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 whembly wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I can nail a camelspider with 9mm with three rounds then you can nail a fly with 240B

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It was a big camelspider. Trust me. You would shoot it to while running and screaming like a 8 year old girl.

"Only" 3?

Wouldn't one be enough?

(disclaimer: have no fething clue how hard that would be)

I'm surprised at his restraint to stop pulling the trigger after just 3 times. Have you ever seen a camel spider???

 djones520 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I can nail a camelspider with 9mm with three rounds then you can nail a fly with 240B

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It was a big camelspider. Trust me. You would shoot it to while running and screaming like a 8 year old girl.

"Only" 3?

Wouldn't one be enough?

(disclaimer: have no fething clue how hard that would be)

I'm surprised at his restraint to stop pulling the trigger after just 3 times. Have you ever seen a camel spider???

Some some pics... I'm guessing that doesn't do it's justice?


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 Forar wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So why is this guy against it while he was Senator?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/debtlimit.asp

President Obama has undergone a change of position regarding raising the debt limit. In a 15 April 2011 Good Morning America interview, President Obama said this of his reasons for doing so:

"I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit — for the United States by a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."

So what you're saying that it's political. Gotcha (we can agree on that...right?)

 whembly wrote:
So what you're saying that it's political. Gotcha (we can agree on that...right?)

I'm saying that as of two years ago the president stated that he made a poor choice as a senator. A purely political statement through his vote, which at a cursory glance did not impact the US's financial standing or situation.

The current situation is a whole other ballgame entirely, and thus the two are not directly equal, not to mention that he recognizes a previous mistake. Learning from mistakes is pretty important.

Ideally best done when the standard of living for millions and millions of people isn't in jeopardy.

 Forar wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So what you're saying that it's political. Gotcha (we can agree on that...right?)

I'm saying that as of two years ago the president stated that he made a poor choice as a senator. A purely political statement through his vote, which at a cursory glance did not impact the US's financial standing or situation.

The current situation is a whole other ballgame entirely, and thus the two are not directly equal, not to mention that he recognizes a previous mistake. Learning from mistakes is pretty important.

Ideally best done when the standard of living for millions and millions of people isn't in jeopardy.

I can certainly empathize with that... give Obama kudos for "evolving" here.

Still... that puts the Congressional-critters (all of them) in a much more severe light.

I'd still say that a more compelling argument to RAISE the debt ceiling is simply that A) The Treasury probably can't technically prioritize payments and B) Even if they could, that optics/precedence would be horrible.

 Forar wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So why is this guy against it while he was Senator?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/debtlimit.asp

President Obama has undergone a change of position regarding raising the debt limit. In a 15 April 2011 Good Morning America interview, President Obama said this of his reasons for doing so:

"I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit — for the United States by a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."

"I think its important to understand that you're a lying hypocrite"
-Frazzled

 Frazzled wrote:

 Forar wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So why is this guy against it while he was Senator?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/debtlimit.asp

President Obama has undergone a change of position regarding raising the debt limit. In a 15 April 2011 Good Morning America interview, President Obama said this of his reasons for doing so:

"I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit — for the United States by a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."

"I think its important to understand that you're a lying hypocrite"
-Frazzled

Changing your mind and acknowledging that you've changed your mind isn't being a hypocrite.

It is when you're calling the other side terrorists for doing exactly what you did.

What is the next step? Gitmo for them?

(don't ask if I actually had a problem with that...)

 Frazzled wrote:
It is when you're calling the other side terrorists for doing exactly what you did.

No, it really isn't. He's changed his mind and has publicly said that he did. If he just pretended he had his new opinion all along he still wouldn't be a hypocrite, he'd be a cloak-turner, but still not a hypocrite. If he'd said he hasn't changed his mind since then but continued with his current policies he'd be a hypocrite assuming he isn't doing what he can to change his policies to be more in line with his old opinion (which he obviously wouldn't be doing).

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
It is when you're calling the other side terrorists for doing exactly what you did.

No, it really isn't. He's changed his mind and has publicly said that he did. If he just pretended he had his new opinion all along he still wouldn't be a hypocrite, he'd be a cloak-turner, but still not a hypocrite. If he'd said he hasn't changed his mind since then but continued with his current policies he'd be a hypocrite assuming he isn't doing what he can to change his policies to be more in line with his old opinion (which he obviously wouldn't be doing).

I don't buy it.

I also don't buy it when he villifies the other side for doing the exact same thing he did.

Oh and of course its all Bush's fault.

 Frazzled wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
It is when you're calling the other side terrorists for doing exactly what you did.

No, it really isn't. He's changed his mind and has publicly said that he did. If he just pretended he had his new opinion all along he still wouldn't be a hypocrite, he'd be a cloak-turner, but still not a hypocrite. If he'd said he hasn't changed his mind since then but continued with his current policies he'd be a hypocrite assuming he isn't doing what he can to change his policies to be more in line with his old opinion (which he obviously wouldn't be doing).

I don't buy it.

I also don't buy it when he villifies the other side for doing the exact same thing he did.

"I did this, it was bad, you guys really ought to stop doing it." What's so bad about it?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
It is when you're calling the other side terrorists for doing exactly what you did.

No, it really isn't. He's changed his mind and has publicly said that he did. If he just pretended he had his new opinion all along he still wouldn't be a hypocrite, he'd be a cloak-turner, but still not a hypocrite. If he'd said he hasn't changed his mind since then but continued with his current policies he'd be a hypocrite assuming he isn't doing what he can to change his policies to be more in line with his old opinion (which he obviously wouldn't be doing).

I don't buy it.

I also don't buy it when he villifies the other side for doing the exact same thing he did.

"I did this, it was bad, you guys really ought to stop doing it." What's so bad about it?

Nothing. What he's actrually saying is:

"People who are doing what I did are terrorists holding the American people hostage. Woops I'm late for my golf game - good thing thats still open."

Are we talking about the golf game he played the evening before the shut down? Because every Facebook post I have seen complaining about him keeping his course open so he can play actually talked about a game played when it was still open anyway.

 d-usa wrote:
Are we talking about the golf game he played the evening before the shut down? Because every Facebook post I have seen complaining about him keeping his course open so he can play actually talked about a game played when it was still open anyway.

This complaint is dumb... sure, if he played during the shutdown the optics would be bad...

But, this is the same gak that folks complain about Bush when he went to Camp David just about every weekend.

What do you want your president to do? Sit in the Oval office all day? (no one can do that.)

 whembly wrote:
What do you want your president to do? Sit in the Oval office all day? (no one can do that.)

I sit in a tiny little cubicle every day... I'm sure the President can stomach such a thing But if the golf course was open when things were open, it's not an issue, if it was open after the shutdown, I wanna know why I wasn't invited

 Alfndrate wrote:

 whembly wrote:
What do you want your president to do? Sit in the Oval office all day? (no one can do that.)

I sit in a tiny little cubicle every day... I'm sure the President can stomach such a thing But if the golf course was open when things were open, it's not an issue, if it was open after the shutdown, I wanna know why I wasn't invited

Heh... my point was that there's ample other stuff to ding Obama... him playing golf is simply dumb IMO.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Are we talking about the golf game he played the evening before the shut down? Because every Facebook post I have seen complaining about him keeping his course open so he can play actually talked about a game played when it was still open anyway.

This complaint is dumb... sure, if he played during the shutdown the optics would be bad...

But, this is the same gak that folks complain about Bush when he went to Camp David just about every weekend.

What do you want your president to do? Sit in the Oval office all day? (no one can do that.)

Here's an idea. Stay off the campaign bus/Air Force One to go to another speech for more than two days.

But that doesn't answer the question of when he really played golf...

 d-usa wrote:
But that doesn't answer the question of when he really played golf...

Tonight on Fox News: Obama's war on golf.

The POTUS -- regardless of party -- should spend all day every day sitting in the Oval Office solving the world's problems through the sheer force of his will and great mental powers.

Kinda like Scanners.

 gorgon wrote:
The POTUS -- regardless of party -- should spend all day every day sitting in the Oval Office solving the world's problems through the sheer force of his will and great mental powers.

And thus was born the God-Emperor of Mankind, may his name be forever hallowed.

 Frazzled wrote:
Here's an idea. Stay off the campaign bus/Air Force One to go to another speech for more than two days.

Or maybe get the electorate to stop creating a political atmosphere where such a thing is necessary. These things don't happen in a vacuum after all.

And thus was born the God-Emperor of Mankind, may his name be forever hallowed.

He cannot be the God-Emperor of Mankind. For he has claimed "The Chosen One" so sayeth the news media.

Seriously. Golf courses on military posts are run by the MWR program I believe.

When the Government reopened Congress suddenly decided to actually work and they became the most productive Congress in history, sending bill after bill to Obama.

The volume of bills caused his auto-pens to fail, requiring him to be plugged into a neuro-connector to keep them going since otherwise he could only sign one bill at a time.

But the machine was designed by the same people that designed the health exchanges, and a glitch meant that once he was connected his body turned into a lifeless shell. But his will kept the auto-pens going and the bills signed. Without him Government as we know it would stop. They were also able to wire him into his PAC, so his guiding light would shine throughout the Internet and allow his followers to find their way to the White House.

The auto-pens kept on writing and signing, but eventually the technology to maintain them was lost. People still try to read the writings of the God-Emperor Obama, and hence Obama's Tarot was born.

 d-usa wrote:
When the Government reopened Congress suddenly decided to actually work and they became the most productive Congress in history, sending bill after bill to Obama.

The volume of bills caused his auto-pens to fail, requiring him to be plugged into a neuro-connector to keep them going since otherwise he could only sign one bill at a time.

But the machine was designed by the same people that designed the health exchanges, and a glitch meant that once he was connected his body turned into a lifeless shell. But his will kept the auto-pens going and the bills signed. Without him Government as we know it would stop. They were also able to wire him into his PAC, so his guiding light would shine throughout the Internet and allow his followers to find their way to the White House.

The auto-pens kept on writing and signing, but eventually the technology to maintain them was lost. People still try to read the writings of the God-Emperor Obama, and hence Obama's Tarot was born.

I never believed in hell, but you have truly opened my eyes to the possibility of its existence.

I heard quotes on NPR this morning of House Republicans saying that a failure to raise the Debt Ceiling would have almost no impact on America.

I am genuinely scared about the consequences from that line of thinking from the same people who shut down the government over Obamacare.

 Easy E wrote:
I heard quotes on NPR this morning of House Republicans saying that a failure to raise the Debt Ceiling would have almost no impact on America.

I am genuinely scared about the consequences from that line of thinking from the same people who shut down the government over Obamacare.

I'm fairly certain that they don't read things...

Glancing at defaulting a while back had a minor impact, and definitely rattled some cages in the financial sector.

Defaulting would be... unwise.

Defaulting for such a staggeringly stupid reason would be catastrophic.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
I heard quotes on NPR this morning of House Republicans saying that a failure to raise the Debt Ceiling would have almost no impact on America.

I am genuinely scared about the consequences from that line of thinking from the same people who shut down the government over Obamacare.

I'm fairly certain that they don't read things...

We are talking about these people right?



I hope that quote isn't true...

 d-usa wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
I heard quotes on NPR this morning of House Republicans saying that a failure to raise the Debt Ceiling would have almost no impact on America.

I am genuinely scared about the consequences from that line of thinking from the same people who shut down the government over Obamacare.

I'm fairly certain that they don't read things...

We are talking about these people right?



I hope that quote isn't true...

It's a true quote...

Smokey Joe wrote:"Wind is God's way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it's hotter to areas where it's cooler. That's what wind is. Wouldn't it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can't transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It's just something to think about."

 Alfndrate wrote:

Smokey Joe wrote:"Wind is God's way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it's hotter to areas where it's cooler. That's what wind is. Wouldn't it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can't transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It's just something to think about."

Damn, the world economy is going to go in the tank again next week, isn't it?