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Can they not then pack them there end, ship em to the distributor who then all they have to do is to send them out?

overtyrant wrote:
Can they not then pack them there end, ship em to the distributor who then all they have to do is to send them out?

That's what they would do- it's just that the distributor would charge extra for their complicated orders.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Can they not then pack them there end, ship em to the distributor who then all they have to do is to send them out?

That's what they would do- it's just that the distributor would charge extra for their complicated orders.

Yep. The distributors would then send them to retailers who... oh, wait.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Can they not then pack them there end, ship em to the distributor who then all they have to do is to send them out?

That's what they would do- it's just that the distributor would charge extra for their complicated orders.

Erm... the items would already be sorted, packed and labeled if reaper sent completed orders to distribiters. The problem is that may force reaper to eat some costs that may be hard to factor into their overseas shipping cost if they are taking money a year in advance.

Im still waiting for some more good looking models to make a showing as extras to the core and or ocre set.

 Azazelx wrote:

Glenmorray wrote:
I dont think the miniatures look very nice at all. That obviously must just be me then as they're doing so well.

Yeah, they really suck.

...Errr, yea? Those worms look like a 5 year old attacked some clay with a shoe...

 Phobos wrote:
I have to say that I am getting more than a little annoyed with all the international backers whining and complaining about the shipping. You don't see this sort of behavior from that backers of UK or EU based kickstarters. Should I go whine and complain in the Winter War thread that EU countrys get free shipping and I have to pay?

This one, you mean?
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1030835091/winter-war-wargaming-miniatures

FREE SHIPPING WORLDWIDE






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Glenmorray wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Glenmorray wrote:
I dont think the miniatures look very nice at all. That obviously must just be me then as they're doing so well.

...Errr, yea? Those worms look like a 5 year old attacked some clay with a shoe...

Yeah, it pretty much is you. Though "your" website in your profile says more than enough about your mindset.


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czakk wrote:
There is that giant spider mini.. http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/spider/price/03180#detail/03180_p_1_mr


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A bit more on why reaper is charging shipping now rather than waiting a year:

Reaper Miniatures 14 minutes ago

@Scott - here's some of why we won't be able to wait for postage - We had a significant number of non-responses to the pledge manager last time, which has caused some problems. We anticipate that not everyone takes the time to educate themselves about the precise requirements, so a number of backers will either never realize, or forget, that they need to reply to our e-mail notifying them to pay shipping now. We will hold their parcels, waiting for payment, which takes up space, and requires a lot more labor than "pre-paid, ok to ship the instant it is ready". A number of those backers will be more uspet that we have come back and "demanded" more money, and they will report us for fraud by taking their money and refusing to ship.

I know that's unfair, and it may only be 1% of overseas backers, but our experiences with the previous Kick starter showed us that not everybody is reasonable about these things, and we have to make policies that are simple, easy to understand, and clear. It hurts the ones like you, that take the time work with us and understand, and for that, we apologize.



Reaper Miniatures 19 minutes ago

@Scott - We will not be able to introduce a mechanism to wait for shipping until then - here's the quick & dirty version.
If we charge today $50 and it becomes $60, we eat $10 per backer, which is far better than we did last time, and is well within our calculated margins of error. Last time we ate several hundred thousand dollars because of both gross under-calculation and rate hikes.

That's all quite interesting. What makes me ...curious is how they plan to know the "exact" shipping price and weights for something like their core pledge (or the add-on sets, etc) if the whole KS is geared towards adding in extra figures to those sets. Which, obviously, will increase the weight, and so on...

Hm, I might end up dropping out of this after all. With the overall selection of sculpts seeming a bit less compelling this time around, and with a huge pile of Bones that only just got here recently, and a year's fulfilment, it might be far better to pick and choose the specific figures I'm interested in down the road. We'll see how this goes.

I think the issue with "actual shipping" is less about "actual shipping" and more about closer shipping.

They probably have a fairly good idea of where it will end up when everything is said and done, and should be able to predict what each level and type of addon will add into the USPS pricing API. With that, users can enter their local information and come up with a pretty close shipping cost. This will avoid them having to have a complicated chart for cross refencing to figure a "flat rate"...or simply putting the flat rate high enough to cover the worse case scenario.

Because of all the options on this, saying that all international orders pay an extra $50 wont work so well. A backer can simply want the Mousling or Lords of Darkness option, something that can ship fairly cheaply (heck, a padded envelope would work for those). However they might also choose 3 of the figure cases. Those bulky items will probably cost more to ship than getting one of everything else.

Regarding Winter Wars, shipping from the UK to the US (and I assume most other places) is dirt cheap. I have had packages shipped to me from there which have a lower marked postage rate than what it costs me to send something domestic here (and several times it was the exact same thing for some gifts I purchased from over there and then subsequently sent to their recipients).

Still, looking at the size of that campaigns rewards right now, I do hope they dont get burned on shipping. All those metal figures get heavy pretty fast, and their are somethings which will be bulky as well like the Russian vehicles. Looking at the backer list, it appears about half the backers are from the US, and even at lower rates, a few kilos of tin isnt cheap to ship.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Looking at the backer list, it appears about half the backers are from the US, and even at lower rates, a few kilos of tin isnt cheap to ship.

Aside from the cheaper shipping in the UK, if UK kickstarters are required to include VAT, that might even out the cost of shipping to the US, the creators don't have to pay 20% to the government and can use that for shipping.

I'm hoping we see some Plant creatures! I'd love to see more stuff focused on the Forest and Desert myself.

Perhaps the plants in the second picture are a hint of things to come? Probably not, but it would be cool.

Not sure if you noticed, but she is in the base package:



Probably not quite the plant creature you were thinking of though.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Not sure if you noticed, but she is in the base package:



Probably not quite the plant creature you were thinking of though.

I was thinking more a long the lines of a Moonflower, and maybe something like Myconds (Mushroom men) I could see a mu spore a long the ways as a stand alone, for sure.

Stumbled across this thread this morning and figured it would be helpful to some:

http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/51663-ks-bones-ii-list-of-miniatures/

All the miniatures currently in the campaign with links to their metal counterparts so you can see sizes and difrerent angles from the Reaper catalog.

 judgedoug wrote:
UPS, Fedex, and DHL are all more expensive than USPS.

Depends on what your shipping.

Running quick numbers, it looks like it'll cost me $50 to ship my 30 pounds of Dwarven Forge terrain from the US to Canada.

via USPS it'd be more like $175.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Stumbled across this thread this morning and figured it would be helpful to some:

http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/51663-ks-bones-ii-list-of-miniatures/

All the miniatures currently in the campaign with links to their metal counterparts so you can see sizes and difrerent angles from the Reaper catalog.

Thanks! I had been looking for something like that. Overall from the discussion in that thread, it seems like there's a whole bunch of conversions/partial resculpts being done (many of the demons, bugbear and gnoll variants).

 Azazelx wrote:

 Phobos wrote:

Yeah, it pretty much is you. Though "your" website in your profile says more than enough about your mindset.
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My mind set? SO I question why they're doing so well because the miniatures dont look very good and thats based off the fact in my profile I have a link to the GW webpage? Which, by the way I don't even remember doing :/

There is a such a weird them and us attitude towards European miniatures games on here, when you compare the stuff these guys are doing like the miniatures above to say...I don't know God Slayer?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1948302892/godslayer-rise-of-legends

I mean I applaud the patriotism but I think some people have the old Rose tinted glasses on...

Glenmorray wrote:

There is a such a weird them and us attitude towards European miniatures games on here, when you compare the stuff these guys are doing like the miniatures above to say...I don't know God Slayer?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1948302892/godslayer-rise-of-legends

I mean I applaud the patriotism but I think some people have the old Rose tinted glasses on...

God Slayer and Bones aren't really comparable. Last I checked, the Core set for bones was ~$.80 a model. Maybe twice that with shipping international.

The starter set for Godslayer is/was $48 dollars for 5-8 models (plus shipping depending on location).

If you happen to be in the U.K., the cost comes out to about four times the cost for a Godslayer model vs Reaper's Bones (and more then 10x for U.S. bakers).

I'm not saying that Godslayer isn't a good value, but at four times the cost per model the sculpt for the Godslayer mini's should be of a significantly higher quality.


I think it has more to do with what the models are intended to be used for. I'm using the bones with PnP games, I'm unlikely to use say the Rat Ogre or the troop of Ghouls more then a couple of times. Mini's for war games like Warhammer or Godslayer are much more likely to hit the tabletop repeatedly, if not every game you play.

I don't get the Reaper disappointment. Reaper's made some nice stuff over the years- a lot of that translates well from metal to Bones. Given a choice I'll take the cheaper route to get my models, every single time. I doubt I am alone in that regard, especially when there are kids involved, and especially when you have to keep your hobby budget reigned in tight.

Plus I like having all kinds of random pieces to throw down in a skirmish. I don't have the time/ patience to get a mass battle army painted up any more, nor do I have the time to invest in large scale games of that ilk.

Reaper's let my kids purchase their own figures as well. I don't want to plunk down 20+ dollars for something that's going to get all of its small and brittle parts demolished, or a box of a few figures for 40 bucks or more. 2 or 3 bucks and no gluing involved? Sure. My daughter has a pretty complete adventuring band of fighting girls now, while my son is slowly building up a Monster Manual Zoo to harass said girls with.

If any European company, Asian company, American company, ANY company wants to compete with Reaper in getting reasonably priced figures to the market, THEN BY ALL MEANS.

The naysayers can keep their boutique prices and limited editions, and I'm sure they'd be just as happy with the situation like that. (Not as a knock to the boutique stuff- if I had the skill or cash to waste on it, I'm sure I would partake as well)

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Reaper's let my kids purchase their own figures as well.

If you dig around the Reaper forums, you'll find references to painting with the rest of the family, especially the kids.

Reaper Bones *isn't* for the hardcore painters or wargamers. A good number of the buyers don't even paint the miniatures. They want to rip open the blister and plunk down the mini for their RPG game. RPG'ers aren't exactly the most prepared lot. Players will fish around a bunch of mini's and find "something close" while the GM will resort to using dice instead of miniatures. None of this "official painted army" nonsense. The "bulk purchase" model suits them well. Buy a whole bunch of fantasy mini's and hope for the best. A player might buy a metal figure that matches his character (and pre-Bones, character *do* sell better than monsters), but no way can you expect the GM to foot the metal gaming bill for all the monsters in the dungeon. He's already spent quite a bit of money on the world books and other RPG book supplements.

...Which is one of the reasons us long-time wargamers make such great DM's - great monster availability

If anyones interested, I have the Reaper Bones 1 Vampire level I'd like to get 200.00 for. If your interested in the dragons and other stuff, We can talk about those to.

I've got a bunch of this stuff that needs a better home then I can give them right now.

...And if anyone in NL happens to be looking for a kaladrax, I need that monstrous thing gone, TBH

To be honest though, a lot of wargamers just want to rip open a package and throw it on the table too. That is one of the reasons Clix have done so well.

Granted right now I have 36 square feet of misc. monsters which are used for gaming...both role playing and roll playing games. There are another 84 square feet or so of specific armies, some of which are heavy on monsters. Still have room for three more tiers of shelves before they get too cramped. All of it painted, though to be honest, I will probably be retiring 15-20 square feet of old Partha figures to the smelting pot now that I can get them in lighter and better Bones (giants, dragons and other monsters).

All a question of need and desire. A lot of Bones figures are outstanding detail and insane value. Some are OK detail but still insane value. When they are painted up, they can look as good as metal, especially at 3 feet. With most of the figures I have the metal counterpart already, and often I have a hard time telling them apart until I pick them up.

Fair 'nuff. Still means at least having a bunch of models though, always beats resorting to "noo, the red dice are goblins, the black dice are lv28 black dragons" style situations

Weren't some of those old partha dragons actually quite nice, though?

Yep, that is why they have lasted so long. Several of them will likely avoid the smelting pot for years to come. However, some were not nearly as nice, and slowly over the last 15-20 years I have been replacing old figures with new as the old figures no longer stand up to my current standards.

Small things are pretty easy, but I can probably count the number of companies who are doing large monsters on my fingers (barring a few one-offs like the Heresy Dragon).

The saddest part there is that a good portion of those are selling figures that were sculpted while Partha was still in business (and it shows too).

Yup, big monsters are quite a risky investment, it would seem. That new oathsworn dragon is a nice refreshing addition to the club though, for example.

Still, just can't beat something like bones for dragons, I'm not going back to metal or resin for big monsters given even half a chance to get something compatible in bones

That one seemed to take awhile.

New stretch for the Option Expansion, definately sweetens that pot a good bit. Might need to see if there are some sort of rules for an underwater wargame to have the Kraken face off against the Goroloth.
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For those who track that sort of thing, the Core Package is now at 68 cents per figure. Option #1 is at $1.28 per figure 8 rather large figures along with a bunch of large and around 20 or so regular or smaller sized (goblins, kobolds and derro are all smaller than regular people).

Is that the big $45 goroloth or the smaller 30 dollar one?


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It's the big one.

Looks like the big one to me. If you compare right under the gills, the small on goes straight into belly texture while the large one has some clear space.

These Barrow Wardens look very sexy (and would really nice Grave Guard alternatives)

It's hard to tell (they're both very similar and done by the same sculptor) but to me the tentacles look closer to those on the larger version..

they're thinner & longer looking than those on the smaller one

and the smaller one is labled as a Goroleth Drone, rather than a Goroleth

but PM reaper if you have to have a definite answer