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So with the new codex space marines out and its chapter tactics being so specific on who they belong to, do you think people will care if I took my yellow imperial fists but use iron hand chapter tactics instead of imperial fists?

What if I run tigerius but everyone else in the army has a fist mark on their shoulderpad instead of the ultramarine "U".


I think this is an interesting topic because it is a version of 'counts as' but kind of not at the same time since all of the chapter tactics rules and all of the various chapter special characters are in one book.

What do you think?


 
   
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 ivangterrace wrote:
So with the new codex space marines out and its chapter tactics being so specific on who they belong to, do you think people will care if I took my yellow imperial fists but use iron hand chapter tactics instead of imperial fists?

What if I run tigerius but everyone else in the army has a fist mark on their shoulderpad instead of the ultramarine "U".


I think this is an interesting topic because it is a version of 'counts as' but kind of not at the same time since all of the chapter tactics rules and all of the various chapter special characters are in one book.

What do you think?


so long as you tell people you are playing ultramarines. then there is no problem using tigerius no matter what color your marines are.

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Clearly they are simply an Iron Hands successor chapter with similar iconography to the IF. Sorted.

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I'd be very confused. That fist is clearly not a hand!
   
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Muulka wrote:
Clearly they are simply an Iron Hands successor chapter with similar iconography to the IF. Sorted.


They are the closed iron hands clearly.

Hell i love using my Yellow imp fists as angry marines (Black Templar) all the time

just gota make a funny story out of it.

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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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Yokosuka, JP

I remember how back in 5th edition, people would run their CSM as space wolves and people would get upset about it when the reality was that the only difference between a chaos marine and a grey hunter are looks but all the weaponry and the type of armor are the same.

Do you think codex space marines will have the same sort of issue and debates based on my examples earlier?


 
   
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nah. your good. unless your up against Mr. Noproxyatall. but dont worry about him

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You would get just the tiniest amount of down-looking from me in secret, as I'd suspect you were "codex hopping" within your own codex, but I wouldn't even mention it.

Of course if you explain what's going on to your opponent they should have no problems with it.

Honestly, the fact that you managed to show up with painted miniatures from the correct army more than covers for any proxying you'd have to be doing, especially when the proxying affects an army-wide trait, rather than anything on the model itself (other than its paint job).


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Can allways convert or buy your own IF libby and just call him tig.
Just make sure the wargear is the same and its clear on your list who he is.
Even telling the other player before the game helps.

Ive played tons of armies that use a different chapter character because it fits well or looks good.

Heck, ive even run vulkan in my iron hands because his rules fit the fluff better than any other character at the time

   
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 Ailaros wrote:
You would get just the tiniest amount of down-looking from me in secret, as I'd suspect you were "codex hopping" within your own codex, but I wouldn't even mention it.

Of course if you explain what's going on to your opponent they should have no problems with it.

Honestly, the fact that you managed to show up with painted miniatures from the correct army more than covers for any proxying you'd have to be doing, especially when the proxying affects an army-wide trait, rather than anything on the model itself (other than its paint job).



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Why not just play the army you clearly liked in the first place instead of selling them out for a couple rules? Pretty petty.

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Provided you use the corresponding Chapter Tactics and explain it to your opponent you should be fine.

Watch out for TFG that will try to ruin for you by insisting IF need to use the IF chapter tactics though.

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Watch out for TFG who insists you play the army you put on the board.

What a jerk,

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Space marine is space marine. Just make sure they know which tactics you are using. If you wanted to run Thousand Sons as Space marines of the Iperial Fist chapter....as long as you tell people what you are doing..knock yourself out.

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 Desubot wrote:
Muulka wrote:
Clearly they are simply an Iron Hands successor chapter with similar iconography to the IF. Sorted.


They are the closed iron hands clearly.

Hell i love using my Yellow imp fists as angry marines (Black Templar) all the time

just gota make a funny story out of it.


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 ivangterrace wrote:
So with the new codex space marines out and its chapter tactics being so specific on who they belong to, do you think people will care if I took my yellow imperial fists but use iron hand chapter tactics instead of imperial fists?

What if I run tigerius but everyone else in the army has a fist mark on their shoulderpad instead of the ultramarine "U".


I think this is an interesting topic because it is a version of 'counts as' but kind of not at the same time since all of the chapter tactics rules and all of the various chapter special characters are in one book.

What do you think?


The only people that would get gakky about you doing that are the same douches that claim a black battle wagon doesn't benefit from the red paint job upgrade.

Smack them with your codex.

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black as in just base coated or using a black colour scheme? Call me a stickler for it, but when a vehicle has an upgrade called red paint job and there isn't even a red racing stripe (or just something on it red) then I'm a little disappointed.
   
 
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