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 adhuin wrote:
EDIT: necroquotation removed

Problems with logins and seeing some old bad posts.

Edit - and reply removed. No worries eh.

I want to see the core set updated in a meaningful way soon.

 Phobos wrote:
I want to see the core set updated in a meaningful way soon.

I think we all do, but if the kickstarter stalled right now I don't think I would pull my pledge.

If it stalled here I probably would to be honest. We're still below the value of miniatures I like vs. the cost. Right now I'd be paying over retail for the figures I like from the main set. But I'm willing to stick it out till the last day

 Hulksmash wrote:
If it stalled here I probably would to be honest. We're still below the value of miniatures I like vs. the cost. Right now I'd be paying over retail for the figures I like from the main set. But I'm willing to stick it out till the last day

I'm in the same boat. There's plenty here that I want, but if the kickstarter ended today I would decrease down to a 1 dollar pledge with addons. But I'm expecting more to be added before all is said and done.

Won't there be be any more "1$" level pledges avalaible? I really wanted to take part in this at the 100* level for all the goodies but life decided it was about time to be broke as heck .
I hoped I could at least get that sexy kraken to lessen my sadness but it seems I don't deserve it!

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Won't there be be any more "1$" level pledges avalaible? I really wanted to take part in this at the 100* level for all the goodies but life decided it was about time to be broke as heck .
I hoped I could at least get that sexy kraken to lessen my sadness but it seems I don't deserve it!

If there aren't any open right now, you might send a message to Reaper. They usually open them in batches of 2000.
Edit- my bad, it's the core pledges they open in batches of 2000. Not sure what they're doing with the $1 add on level.

They have posted they are trying to figure out what wave to open the next batch of $1 pledges in,

once they've sorted out the logistics another batch will be opened

(I'll guess wave 'after everything else is done')

I'm a bit surprised the massive end of campaign spike doesn't seem to have kicked in yet. I'm starting to question whether we'll get quite the spike as Bones 1. I guess it makes sense for the sequel to get more backers early and less late.

Comparing the Kicktraq data for Zombicide 1 and 2, Zombicide 1 saw most of its money in the last week while Zombicide 2 had a much more shallow spike that really only started in the last 3 days.

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/coolminiornot/zombicide/
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/coolminiornot/zombicide-season-2/

Just seen this kickstarter and I'm confused, what do you actually get for. Your $100 pledge? How many models?

Once they are open, we can just pledge $1 and then add whatever else in down the road, via a post-Kickstarter Pledge Manager?

Yes, you should be able to just pledge $1 and add on in the pledge manager

 fox40 wrote:
Just seen this kickstarter and I'm confused, what do you actually get for. Your $100 pledge? How many models?

For $100 you get everything in the spoilered image below plus any dark blue stretch goals


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 Alpharius wrote:
Once they are open, we can just pledge $1 and then add whatever else in down the road, via a post-Kickstarter Pledge Manager?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Yes, you should be able to just pledge $1 and add on in the pledge manager

I just want to note that you don't HAVE to wait until the pledge manager to add money beyond the first dollar. It will help the kickstarter if you add the money now and when the Pledge Manager is released you will have the chance to tell Reaper how to allocate that money. For example, pledge $28 and the Pledge Manager will let you tell Reaper that the money is $1 pledge, $15 for the Kraken, and $12 for Narthrax.

Of course, if money is tight right now, you will be able to add money later. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But again, if you have the means, more money now means more stretch goals.

 fox40 wrote:
Just seen this kickstarter and I'm confused, what do you actually get for. Your $100 pledge? How many models?

You get the core set



for your $100 but remember you'll pay the ACTUAL shipping (which is $51.51 to the UK at present but may rise if more minis get added to the core set)

go here (https://ks.reapermini.com/) to work out shipping charges if you add anything else

So according to the picture it's 150ish models for 100 + shipping

If you're not satisfied with JUST 100 bucks worth of minis or want something different, there's bucketload of options for your 100+$


The Options


Core Expansion #1


Single Add-ons from the Core:

Sway wrote:


Of course, if money is tight right now, you will be able to add money later. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But again, if you have the means, more money now means more stretch goals.

That's the one I was after!

I am, sadly, a veteran of far too many Kickstarters - but not any from Reaper.

Just making sure...

I'm only in for some add ons, as the core set is an amazing deal but I don't have any current or looming uses for 150+ mostly fantasy figures. That said, I'm keeping an eye on this one, and it's still going at a decent clip for now.

Sure, Bones 1 was doing 100k+ per day for the last 9 days, but there's nothing wrong with 2 million already pledged.

Also keep in mind that backers aren't required to include their S&H fees, so that could be another 100k+, and unlike last time, KS won't necessarily be taking a cut of that as well. It's a pretty smooth choice, wouldn't surprise me if we saw more of that kind of system in the future from other KS's.

Yes, Bones 1 also did 3.4m... but around 2/3 of that was in the last week. Hell, over 1/3 of it was in the last 48 hours.

And honestly, there's the possibility that they felt Bones 1 got a bit out of control and are totally cool with a solid performance. I know everyone loves 'THE BIG WIN, BETTER THAN EVER OMG', but is it not enough to put forth a goal, be successful and deliver on those products in a timely fashion? The staggered release dates on the tiers indicate to me that they do want to establish realistic goals and meet them, rather than simply aiming for the stars and getting the apologies and excuse updates ready ahead of time.

They're not just running the campaign, they're managing expectations for the year to come, which seems pretty savvy to me, especially having watched another (1.5m) campaign flounder for months post KS.

Guess I'm coming to appreciate not just an amazing deal from a KS campaign, but also creators who seem to be making sincere efforts to keep things realistic. The transparency they started this campaign with regarding how things went last time (including a breakdown of how the finances obtained were used) was praise worthy in and of itself.

Sway wrote:
I'm a bit surprised the massive end of campaign spike doesn't seem to have kicked in yet. I'm starting to question whether we'll get quite the spike as Bones 1. I guess it makes sense for the sequel to get more backers early and less late.

Comparing the Kicktraq data for Zombicide 1 and 2, Zombicide 1 saw most of its money in the last week while Zombicide 2 had a much more shallow spike that really only started in the last 3 days.

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/coolminiornot/zombicide/
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/coolminiornot/zombicide-season-2/

Not really too surprised.

In most second (or more) campaigns, you don't see the Hockey stick, instead it is "U" shaped. You have a bunch who get in on the front side and then leave it alone for a month or so while it builds up. They come back in and adjust their pledges in the last few days when Kickstarter sends out the reminder email. You also have more people who are confident and don't need to wait and see as opposed to a KS campaign ran for the first time by a company or ran by an entirely new company.

If you go back and look at campaigns by CMoN, Mantic and others who have run more than one - they all tend to share that same pattern of progression. Big front loading, slow in the middle and the last 3 days it kicks back up again as the early birds adjust their pledges for the options and the fence sitters decide to finally pledge.

Right now Reaper is fully intending to do (almost no matter what) all the stretch goals for the two expansions that are there as well as 2 more additions to the core and 2 more Orange options and the finale piece (not sure if that will be Orange or Core). While it sounds like a lot - they will be squishing and moving around the goals and the values between goals in order to make it happen. Should the money raised not quite cover the actual costs it will end up being something that Reaper eats...so, for those who are concerned that we won't fill out the Chronoscope or the fantasy Expansions or that this is all that is going into the core...there is little concern for that.

I say little - because it would be a big pill to swallow if the numbers just entirely stopped going up now. However, they have a plan of what they want to get into production, and even if things fall short a little...they still intend on putting those into production. If they get more, well, they have things they would like to do - but aren't really planning on it quite yet and those will get tossed in as well.

Above someone mentioned that the current pledge level is too close to retail price for them to pledge. Even with $50+ shipping to the UK, it's still 100 miniatures for $150. The cheapest bones sku is 1.99, with most being 2.49 and 2.99. So the current $100 pledge level is still around what most stores would pay on a wholesale account. And if you're in the US, it's even better as you don't have the big shipping charges.

EDIT: After I saw my friend's Cthulhu last KS, I really regretted not going in on a second one with his pledge. So I think I will get this new great old one if it becomes available (and I fully expect it to).

@Frozenwastes

I mentioned that the models "I currently liked" were still above what I could get retail. It's a small distinction but important. I realize the retail value vs. the kickstarter price is a steal but I'm only interested for items I might use or paint and there aren't quite enough in the base set yet to make the $100 up front worth it in comparison to retail price.

Have you considered ebaying the extras you don't want to subsidize the ones you do?

My assumption is Ebay will be a glut with models once these come in. And the discount cost of the models isn't high enough to offset the shipping costs the buyers would incur. And I don't like to back something based on possible resale value

Folks seemed to be able to sell their vampire boxes for about 200 dollars on ebay this last go round.

Any of you fantasy types willing to sell off your 'Pulp Action' and 'Savage Worlds' portions of the core set?

I'm currently a Wave 1 pledge but really don't want the fantasy stuff so will be dropping my pledge at some point.

It's possible they'll hold a significant resale value, but I imagine selling them as a partial lot (as opposed to the full Core set) might not be as easily done, or might involve selling piecemeal, which would be significantly more work, in terms of both listing dozens and dozens of figures, and potentially shipping out to dozens of people who might only buy a few apiece.

It's also a bit of a gamble. Bones 1 was massively successful and obviously some people made some money back (if not an outright profit) selling models on the secondary market, but that also means there's the potential that more people try to do the same, which means there may indeed be more of a glut, but at the same time the demand for cost effective minis seems to be pretty bloody high too.

So yeah, Kickstarter speculation is something I'm interested in, have given a lot of thought to, but haven't done much. The only place I have so far has been on the Robotech miniatures Kickstarter from earlier this year, since rounding up from 7 'boxes' to 8 effectively cost $90 and I've estimated the MSRP value of said box to be around $550 (probably 450-500'ish in a shop, with recognition that a bunch of the figures aren't due out until 3-6+ months after the first wave goes to retail, and some of the KS/Convention exclusive figures won't be easily available at all post KS). Looking forward to how that turns out.

Y'know, if the boxes ever arrive in December... January... err, whenever the hell they actually get made.

 CptJake wrote:
Any of you fantasy types willing to sell off your 'Pulp Action' and 'Savage Worlds' portions of the core set?

You're not going to buy the individual core add-ons? One buck shipping US for something *still* below retail doesn't sound bad, even if you drop to a Wave 8 $1 pledge from a Wave 1 $100 one.

Reselling on eBay is a PITA. Prices for Vampires have been holding around $200, and some sellers are selling the add-ons as well, reducing the overall price of the mini's.

The KS is great if you want a "bulk purchase" of mini's, or live in the US. Internationals who want specific miniatures may be better off waiting for the figures to hit the stores. Remember the "12 Days of Reaper"!

I'm currently sitting on a wave 1 core pledge, but does anyone know if I'm obligated to actually get the core set or can I just spend that on upgrades instead? Or do I have to drop to a $1 pledge that will ship much later?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm currently sitting on a wave 1 core pledge, but does anyone know if I'm obligated to actually get the core set or can I just spend that on upgrades instead? Or do I have to drop to a $1 pledge that will ship much later?

No.. You can use that 100 to subtract the core and then pick your addons..

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
(I'll guess wave 'after everything else is done')

Which will most likely be January 2015, or thereabouts. The shipping times this time arong are among the longest I've ever seen.