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I think for a Pilot it was excellent. None of the characters annoy me and there seems room for growth. I'd love for Gunn ("Mike" in the show) to get a recurring or larger role at some point.

The show isn't as good as Arrow but it has possibilities. Plus Arrow is in it's own category

So you're saying I should give Arrow another chance?

I saw the episode with eating the dead bird and the boat in the warehouse and I just couldn't be bothered.

My main bone of contention is that once again, it's a film/tv programme about superheroes. Give me something new, or give me death!

Arrow started really poorly but got much, much better. Glad I stuck with it

Did they say if any of the movie characters are ever gonna be in the show (other than Colsun)? would be nice for continuity and all, even if it's just a cameo here and there. Or is TV just way below all of their pay grades?

 Necros wrote:
Did they say if any of the movie characters are ever gonna be in the show (other than Colsun)? would be nice for continuity and all, even if it's just a cameo here and there. Or is TV just way below all of their pay grades?

Cobie Smulders already looks to have a recurring role. I doubt RDJ is going to hop into every other episode though. I could definitely see major episodes having Fury stop by though.

 pretre wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Did they say if any of the movie characters are ever gonna be in the show (other than Colsun)? would be nice for continuity and all, even if it's just a cameo here and there. Or is TV just way below all of their pay grades?

Cobie Smulders already looks to have a recurring role. I doubt RDJ is going to hop into every other episode though. I could definitely see major episodes having Fury stop by though.

Jackson and Whedon have talked about not wanting to have Fury show up in person, but rather have video calls or the like.

Jackson said something to the effect of "Fury's a busy man. He can't show up in the field as much as he did for The Avengers, but could he make time for conference calls? Of course."

That's a good point. Fury is more wholesale and this is the retail end of the business.

Fury manages the big kids. I could see screen calls and such quite easily when things get nuts. But seriously, Coulson has experience with hairy situations and dealing with the major players. To me he's only a step or two behind Fury on the chain.

 Paradigm wrote:
IEither he's an entirely new character, or he is going to become

Spoiler:

Luke Cage, in which they've totally changed his origin story, but the powers fit.

I'm leaning more towards the second (spoilered) option, as he bares a similarity in terms of powers, appearance and (so far) his character is fairly similar.

The problem is he got shot in the head which is something that could never happen to your "spoilered" hero. None of the sites tracking this show link this character to any existing Marvel ones so it looks like the show is introducing new characters. I wonder if there might be licensing issues still causing problems for Marvel.

 Breotan wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
IEither he's an entirely new character, or he is going to become

Spoiler:

Luke Cage, in which they've totally changed his origin story, but the powers fit.

I'm leaning more towards the second (spoilered) option, as he bares a similarity in terms of powers, appearance and (so far) his character is fairly similar.

The problem is he got shot in the head which is something that could never happen to your "spoilered" hero. None of the sites tracking this show link this character to any existing Marvel ones so it looks like the show is introducing new characters. I wonder if there might be licensing issues still causing problems for Marvel.

That's a good point, and something I was wondering myself should he turn out as I suggested. From the rest of the marvel films it's pretty obvious that they don't mind changing established characters and ideas (eg mandarin, extremis) so it's still up for debate. His speech at the end and the ideals seemed to represent the character well, which was what got me thinking in the first place. The fact they 'erased' his identify entirely also adds to the theory.

However, it could well be a new character, which would explain how he was shot. I guess if they are planning to do new characters, it's better putting them here than in a major film, which is something I know didn't go down well with Whiplash or whatever his name was in Iron Man 2, as it's easier (and cheaper) to recover from. I guess we'll know in a few weeks, maybe even this week's show.

I thought Fantastic 4, spiderman and the X-men were the only ones marvel/disney didn't have. What ones were you thinking would cause problems for them?

I thought he was just shot with an experimental taser type gun that they showed off in one of the opening scenes?

Apparently the problem child is 'X-men' as it means they allegedly can't mention the word 'mutant' and all sorts of other related type phrases.

With the gun, they mentioned (amidst the techo-babble) that the bullet broke up on impact and delivered an anesthetic, if there was taser involved that might justify it.

And I can see how the mutant ban could be an issue. Although I thought it had been mentioned somewhere (comic-con, I think) that Averngers 2 was going to feature Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, both mutants and both rumoured to be in X-men Days of Future Past as well. Wonder how they'll work past that one.

On a similar note, I liked the way they 'borrowed' the classic spiderman line: 'with great power comes... loads of crazy stuff'.

Saw it, I liked it because they hooked me a long time ago with all of the movies.

But seriously, I thought the pilot was kind of weak...didn't feel like it had a lot to hook someone for a pilot, but I guess they are banking on the people who were hooked from all of the movies, like me.

This is why Havok recently had a big speech in one of the X-men/Avenger comics that they no longer like the word Mutant, they prefer Gifted.

Hence the mention of registered/unregistered gifted in the first show.

Marvel can't get X-men back from Fox, so they are moving the goalposts.

Well that was quick....Everyone watched the entire episode I assume

So much for Fury not showing up...

I liked his little cameo there at the end.

It might just have been the actress playing the Comandante, but did anyone else get a really strong vibe of season 1 Human Target from episode 2?

We're still world-building at this point, so it's difficult to know if it'll pick up, but this one was a bit hit & miss for me. The whole wrist-dislocation scene was...well, a wee touch on the daft side even for Marvel, unless we're going to find out that Pilot Lady is "gifted" herself(I refuse to learn the names of characters in a show until I know I'm going to stick with it). Judging by the way they keep using the "it's a magical place" line, I suspect Coulson isn't intended to be a permanent member of the cast, at some point he's going to learn the truth, whatever that turns out to be, and bog off to figure himself out before possibly returning in one of the movies if they lift the relevant storyline from the comics. Once they've had the existing team of newbies around for long enough that the audience gets used to them, I suspect that's when Coulson will get axed.

 Yodhrin wrote:
It might just have been the actress playing the Comandante, but did anyone else get a really strong vibe of season 1 Human Target from episode 2?

We're still world-building at this point, so it's difficult to know if it'll pick up, but this one was a bit hit & miss for me. The whole wrist-dislocation scene was...well, a wee touch on the daft side even for Marvel, unless we're going to find out that Pilot Lady is "gifted" herself(I refuse to learn the names of characters in a show until I know I'm going to stick with it). Judging by the way they keep using the "it's a magical place" line, I suspect Coulson isn't intended to be a permanent member of the cast, at some point he's going to learn the truth, whatever that turns out to be, and bog off to figure himself out before possibly returning in one of the movies if they lift the relevant storyline from the comics. Once they've had the existing team of newbies around for long enough that the audience gets used to them, I suspect that's when Coulson will get axed.

i would find a lack of coulson disappointing, and it would decrease the likelihood of me continuing to watch episodes, cause i really don't give a crap about the rest of the team yet

Yeah, I don't see Coulson going anywhere for quite a while. But then again I thoguht Fury would only likely show up via video conferencing and only for big stuff.

 Yodhrin wrote:
We're still world-building at this point

They are team building at this point, to be sure, but the world has been built up quite a bit. I mean, if six lead in movies isn't world building, then there is a problem somewhere.

Viewership dropped from the pilot (22.1 million) to more moderate numbers (8.4 million) that are more in line with Whedon television shows viewership numbers. In the same time slot The Voice has 14.2 million viewers and NCIS had 19.3.

I think if they want this show to be great it needs to have an endgame in mind (three season story arc, natch) and should have strong connections with Phase 2*. Otherwise I can see it getting bogged down into repetition or just goofy (in the bad way) stories. Something like this needs focus and planning to rise above. I also think at some point there needs to be some recurring capes, or people will get antsy. They are what separates this from just being X-files Redeux or Friday the 13th: The TV Series light**. I don't mean A listers like Hulk or Captain America, but Iron Fist would be nice, or any number of other heroes in the Marvel universe.


*So far they have done a decent job of tying things in with the previous movies, and having Extremis pop was a good touch.

** This was already done with Warehouse 13.

It's a whedon show.

I'm placing bets on it getting axed in three ... two ...


His record for TV shows isn't stellar.
Buffy ran waaaaaay too long (how many times did she die, anyway?) and firefly got a mercy killing.

I recorded it. I'll give it a watch in the next few days. If the wife likes it, that will be the barometer. She likes SF and fantasy stuff - she liked Smallville, but hated Mutant X (and the other mutant shows) and Arrow.

I'm NOT a marvel comic fanboy (loathed IM2&3, thought Avengers was sub-par, and didn't bother watching any of the other Avengers sub movies). Maybe this can change that. I'm not holding out much hope, though.

So far I find the team rather one dimensional but it's only two episodes in. Ep 2 didn't really impress me though. Very predictable. Coolsen is cool and all but I don't think he can carry this show by himself. The funny one liners here and there just aren't enough.

 pretre wrote:
So much for Fury not showing up...

TOTAL FACIAL, yeah the Fury Cameo was awesome


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 LordofHats wrote:
So far I find the team rather one dimensional but it's only two episodes in. Ep 2 didn't really impress me though. Very predictable. Coolsen is cool and all but I don't think he can carry this show by himself. The funny one liners here and there just aren't enough.

I get to watch a new story in the good Marvel universe every week.

I'm happy with that.

Whedon has done some good stuff but yeah. His track record for shows isn't stellar. At least this isn't Fox. They cancelled Angel with what, 5 episodes to wrap it up. Firefly didn't make it a full season. At least Fox gave him time to finish Doll House properly.

He is probably Marvel's/Disney's man for Avenger related material so I don't see this getting the axe as fast as his Fox shows. And let's be honest. Revolution got a second season, this should be fine. But he needs to find a good showrunner and develop a plan that ties into the current movie cycle.

We'll see. Right now Arrow started stronger than this and it didn't have a stellar start.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Whedon has done some good stuff but yeah. His track record for shows isn't stellar. At least this isn't Fox. They cancelled Angel with what, 5 episodes to wrap it up. Firefly didn't make it a full season. At least Fox gave him time to finish Doll House properly.

He is probably Marvel's/Disney's man for Avenger related material so I don't see this getting the axe as fast as his Fox shows. And let's be honest. Revolution got a second season, this should be fine. But he needs to find a good showrunner and develop a plan that ties into the current movie cycle.

We'll see. Right now Arrow started stronger than this and it didn't have a stellar start.

Maybe it's just guys with bow's and bad acting.

All they need to do is add Hawkeye

I do not approve of your slandering of Arrow!

But as to Agents of Shield TV shows take a few episodes to settle down into a a good flow with their characters. I've got high hopes but if it doesn't click better in another 2-3 episodes it's going to be relegated to my early weekend watching when the wife is asleep

I think it's okay...

The story is good, but the acting seems forced. Hopefully the chemistry will get better.

Well, I was underwhelmed by the second episode. Nothing really made me care about any of the characters, even the hot hacker girl's hot looks weren't enough to overcome the 3rd rate story. And apparently the showrunners really really don't give a damn about physics. Seriously, how long is explosive decompression supposed to last? On an airplane? At 37,000 feet? It was over five minutes on the show. And a tower construction crane isn't strong enough to suspend the disbelief needed to accept that a flimsy rubber raft can plug a hole in the fuselage, catch a full grown man and not be sucked out of the plane, and allow for full (and instant) re-pressurization of the cabin. If the writing doesn't stop being so damned stupid, I'm ditching this show.

Can't wait for season two of Arrow. At least that show doesn't assume their audience is full of morons.