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Good thing I picked up a bunch second hand for resale. Looks like the value is rising.

 Therion wrote:
...and in general it's strange an armour would be designed specifically for women.

No, it's strange that people still don't get that armour should be designed specifically for women. It wouldn't look like this, but poorly fitted armour designed for a man is bad for combat effectiveness.

 Therion wrote:
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So I stay with my original assessment. I don't like the pose nor the face, and I generally don't like the cupped breastplates because I'm not twelve anymore.
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You stopped liking boobs at 12? That's when I started liking boobs. Love this artwork, looks amazing, and looking forward to the update.

The boobie armor haters don't get, it is Imperial propaganda! Believe in the emperor and thay femininity cup shall Runneth over.

Hope they will make some plastic figures!

Don't want to ruin your fun guys, but I don't think the whole "price fixes YAY" movement gets it right.

Sure, heavy flamers will probably drop from 20 to 10, but it ALSO means that heavy bolters will probably go from the steal they are in 5, to the normal SM 10.
And lets be honest, dirt cheap heavy bolters was part of the reason they worked so well to begin with, especially the rets.

Hopefully the "new codex" will encourage new playstyles, but not ruin the existing ones. (say, if the HB goes up to normal 10, but the cost per sister drops to 10-11, it will balance each other out when you take only a few HB, will be a bit more costly to spam like they used to, but will be more attractive to field other guns)

But the main thing I wonder about, is how they "fixed" the faith system, as we all know the current "d6 no matter what" does not work, its tons in small games, luck of the dice in medium, and never enough at large games.


None of it will be worth anything without new models though...

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

What information do we actually have that is accurate?

Well, obviously there's the White Dwarf ad that you can see in the OP, and theGW Facebook posts. Our own evildrcheese also spoke to Cruddace at games day and got some more tidbits. These sources are the only places that we're getting our information from, and they're all from GW employees.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
As far as I know everything else is quoted of unofficial sources.

Hardly. White Dwarf and the Digital Editions Facebook page are both indisuptably official sources. And the chat with Cruddace, while not official, is certainly solid evidence. Cruddace would be in a position to know, obviously. Again, these are the only places that we're really drawing info from, they're all pretty trustworthy.

 pretre wrote:
Tweaking old rules - .......Where? (Original WD announcement saying they were being updated for 6th) Also Cruddace said that faith was looked at to try and make it scale better, as well as some points tweaks

You pretty much covered everything. Though I've made one small addition, in italics.

 BoomWolf wrote:
None of it will be worth anything without new models though...

I disagree. The improved gameplay granted by the scaling faith (though obviously we don't know how successful they were with this) and warlord traits will be welcome boons. The points tweaks could also come out in our favour overall, rather than against us. We'll have to wait and see to have a definite answer on that, though I think that overall we had more problems than cheese on that front, so hopefully it'll be a net gain. In addition, all of the positive reactions that this is getting aren't to be disregarded. Just look at how many people are taking an interest in the Sisters because of this, it'll certainly be good for their sales and publicity. Likewise, GW is going to see this hype. Just on that digital editions Facebook page, they said that they'd been inundated with questions about the new codex. There could well be a spike in sales of the models too, which is definetely something that they'll take note of.

Sure, new models would be great, and ultimately the long-term goal, but let's not disregard the benefits granted by this digital codex.

 BoomWolf wrote:
None of it will be worth anything without new models though...

Depends. If we get a 15/25 Relic that turns the armor save of the bearer and it's unit into a 3++ (2++ if you have a 2+ save) Shield of Faith armor, that will definitely be worth something, even though not as much as new models.
Return of the 3++ sisters and 2++ canoness ! Spirit of the martyr ! . Take that, Heldrakes !
Also, some Relic that makes psyker auto-Peril would be awesome against eldars, tyranids and tzeentch !

Its not new models, but even I'm feeling positive about this. I'm going to buy it without hesitation.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Its not new models, but even I'm feeling positive about this. I'm going to buy it without hesitation.

This. I already own the WD Codex. But even if there aren't any new things in this digital release (which is false anyway), I would still buy this if nothing more than to show GW that there is demand for SoB AS stuff.

I don't like the boob-cups either, but really, it's just an aesthetic thing. I'd prefer something closer to a gothic breastplate style, as that would represent my vision of Sisters better.

Something like an ornate, Fleur-decorated version of one of this, perhaps with a more prominent chest and hip if you had to make it more feminine (But no boob-cups).

Heh. One very positive thing about the name change: a less controversial acronym.

I've been hesitant to buy my girlfriend the Sisters she wanted for her birthday. With this codex coming out a week or so before the big day, I think she and I will both be overjoyed with this release.

Looks like I will be getting some sister allies for my Templars.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
I've been hesitant to buy my girlfriend the Sisters she wanted for her birthday. With this codex coming out a week or so before the big day, I think she and I will both be overjoyed with this release.

Wait till she sees how much an Sisters army is going to cost.

 Breotan wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
I've been hesitant to buy my girlfriend the Sisters she wanted for her birthday. With this codex coming out a week or so before the big day, I think she and I will both be overjoyed with this release.

Wait till she sees how much an Sisters army is going to cost.

I know Fingers crossed for a possible price-cut and/or switch to plastic. I personally like metal minis, but the Sisters need to get some new sculpts.
If the new Sisters are less competitive than DA, I'll probably just buy her some DA, maybe 'Nids in hopes that their new codex will be good.

I just noticed something...is that sister wearing lipstick? Is that a thing?

 Troike wrote:
Heh. One very positive thing about the name change: a less controversial acronym.

Going from mean SoBs to nice Adepta Sororita's? No way a little pluralization of AS is going to get people in trouble with the filters a/o Mods, or at least spawn some off-color jokes.

Particularly given the army we are talking about...

 Revarien wrote:
Looks to be Anna Steinbauer art. Beautiful stuff!

I know this is a stop gap release, but that also means we'll be getting something bigger/better down the road. <3 it!

Went to her site, found it. I guess you're right.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
You stopped liking boobs at 12? That's when I started liking boobs. Love this artwork, looks amazing, and looking forward to the update.

^ THIS ^

I might sculpt larger breast armour because -

1. It looks great.
2. It'll annoy the puritanical boob haters.
3. See #1.

with digital codex's can one print them out if you buy one?


I ask as I've never bothered buying one before due to having no tablet and an annoying phone.

However sisters may finally tempt me!

It will make putting my old models on eBay slightly more long winded - Sisters of Battle / Adepta Sororitas (whatever)

I like the art style but not the pose. Too 'girly with a gun' rather than warrior nun for my liking.

Good to see SoB getting some attention again.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Therion wrote:
...and in general it's strange an armour would be designed specifically for women.

No, it's strange that people still don't get that armour should be designed specifically for women. It wouldn't look like this, but poorly fitted armour designed for a man is bad for combat effectiveness.

So what are the characteristics and qualities that a vest or a breastplate needs to have to be designed for women? You're seriously saying armour needs special models for women, or think that anyone would actually do it? What's the difference between a vest intended for a 135lbs 168cm man and one intended for a 135lbs 168cm woman? Please explain why we need armour designed specifically for women based on the fitting concern that you raised?

PS: Height and weight is the bantamweight limit, which for example TUF season 18 that has both male and female fighters uses.

Real war fighters:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/28/article-2269466-11A58566000005DC-478_634x510.jpg
I'm twelve fighters:
http://cache.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/732822-bigthumbnail.jpg

Well as far as I am concerned, something, anything will be better than nothing !

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Therion wrote:
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So I stay with my original assessment. I don't like the pose nor the face, and I generally don't like the cupped breastplates because I'm not twelve anymore.
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You stopped liking boobs at 12? That's when I started liking boobs. Love this artwork, looks amazing, and looking forward to the update.

Poor guy, at least he can probably adopt instead !

If heavy bolters raise in price and heavy flamers drop in price that would finally give a chance to the Rets heavy flamer squad in an immolator/rhino.

I'm cool with that

 Therion wrote:
Please explain why we need armour designed specifically for women based on the fitting concern that you raised?

Um... because men and women are completely different shapes, maybe? Triangle versus hourglass?

The fact that women's chests need two measurements when men's chests only need one?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Please explain why we need armour designed specifically for women based on the fitting concern that you raised?

Um... because men and women are completely different shapes, maybe? Triangle versus hourglass?

The fact that women's chests need two measurements when men's chests only need one?

We're talking about bulletproof vests/breastplates (armour) here, not wedding dresses. But please continue.

war wrote:
If heavy bolters raise in price and heavy flamers drop in price that would finally give a chance to the Rets heavy flamer squad in an immolator/rhino.

I'm cool with that

I'm cool with 10 point Heavy Bolters if it means the rest of the codex is shifting to match the rest of the game in points costing.

Also Rending Heavy Flamers would make Retributors the scariest thing on the board!

 Therion wrote:
What's the difference between a vest intended for a 135lbs 168cm man and one intended for a 135lbs 168cm woman?

I'm going to assume that this is a serious question, and not a rhetorical one.

A man has wider shoulders which allows him to support more of the vest on the shoulders alone. Woman has wider hips and slimmer shoulders, necessitating a vest that does not rely entirely upon resting on the shoulders (which is really a better design for body armor anyway), and womens' breasts need support (this necessity however is served equally well by a sports bra, so it's not really a concern, and does not necessitate boob-cups in armor) in most cases.

Similarly, for something like a jumpsuit, the zipper needs to go further down to facilitate urination-- other types of armor and clothing have similar considerations for each gender. In the case of expensive items like power armor, the armor is likely going to be custom-fit and adjusted to each user's body specifications regardless of any requirements the person's body shape has; but even with this, the armor will not necessarily show any outside difference in shape unless it is required for aesthetic purposes.

 Melissia wrote:

 Therion wrote:
What's the difference between a vest intended for a 135lbs 168cm man and one intended for a 135lbs 168cm woman?

I'm going to assume that this is a serious question, and not a rhetorical one.

A man has wider shoulders which allows him to support more of the vest on the shoulders alone. Woman has wider hips and slimmer shoulders, necessitating a vest that does not rely entirely upon resting on the shoulders, and womens' breasts need support (this necessity however is served equally well by a sports bra, so it's not really a concern, and does not necessitate boob-cups in armor) in most cases.

Similarly, for something like a jumpsuit, the zipper needs to go further down to facilitate urination. In the case of expensive items like power armor, the armor is likely going to be custom-fit and adjusted to each user's body specifications, but will not necessarily show any outside difference in shape.

Like you admitted, the breasts are a non-concern. Not only because they can be supported, but because fighters generally don't have them, and in the future I'm sure they can be removed or made smaller when genetic mutation so suggests. Men in the same weight class as women generally don't have much of a difference between the size of the shoulders, and in addition to that the armours we see in this game have separate shoulder pieces that are installed separately and can come in any size. No breast cups are needed, likewise no outwards bulging cups for the male genital parts are required, an identical leg piece will work.

Here's some pictures for comparison. I'm sure you're all thinking about the fantasy anime girls shapes, but here's women that train and fight as a living, and two men from the same class for comparison. Usually I'd say the male fighters have larger breasts than female ones, because male pectorals grow a lot and get really well defined. I'm not going to link a thousand pics here as I'm sure you can find them on your own.
http://i0.wp.com/sweatforit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ronda-rousey-mma-ufc-female-fighter-champion-sweatforit6.jpg?w=900
http://a4d69b0be31a71a4ce13-693158ff2c1c99d0e4a41d57d491843d.r93.cf1.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/33-Dominick-Cruz-Urijah-Faber-UFC-132-weigh.jpg

 Therion wrote:
You're seriously saying armour needs special models for women, or think that anyone would actually do it?

Yes.