do is kill him one more time, which isn't difficult to do by the sounds of it and then destroy his memories. Easy as that.

hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

no what you guys have been feeding me is crap ohh he wins cus he's awesome, yeah I seen that wow what an argument if thats the case then Moloc wins cus he's........awesome x 1000000 to the second Chuck Norris.


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by the way SGT Chronus I choose you-


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UHH OH Dante and Moloc are tied

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

no what you guys have been feeding me is crap ohh he wins cus he's awesome, yeah I seen that wow what an argument if thats the case then Moloc wins cus he's........awesome x 1000000 to the second Chuck Norris.


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UHH OH Dante and Moloc are tied

I didnt know mathhammer, the fact hes survived on the front lines (and the corruption of his gene-seed), slain Skarbrand and is the best tactical mind the Imperium has to offer (READ: even the UM submitted to his command, and the CA didnt say to) was a load of crap wheras "he has the best the Inqusition can afford and kills other CM's all the time, oh and he's died 7 times in 500 years but its cool because he just gets rebuilt (billion dollar man?)" was super awesome debate prowess that proves he could kill anyone? Also, saying hes able to outmaneuver dante while in TDA? OK C. S. Goto

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

no what you guys have been feeding me is crap ohh he wins cus he's awesome, yeah I seen that wow what an argument if thats the case then Moloc wins cus he's........awesome x 1000000 to the second Chuck Norris.

You have a very selective memory don't you?

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UHH OH Dante and Moloc are tied

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Guys,the important thing is the Poll results and right now Moloc and Logan are tied for first.

There's a poll? *looks* hey there's a poll now! *votes dante*

VOTE FOR PEDRO!

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

no what you guys have been feeding me is crap ohh he wins cus he's awesome, yeah I seen that wow what an argument if thats the case then Moloc wins cus he's........awesome x 1000000 to the second Chuck Norris.

You have a very selective memory don't you?

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UHH OH Dante and Moloc are tied

Doesn't matter, he isn't going to win the poll in the long run.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

no what you guys have been feeding me is crap ohh he wins cus he's awesome, yeah I seen that wow what an argument if thats the case then Moloc wins cus he's........awesome x 1000000 to the second Chuck Norris.


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UHH OH Dante and Moloc are tied

I didnt know mathhammer, the fact hes survived on the front lines (and the corruption of his gene-seed), slain Skarbrand and is the best tactical mind the Imperium has to offer (READ: even the UM submitted to his command, and the CA didnt say to) was a load of crap wheras "he has the best the Inqusition can afford and kills other CM's all the time, oh and he's died 7 times in 500 years but its cool because he just gets rebuilt (billion dollar man?)" was super awesome debate prowess that proves he could kill anyone? Also, saying hes able to outmaneuver dante while in TDA? OK C. S. Goto

here we go he died this he died that AT NO POINT IN ANY IMPERIAL ARMOUR OR ANY TEXT PERTAINING TO MOLOC OR THE MINOTAURS DOES IT SAY HE DIES!!! wow that is annoying its all just specudamnlation and no he might not be able to outmaneuver dante but its not like he cant maneuver around enough to not block any swing at him with his giant shield and its not like he cant blast him out of the sky or frekkin catch him with his spear on his way down.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

no what you guys have been feeding me is crap ohh he wins cus he's awesome, yeah I seen that wow what an argument if thats the case then Moloc wins cus he's........awesome x 1000000 to the second Chuck Norris.


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UHH OH Dante and Moloc are tied

I didnt know mathhammer, the fact hes survived on the front lines (and the corruption of his gene-seed), slain Skarbrand and is the best tactical mind the Imperium has to offer (READ: even the UM submitted to his command, and the CA didnt say to) was a load of crap wheras "he has the best the Inqusition can afford and kills other CM's all the time, oh and he's died 7 times in 500 years but its cool because he just gets rebuilt (billion dollar man?)" was super awesome debate prowess that proves he could kill anyone? Also, saying hes able to outmaneuver dante while in TDA? OK C. S. Goto

here we go he died this he died that AT NO POINT IN ANY IMPERIAL ARMOUR OR ANY TEXT PERTAINING TO MOLOC OR THE MINOTAURS DOES IT SAY HE DIES!!! wow that is annoying its all just specudamnlation and no he might not be able to outmaneuver dante but its not like he cant maneuver around enough to not block any swing at him with his giant shield and its not like he cant blast him out of the sky or frekkin catch him with his spear on his way down.

Ever try stabbing a guy behind you with a spear in armor that doesn't let you move your arms ( and funnily enough seems to reposition them above your head and behind your ears? im serious look at the terminator captain)? i havent but it seems like itd be quite difficult. Also if he didnt die why did he change 7 times in 500 years?

If hes so damn tactical he should know to not go after him at all because he has him beat at long medium and close range and let him and Calgar settle there differences since ultrasmurfs have such disdain for the minotaurs.


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Night all love you guys be back in the morn.

Lia Issodon of the Raptors would be in the corner, perfectly camouflaged, sniping everyone. Headshots all around.