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 bigboss1o1 wrote:
If hes so damn tactical he should know to not go after him at all because he has him beat at long medium and close range and let him and Calgar settle there differences since ultrasmurfs have such disdain for the minotaurs.

So he wins, he wins or he wins how does Moloc beat him? he gets a single shot that has less than a 50% chance to kill him (too tired to bother the math hammer) whereas Dante has a meltagun that he can use repeatedly. Means short range dante wins. Melee youve already seen the numbers, dante wins. Calgar kills him, Dante wins. Moloc gets calgar dante mops him up because hes wounded. Or plays it smarter and leaves him alone to die by anothers hand. Sure dante may die, but not to moloc. We've proven that.


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 King Pariah wrote:
Lia Issodon of the Raptors would be in the corner, perfectly camouflaged, sniping everyone. Headshots all around.

Muzzle flash and bang make for an easy identification. Also, its a brawl so we're focusing on the melee aspect. Also if we do homebrew id like to point out my current CM is in a Venerable Ironclad armor with a hurricane melta array and an I5 thunder hammer... sure he costs 325 points but he aint gonna die to anything short of a Cfist or Mbomb

Voted Moloc since Minotaurs specialize in destroying marines.

Moloc would win the rest of the sets anyways, Dante notwithstanding.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
hey despite all the arguing I want you to know I love you guys Im currently deployed and this forum I made has kept me occupied for the past couple of days i love to argue lol keep it coming boys I still got some fight in me Im going night night but ill be back in the morn with more research lol

Research? Is that what you call it. Where I come from that's called crap.

no what you guys have been feeding me is crap ohh he wins cus he's awesome, yeah I seen that wow what an argument if thats the case then Moloc wins cus he's........awesome x 1000000 to the second Chuck Norris.


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UHH OH Dante and Moloc are tied

I didnt know mathhammer, the fact hes survived on the front lines (and the corruption of his gene-seed), slain Skarbrand and is the best tactical mind the Imperium has to offer (READ: even the UM submitted to his command, and the CA didnt say to) was a load of crap wheras "he has the best the Inqusition can afford and kills other CM's all the time, oh and he's died 7 times in 500 years but its cool because he just gets rebuilt (billion dollar man?)" was super awesome debate prowess that proves he could kill anyone? Also, saying hes able to outmaneuver dante while in TDA? OK C. S. Goto

here we go he died this he died that AT NO POINT IN ANY IMPERIAL ARMOUR OR ANY TEXT PERTAINING TO MOLOC OR THE MINOTAURS DOES IT SAY HE DIES!!! wow that is annoying its all just specudamnlation and no he might not be able to outmaneuver dante but its not like he cant maneuver around enough to not block any swing at him with his giant shield and its not like he cant blast him out of the sky or frekkin catch him with his spear on his way down.

If he doesn't die then whats all this about his memories being transmitted from him onto his successor. Can you please get your story straight?

They're saying he wins the fight after Dante kills him because there are unsupported claims he downloads his memories of the fight afterwards

So...he's an Astartes version of the Swarmlord?

 Happyjew wrote:
So...he's an Astartes version of the Swarmlord?

I'm pretty sure the raven guard CM would win anyway, shrike is pretty beast and he's not even the boss . He re-rolls 1 miss and re-rolls wounds plus given that he keeps his I5 with the claws

Bigboss is a troll... don't feed it, they just grow larger, louder, and less logical.

The second he's claiming Moloc has more renown feats and that the Big 3 would hesitate tells me he's either a little kid or a blind fanboy whose not actually up on his fluff. You're arguing against a wall of willful ignorance at this point folks, move on, nothing to see here at the troll cage.

Don't the blood ravens get to have a chance? Out of all these guys, I'm more attached to Gabriel Angelos than any of them, and he's pretty awesome.

First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

You should retread the first post... He says not tabletop so you running it with dice is moot, I only referenced stats to represent his speed and such

Chapter Master Temperus Maximus of the Angry Marines....

He has a Adamantium Cigar.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15052515/images/1306399441563.png
and a powerchair it seems.

failing that Moloc, cause he looks so much cooler, and will go 300 on those other wimps butts.

 Lobukia wrote:
Bigboss is a troll... don't feed it, they just grow larger, louder, and less logical.

The second he's claiming Moloc has more renown feats and that the Big 3 would hesitate tells me he's either a little kid or a blind fanboy whose not actually up on his fluff. You're arguing against a wall of willful ignorance at this point folks, move on, nothing to see here at the troll cage.

I never claimed that he has more renowned feats I said he has more renowned feats that are relevant to this brawl the only trolls here are the ones who keep twisting up every said thing about Moloc and saying OOOOOOOOOH Dante because he beat skarbrand and is some badass tactician GOOD FOR YOU.. now Ill give Dante his due he would do some damage but I assure you realistically speaking Dante would fall in the end.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

If your whole thing is melee range combat, then let's throw Belial in the mix with his fleshbane sword.

Niexist wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

If your whole thing is melee range combat, then let's throw Belial in the mix with his fleshbane sword.

not a CM

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Niexist wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

If your whole thing is melee range combat, then let's throw Belial in the mix with his fleshbane sword.

not a CM

Yeah because Azrael couldn't just say to Belial, "Hey broham, need that sword for a min, gotta hand Moloc his butt."

Oh, some facts on Moloc, page 176 BWv2: Only one shot from the Black Spear, which is a relic blade.

Moloc tries and fails to kill a Dark Apostle, Huron, and can't finish the job against the Lamenters. There is no mention of him being reborn in the BW books, so thats not even a thing.

Now lets go to Moloc in fall of Orpheus. He's clearly not that BA in the Badab War, just having a complete lack of honor and suspect genetic origins going for him (World Eater). The 21st founding is known for having been an attempt to use the time locked geneseeds from the excommunicated legions and it failed epically (except for maybe the Blood Ravens). (EDIT: found it, still only an engram at best) He gets an AP2 blade, and that's about it. I can't see him topping the successful CMs

In fact the allusion to shared experiences would be his trusty side-kick chaplain who appears to be the real mind behind it all with Moloc just being the idiot muscle.

 Lobukia wrote:
Oh, some facts on Moloc, page 176 BWv2: Only one shot from the Black Spear, which is a relic blade.

Moloc tries and fails to kill a Dark Apostle, Huron, and can't finish the job against the Lamenters. There is no mention of him being reborn in the BW books, so thats not even a thing.

Now lets go to Moloc in fall of Orpheus. He's clearly not that BA in the Badab War, just having a complete lack of honor and suspect genetic origins going for him (World Eater). The 21st founding is known for having been an attempt to use the time locked geneseeds from the excommunicated legions and it failed epically (except for maybe the Blood Ravens). I find nothing in the book to suggest that he can be reborn in any way other than name. (EDIT: found it, still only an engram at best) He gets an AP2 blade,

In fact the allusion to shared experiences would be his trusty side-kick chaplain who appears to be the real mind behind it all with Moloc just being the idiot muscle.

Uhhhh you might want to reread that the dark apostle is beaten and retreats, Huron beaten and retreats, lamenters crushed and forced into a humiliating surrender.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

And we're done. Thanks for playing folks!

Hey bigboss, I don't remember Moloc beating any Greater Daemons in the fluff, or really anyone personally for that matter. The Minotaurs themselves are have a bigger condition of kleptomania than the Blood Ravens do.

I voted Dante. On the TT we know he beats Moloc, and in the fluff he seems to have more feats to his name. Also, I'd rather have a CM who knows how to stay alive by fighting when he needs to instead of a guy that puts himself on the forefront to die in "glorius" combat.

Lucarikx

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

And we're done. Thanks for playing folks!

Do I need to get you a shovel and pale so you can get all that sand out of your sacred wound.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

And we're done. Thanks for playing folks!

Do I need to get you a shovel and pale so you can get all that sand out of your sacred wound.

No, you need to learn how basic probability calculation works. For what it's worth, I put Moloc up against a Scout and the Scout won 4/6. See how silly that is?

Disregarding TT (where the numbers show on average dante wins) what has Moloc killed thats actually big and bad? im sure his chapter clashing against another is quite a stunt ut what did Moloc himself kill? In the fluff dante takes on a Greater Daemon (ex) champion of khorne and wins. Pair that with him fighting for centuries every enemy of the imperium (the faceless masses to fall before his blade) and i think its clear

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Disregarding TT (where the numbers show on average dante wins) what has Moloc killed thats actually big and bad? im sure his chapter clashing against another is quite a stunt ut what did Moloc himself kill? In the fluff dante takes on a Greater Daemon (ex) champion of khorne and wins. Pair that with him fighting for centuries every enemy of the imperium (the faceless masses to fall before his blade) and i think its clear

Except the thing about Skarbrand is that it's been branded a myth, not actual fact. Quoted from the Blood Angels codex:

So long now has Dante lived that his exploits have passed into myth. It is now impossible to say how many Ork heads Dante cleaved at the Liberation of Canau, for the tally grows greater each time the story is recounted. Did Dante truly defeat the Bloodthirster Skarbrand before the Gates of Pandemonium? Was it indeed a single mighty blow that clove the daemon in twain? Only Dante himself can say with certainty. Yet he speaks not on such events, no matter how much the exaggerated nature of such tales must rankle his warrior pride.

And even then it still speaks like a tall tale. Skarbrand being killed in one hit by Dante's normal weapon? I know the Avatar's are now shown as weaklings to be killed, but one of the greatest of Khorne's Generals being taken down in one hit?

1: People need to relax, can't help but feel the debate is getting into highrate argument territory.

2: The fact that dante is top of the space marine chapter masters just makes me believe that there are far, far too many blood angels fans here to be ignoring Logon, Calgar and dispite everyones apparent hate Moloc.

You however can be sure? This whole time you've argued that Moloc would pretty much own ANY OTHER Chapter Master but when we tell you you're talking rubbish you then retort "you can't be sure". Please, enough with the shenanigans now. Its getting tiresome.

I'm not in the mind moloc would beat any other chapter master. Dante however has a mask and an axe and has absolutely nothing overtly special going for him other then the fact he's so incredibly old.

Also given that Minotaur were one of the first 21 founding cursed legion if you want to include 'unsurities' as definite then we can assume that moloc may potentially date back to just after the horus heresy when the Minotaur disappeared off the universe into secrecy. Ir respectable of the amount of times he has died he has always come back which would make him more of a veteran of combat then dante.

Also bare in mind due to him being a forge world chapter master and chapter there isn't as much thorough history written just in the brief documents he is named as being an extremely awe inspiring fighter who has had a number of named personal victories and over the course of several centuries even in defeat has not been defeated and never lost.

I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante.

Once and for all we need to leave mathhammer out of this completely as we who support moloc have been told several times not to involve it as its not in the OP.

My 2 cents on that however is I'm unsure of the process of said math hammer or where the information / data comes from but ultimately the only edge dante has is his mask and as far as fluff goes, he just might not look at it. He has a shield and it works for several reasons.

Also has anyone seen a gladiator fighting with a spear or shield? Maybe even 300 would prove to be enough evidence as to how thats going to work with a slow single ax vs a spear and shield the ability to both block and thrust simultaneously gives moloc quite a significant advantage in pure combat style.

As for the argument about his terminator armor slowing him down. Ugh... The terminator armour he is wearing is not your average 'space hulk boarding armor" or even your decaying adeptus astartes current edition terminator armor. This is the best most expensive and advanced armor money can buy. The stuff people don't put marines in because they're lives aren't worth the cost or potential loss of the suit of armor.

I also have to say in regards to characters there is little to no evidence that it slows people down, the emperor wore terminator armor, horus wore terminator armor, abaddon wears terminator armor, Draigo wears terminator armor, lysander, logon etc etc and of all the things that physically impair there capability in combat i.e there reaction speed, weapon proficiency it is there WEAPONS, the two handed axes, the power fist, the thunder hammer if not for that these units of terminator armor really don't slow people down and when you get to the terminator armor that Moloc is actually wearing he has no less maneuverability on the spot then any other marine, he merely can't run the same. His ability to turn, thrust an arm, raise another to turn block thrust is not hindered at all.

Also I think you would need to challenge the high lords of terra in order to obtain Moloc's collective memory in order to destroy him.

I think dante would just make himself a martyr of his own primarch, come in with his balls held high thinking he's going in with 1100 years of I know I do best I haven't died before getting a rude awakening prior to falling over pa-lop like his primarch did to oh hay, someone in terminator armor. It would almost be an action replay!

(xD lol)

But seriously some people seem to be getting really leery in regards to this debate, chillout xD that goes for bigboss too


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I think Logon and calgar would take Dante as well in all honesty.

But calgar vs logon is a tough one. I think they are both out of Moloc's league, logon only slightly but again Calgar... the stuff that guy has done with his bare hands you can only look questioningly at the magic he can pull fluff wise.

 Sasa0mg wrote:

Spoiler:

1: People need to relax, can't help but feel the debate is getting into highrate argument territory.

2: The fact that dante is top of the space marine chapter masters just makes me believe that there are far, far too many blood angels fans here to be ignoring Logon, Calgar and dispite everyones apparent hate Moloc.

You however can be sure? This whole time you've argued that Moloc would pretty much own ANY OTHER Chapter Master but when we tell you you're talking rubbish you then retort "you can't be sure". Please, enough with the shenanigans now. Its getting tiresome.

I'm not in the mind moloc would beat any other chapter master. Dante however has a mask and an axe and has absolutely nothing overtly special going for him other then the fact he's so incredibly old.

Also given that Minotaur were one of the first 21 founding cursed legion if you want to include 'unsurities' as definite then we can assume that moloc may potentially date back to just after the horus heresy when the Minotaur disappeared off the universe into secrecy. Ir respectable of the amount of times he has died he has always come back which would make him more of a veteran of combat then dante.

Also bare in mind due to him being a forge world chapter master and chapter there isn't as much thorough history written just in the brief documents he is named as being an extremely awe inspiring fighter who has had a number of named personal victories and over the course of several centuries even in defeat has not been defeated and never lost.

I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante.

Once and for all we need to leave mathhammer out of this completely as we who support moloc have been told several times not to involve it as its not in the OP.

My 2 cents on that however is I'm unsure of the process of said math hammer or where the information / data comes from but ultimately the only edge dante has is his mask and as far as fluff goes, he just might not look at it. He has a shield and it works for several reasons.

Also has anyone seen a gladiator fighting with a spear or shield? Maybe even 300 would prove to be enough evidence as to how thats going to work with a slow single ax vs a spear and shield the ability to both block and thrust simultaneously gives moloc quite a significant advantage in pure combat style.

As for the argument about his terminator armor slowing him down. Ugh... The terminator armour he is wearing is not your average 'space hulk boarding armor" or even your decaying adeptus astartes current edition terminator armor. This is the best most expensive and advanced armor money can buy. The stuff people don't put marines in because they're lives aren't worth the cost or potential loss of the suit of armor.

I also have to say in regards to characters there is little to no evidence that it slows people down, the emperor wore terminator armor, horus wore terminator armor, abaddon wears terminator armor, Draigo wears terminator armor, lysander, logon etc etc and of all the things that physically impair there capability in combat i.e there reaction speed, weapon proficiency it is there WEAPONS, the two handed axes, the power fist, the thunder hammer if not for that these units of terminator armor really don't slow people down and when you get to the terminator armor that Moloc is actually wearing he has no less maneuverability on the spot then any other marine, he merely can't run the same. His ability to turn, thrust an arm, raise another to turn block thrust is not hindered at all.

Also I think you would need to challenge the high lords of terra in order to obtain Moloc's collective memory in order to destroy him.

I think dante would just make himself a martyr of his own primarch, come in with his balls held high thinking he's going in with 1100 years of I know I do best I haven't died before getting a rude awakening prior to falling over pa-lop like his primarch did to oh hay, someone in terminator armor. It would almost be an action replay!

(xD lol)

But seriously some people seem to be getting really leery in regards to this debate, chillout xD that goes for bigboss too

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I think Logon and calgar would take Dante as well in all honesty.

But calgar vs logon is a tough one. I think they are both out of Moloc's league, logon only slightly but again Calgar... the stuff that guy has done with his bare hands you can only look questioningly at the magic he can pull fluff wise.

Gotta love Plot armor and 20 years of Codex: Ultramarines

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:

Spoiler:

1: People need to relax, can't help but feel the debate is getting into highrate argument territory.

2: The fact that dante is top of the space marine chapter masters just makes me believe that there are far, far too many blood angels fans here to be ignoring Logon, Calgar and dispite everyones apparent hate Moloc.

You however can be sure? This whole time you've argued that Moloc would pretty much own ANY OTHER Chapter Master but when we tell you you're talking rubbish you then retort "you can't be sure". Please, enough with the shenanigans now. Its getting tiresome.

I'm not in the mind moloc would beat any other chapter master. Dante however has a mask and an axe and has absolutely nothing overtly special going for him other then the fact he's so incredibly old.

Also given that Minotaur were one of the first 21 founding cursed legion if you want to include 'unsurities' as definite then we can assume that moloc may potentially date back to just after the horus heresy when the Minotaur disappeared off the universe into secrecy. Ir respectable of the amount of times he has died he has always come back which would make him more of a veteran of combat then dante.

Also bare in mind due to him being a forge world chapter master and chapter there isn't as much thorough history written just in the brief documents he is named as being an extremely awe inspiring fighter who has had a number of named personal victories and over the course of several centuries even in defeat has not been defeated and never lost.

I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante.

Once and for all we need to leave mathhammer out of this completely as we who support moloc have been told several times not to involve it as its not in the OP.

My 2 cents on that however is I'm unsure of the process of said math hammer or where the information / data comes from but ultimately the only edge dante has is his mask and as far as fluff goes, he just might not look at it. He has a shield and it works for several reasons.

Also has anyone seen a gladiator fighting with a spear or shield? Maybe even 300 would prove to be enough evidence as to how thats going to work with a slow single ax vs a spear and shield the ability to both block and thrust simultaneously gives moloc quite a significant advantage in pure combat style.

As for the argument about his terminator armor slowing him down. Ugh... The terminator armour he is wearing is not your average 'space hulk boarding armor" or even your decaying adeptus astartes current edition terminator armor. This is the best most expensive and advanced armor money can buy. The stuff people don't put marines in because they're lives aren't worth the cost or potential loss of the suit of armor.

I also have to say in regards to characters there is little to no evidence that it slows people down, the emperor wore terminator armor, horus wore terminator armor, abaddon wears terminator armor, Draigo wears terminator armor, lysander, logon etc etc and of all the things that physically impair there capability in combat i.e there reaction speed, weapon proficiency it is there WEAPONS, the two handed axes, the power fist, the thunder hammer if not for that these units of terminator armor really don't slow people down and when you get to the terminator armor that Moloc is actually wearing he has no less maneuverability on the spot then any other marine, he merely can't run the same. His ability to turn, thrust an arm, raise another to turn block thrust is not hindered at all.

Also I think you would need to challenge the high lords of terra in order to obtain Moloc's collective memory in order to destroy him.

I think dante would just make himself a martyr of his own primarch, come in with his balls held high thinking he's going in with 1100 years of I know I do best I haven't died before getting a rude awakening prior to falling over pa-lop like his primarch did to oh hay, someone in terminator armor. It would almost be an action replay!

(xD lol)

But seriously some people seem to be getting really leery in regards to this debate, chillout xD that goes for bigboss too

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I think Logon and calgar would take Dante as well in all honesty.

But calgar vs logon is a tough one. I think they are both out of Moloc's league, logon only slightly but again Calgar... the stuff that guy has done with his bare hands you can only look questioningly at the magic he can pull fluff wise.

Gotta love Plot armor and 20 years of Codex: Ultramarines

Thank you for making my Moloc Dante point although I must admit in the end I dont think Moloc would win simply because everyone hates him he has no even somewhat chance of any kind of ally and we all know Calgar would probably go right for him I think Dante is overrated as hell I think the only one he would really be able to take down completely would be his own buddy Seth.


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You know what Sasa you might have done it I think its safe to progress this, all the Dante fanboys are gone lol I wish I knew more about Logan then I do about Calgar although from what I hear Tu' Shen is a force to be reckoned with as well.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:

Spoiler:

1: People need to relax, can't help but feel the debate is getting into highrate argument territory.

2: The fact that dante is top of the space marine chapter masters just makes me believe that there are far, far too many blood angels fans here to be ignoring Logon, Calgar and dispite everyones apparent hate Moloc.

You however can be sure? This whole time you've argued that Moloc would pretty much own ANY OTHER Chapter Master but when we tell you you're talking rubbish you then retort "you can't be sure". Please, enough with the shenanigans now. Its getting tiresome.

I'm not in the mind moloc would beat any other chapter master. Dante however has a mask and an axe and has absolutely nothing overtly special going for him other then the fact he's so incredibly old.

Also given that Minotaur were one of the first 21 founding cursed legion if you want to include 'unsurities' as definite then we can assume that moloc may potentially date back to just after the horus heresy when the Minotaur disappeared off the universe into secrecy. Ir respectable of the amount of times he has died he has always come back which would make him more of a veteran of combat then dante.

Also bare in mind due to him being a forge world chapter master and chapter there isn't as much thorough history written just in the brief documents he is named as being an extremely awe inspiring fighter who has had a number of named personal victories and over the course of several centuries even in defeat has not been defeated and never lost.

I love how people still fight for Moloc when we've already seen the mathhammer-he loses to Dante.

Once and for all we need to leave mathhammer out of this completely as we who support moloc have been told several times not to involve it as its not in the OP.

My 2 cents on that however is I'm unsure of the process of said math hammer or where the information / data comes from but ultimately the only edge dante has is his mask and as far as fluff goes, he just might not look at it. He has a shield and it works for several reasons.

Also has anyone seen a gladiator fighting with a spear or shield? Maybe even 300 would prove to be enough evidence as to how thats going to work with a slow single ax vs a spear and shield the ability to both block and thrust simultaneously gives moloc quite a significant advantage in pure combat style.

As for the argument about his terminator armor slowing him down. Ugh... The terminator armour he is wearing is not your average 'space hulk boarding armor" or even your decaying adeptus astartes current edition terminator armor. This is the best most expensive and advanced armor money can buy. The stuff people don't put marines in because they're lives aren't worth the cost or potential loss of the suit of armor.

I also have to say in regards to characters there is little to no evidence that it slows people down, the emperor wore terminator armor, horus wore terminator armor, abaddon wears terminator armor, Draigo wears terminator armor, lysander, logon etc etc and of all the things that physically impair there capability in combat i.e there reaction speed, weapon proficiency it is there WEAPONS, the two handed axes, the power fist, the thunder hammer if not for that these units of terminator armor really don't slow people down and when you get to the terminator armor that Moloc is actually wearing he has no less maneuverability on the spot then any other marine, he merely can't run the same. His ability to turn, thrust an arm, raise another to turn block thrust is not hindered at all.

Also I think you would need to challenge the high lords of terra in order to obtain Moloc's collective memory in order to destroy him.

I think dante would just make himself a martyr of his own primarch, come in with his balls held high thinking he's going in with 1100 years of I know I do best I haven't died before getting a rude awakening prior to falling over pa-lop like his primarch did to oh hay, someone in terminator armor. It would almost be an action replay!

(xD lol)

But seriously some people seem to be getting really leery in regards to this debate, chillout xD that goes for bigboss too

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I think Logon and calgar would take Dante as well in all honesty.

But calgar vs logon is a tough one. I think they are both out of Moloc's league, logon only slightly but again Calgar... the stuff that guy has done with his bare hands you can only look questioningly at the magic he can pull fluff wise.

Gotta love Plot armor and 20 years of Codex: Ultramarines

Thank you for making my Moloc Dante point although I must admit in the end I dont think Moloc would win simply because everyone hates him he has no even somewhat chance of any kind of ally and we all know Calgar would probably go right for him I think Dante is overrated as hell I think the only one he would really be able to take down completely would be his own buddy Seth.


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You know what Sasa you might have done it I think its safe to progress this, all the Dante fanboys are gone lol I wish I knew more about Logan then I do about Calgar although from what I hear Tu' Shen is a force to be reckoned with as well.

You really call dante overrated? XD as opposed to the Iron Hands CM maybe but moloc has to be the most specialist snowflake of them all. And for the reference im a sallies fanboy theres just almost 0 background on Tu'Shan so you cant really take him into account as accurately as those that have actual models. Hell the only fluff i have seen on him is him giving command to dante and that within the Tome of Fire trilogy (anyone know where i can find more?)

Tu'Shan seems to be kinda illusive. Theres more background on Vulkan He'Stan then his own chapter master, which is kinda lame.