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 Hulksmash wrote:
That's not quite accurate Pretre. Without the after survey/pledge manager they still profitted on the first KS. Was it a high profit? Nope. But it was a profit on top of tons of new machines and production.

If a company can find a way to give me 250+ minis for $100 and still make a profit. I think they deserve too.

Whatever happened to the sculptor- themed expansions?

I swear they had bandied the idea about of having add ons that were focused on sculpts from one specific sculptor, and that the sculptors would be getting a cut of the sales or something.

Or, maybe I'm just misreading things from way back when and getting myself totally confused in the process.

Joyboozer wrote:
So it would seem KS1 had the intention of earning funds to make a product possible, KS2 is a pre order to make a profit possible?

That's basically what I said a page or two earlier.

I've revised my opinion of the Kraken having seen the video, and the dragon looks very nice as well. The ruins look great.

I'll probably wait to get the Bathalians in Bones plastic, regardless of cost. I have concerns about the shipping containers being messed up, I have no use for a not-Tardis, and $50 for some Bathalians is pretty steep.

Also, still no IMEF marines...

Mashaaf looks great, a great addition to fantasy, sci-fi, or maybe a nurgle army.

I wasn't impressed with the translucent stuff from the last KS, and I have no use for clear purple demon dogs, although the big demon sketch looks nice.

Sway wrote:

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at here. You're not buying sight unseen. You're promising to give them your money once you have seen the product (stretch goals). And that promise is entirely non-binding. You don't lose any money for another 7 days and when that last day hits you can decide to drop out with zero penalty. So why drop out now? You gain nothing.

The question here isn't, "Why drop out?" it's why pledge at all? None of this stuff looks especially good. The $50 add-ons are hit-and miss at best.

Sway wrote:
For all you know, every stretch goal announced from here on out will be sci-fi the whole way.

Seriously? This is rank speculation and you know it. 90% of everything Reaper makes is fantasy. I understand there's not a lot of d20 Modern/Future, Infinity, or AT-43 players out there, but the IMEF can be sculpted from blanks very easily - they all have the same legs torso and head.

They could make a modern/future/chronoscope add-on that's a little more useful than what you get now, or make figures avalable from the last kickstarter, or current Bones figures available again. Maybe give you a gift card for store credit that can only be used on Bones figures.

Not super-excited over what I'm seeing so far.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 Hulksmash wrote:
That's not quite accurate Pretre. Without the after survey/pledge manager they still profitted on the first KS. Was it a high profit? Nope. But it was a profit on top of tons of new machines and production.

*machine
They managed to get one machine after the first kickstarter.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
That's not quite accurate Pretre. Without the after survey/pledge manager they still profitted on the first KS. Was it a high profit? Nope. But it was a profit on top of tons of new machines and production.

*machine
They managed to get one machine after the first kickstarter.

Yeah, I think the hope was to get more manufacturing here which seems to be the focus here.

 chris_valera wrote:

Sway wrote:

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at here. You're not buying sight unseen. You're promising to give them your money once you have seen the product (stretch goals). And that promise is entirely non-binding. You don't lose any money for another 7 days and when that last day hits you can decide to drop out with zero penalty. So why drop out now? You gain nothing.

The question here isn't, "Why drop out?" it's why pledge at all? None of this stuff looks especially good. The $50 add-ons are hit-and miss at best.

That... is certainly a question. It is quite specifically not the question I was addressing however. If you're not looking to get in on this, I totally understand that mentality. If you're patiently waiting on the sidelines thinking that it doesn't look good now, I understand not pledging. I was quite specifically addressing my post at people who are on the fence or who have already pledged. If you're on the fence, pledge now and decide later whether or not to keep your pledge. If you've already pledged, keep the pledge until the last day and then decide.

 chris_valera wrote:

Sway wrote:
For all you know, every stretch goal announced from here on out will be sci-fi the whole way.

Seriously? This is rank speculation and you know it. 90% of everything Reaper makes is fantasy. I understand there's not a lot of d20 Modern/Future, Infinity, or AT-43 players out there, but the IMEF can be sculpted from blanks very easily - they all have the same legs torso and head.

They could make a modern/future/chronoscope add-on that's a little more useful than what you get now, or make figures avalable from the last kickstarter, or current Bones figures available again. Maybe give you a gift card for store credit that can only be used on Bones figures.

Not super-excited over what I'm seeing so far.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Again you seem to be deliberately misinterpreting me. That was rampant speculation. But that's the point. We can only speculate about what is to come. Again, I was specifically addressing a few posters who had already pledged and were pulling out because they didn't like what they had seen so far. They were speculating that the project would not get any better. I was offering a counter speculation. Neither is based on any truth because we can't know the actual truth until Reaper shows us all the stretch goals and the backers show us the final dollar count.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
That's not quite accurate Pretre. Without the after survey/pledge manager they still profitted on the first KS. Was it a high profit? Nope. But it was a profit on top of tons of new machines and production.

*machine
They managed to get one machine after the first kickstarter.

It's worth noting that I don't blame them for trying to turn a profit, or buy new equipment, I just don't think the offerrings are as good here.

I also notice that there's just four days left. At this time during the last KS, people were going bananas, spamming message boards, trying to get people on board.

I think splitting the KS into add-ons hurt the kickstarter.

If you don't like the odd figrues you got, you simply flipped them on ebay. Kaladrax sells for $40 on ebay, he's $75 at retail.

Here not wanting the figures just leads to people not pledging.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Whatever happened to the sculptor- themed expansions?

I swear they had bandied the idea about of having add ons that were focused on sculpts from one specific sculptor, and that the sculptors would be getting a cut of the sales or something.

Or, maybe I'm just misreading things from way back when and getting myself totally confused in the process.

Wasn't it mentioned in the video(after he went over each expansion) that each add-on like the rats and nemerians are all from the same sculptor? So although they don't mention the sculptor by name, each add-on is actually themed?

I was rather hoping for some more of their Warlords stuff getting put into Bones. And more Chronoscope. But, I guess the people who wanted more generic monsters won out. I suppose I'll never get some college student figures in plastic.

Is that ruined tower thing that was linked earlier part of this somehow?

Eventually. Probably.

Mashaaf master pics

Looks pretty cool but almost looks like it is falling over

I think that's just the angle of the first pic. The rest look like he is looming menacingly at Sir Placeholder.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Whatever happened to the sculptor- themed expansions?

I swear they had bandied the idea about of having add ons that were focused on sculpts from one specific sculptor, and that the sculptors would be getting a cut of the sales or something.

Or, maybe I'm just misreading things from way back when and getting myself totally confused in the process.

I had heard that...I just didnt hear that from Reaper. Not sure if the person who said that first heard it from Reaper or was wishfully thinking for Klockenbooty.

There is still 4 full days left on this though, so it is still possible that they might put something out like that I guess.


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 plastictrees wrote:
Is that ruined tower thing that was linked earlier part of this somehow?

Yes. Pretty well confirmed more than once by Reaper now.


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 Barzam wrote:
I was rather hoping for some more of their Warlords stuff getting put into Bones. And more Chronoscope. But, I guess the people who wanted more generic monsters won out. I suppose I'll never get some college student figures in plastic.

Expansion #3 is all Chronoscope. Still has 4 more goals in it.


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 Phobos wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
So it would seem KS1 had the intention of earning funds to make a product possible, KS2 is a pre order to make a profit possible?

That's basically what I said a page or two earlier.

It would be silly to think a business would try to do things to not make profit possible...

However, I would also be very surprised if Ed and company were just trying to make a fat pile of cash to stuff their mattresses with. They would like to be able to expand operations even more than they have. Add additional US based manufacturing capabilities. Possibly even have a little left over to finish retooling CAV. When all is said and done, each employee will likely get a Christmas bonus, but I doubt it will be more than 4 figures.

The Mashaaf figure looks good, now that I see the sculpted version.

Sean_OBrian has another good point about CAV. I'm sure if they tossed in a Cav figure to the basic pledge, they'd piss off all their fantasy players, but giving a few away to build interst in the game might not be a bad idea. I bought a handful of figures when it came out, but later sold them when it became obvious no-one played the game. Everyone seems to love the Dictator, even fantasy players might not mind getting one. Same with including modern and futuristic figures. It might be worth it to include a few fantasy player characters, moderns/futuristic and CAV figures instead of just monsters.

I'd rather they go back to making a "sampler platter" than catering to the whims of some grognardy fantasy die-hards

Instead they should cater to my whims!

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Another trick card - A sophie added to the core set - 28mm, made of bones, $2 dollars per if you want extras:

We're coming down to the last few days, and it's time to get serious! Spread the word on every forum, Tweet it from the heavens, Facebook about it, Upvote us on Reddit, and put us in your Dash on Tumblr!

 chris_valera wrote:


I'd rather they go back to making a "sampler platter" than catering to the whims of some grognardy fantasy die-hards

Not sure how much more of a sample platter it can get. Sure, the majority of the figures are fantasy - but so is the majority of Reaper's catalog. Out of 4,000 or so SKUs, less than 300 of them are Chronoscope.

So far we have 16 miniatures that are definitely not fantasy, 4 non-fantasy terrain items, a couple of dozen things which would work well for any number of sci-fi, horror or other non-fantasy games. There are still another 4 goals left in the Chronoscope expansion too (which will mean another 16-20 non-fantasy figures). Bones 1 added 25 Chronoscope figures to the catalog - so, unless I am missing something, that seems to be a better deal for the non-fantasy gamer.

That isn't to say I wouldn't like to see more sci-fi stuff in this KS campaign, or even see more wargaming specific stuff. However, I do think that it is important to look at the whole. If you don't want fantasy, you can pick up Expansion #3 and the couple of non-fantasy options from the Core. Depending on how you work it, it would likely still be a smaller hit to the wallet than last year and you wouldn't have all those extra fantasy figures. For overseas backers, it would also mean a smaller shipping cost too.

Maashaf looks awesome! One of the best pieces so far!

czakk wrote:
Mashaaf master pics

Spoiler:

Just in case?

czakk wrote:
Another trick card - A sophie added to the core set - 28mm, made of bones, $2 dollars per if you want extras:

We're coming down to the last few days, and it's time to get serious! Spread the word on every forum, Tweet it from the heavens, Facebook about it, Upvote us on Reddit, and put us in your Dash on Tumblr!

Oh wow, one whole figure...

I know they're trying to make more money of this one, but the next reward had better be killer.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Pretty disappointing stretch goals this time. The first one blew the doors off, this one is a huge "meh."

TzeentchNet wrote:
Pretty disappointing stretch goals this time. The first one blew the doors off, this one is a huge "meh."

Yeah this. It's telling when I'm more excited about getting a deal on paint than the actual figures, which are supposed to be the main draw.

There's no pleasing anyone, but they really should have just given fans a taste of everything, instead of catering to the hoary old fantasy grognards.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

That great old one looks nice, though I am not sure I need another with Cthulhu Wars coming...

I am going to have to decide on what I am getting from this soon. I am still unsure if I want the core set, but I want the ruins when they are revealed (if they aren't too expensive) and a few parts of the core set and extras, including the 3rd expansion, if the other parts are good. I was interested in the 2nd expansion when it looked to be cavalry and troops, but have lost interest with the reveals.

 chris_valera wrote:

Same with including modern and futuristic figures. It might be worth it to include a few fantasy player characters, moderns/futuristic and CAV figures instead of just monsters.

I'd rather they go back to making a "sampler platter" than catering to the whims of some grognardy fantasy die-hards

I think they have the category of fantasy PCs well covered; there are around 10 PC figures in the core, and they currently have had 3 expansions for the core set for fantasy PCs with 18 more figures, so they have near 30 PCs by now.

I agree that they should include at least some futuristic figures in the current base offering, as the only non-fantasy figures currently included are Chronoscope pulp and Western.

 Alpharius wrote:
Good to know - I might hand on to my wave one $100 slot and use it for add-ons only.

Thanks for the heads up on that!

Hm, yeah. That might just be the thing that keeps me in on this one. Paints and Kraken.

TzeentchNet wrote:Pretty disappointing stretch goals this time. The first one blew the doors off, this one is a huge "meh."

chris_valera wrote:

TzeentchNet wrote:
Pretty disappointing stretch goals this time. The first one blew the doors off, this one is a huge "meh."

Yeah this. It's telling when I'm more excited about getting a deal on paint than the actual figures, which are supposed to be the main draw.

There's no pleasing anyone, but they really should have just given fans a taste of everything, instead of catering to the hoary old fantasy grognards.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

We're also three to four days away from the final rush. They'll want to save the real goodies until then. This is a "between zone" that is just used to get the wait out. First day/last day are for the big rushes and goals.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:


Transparent PVC inks work wonders. They adhere chemically, and tint it just enough. Highly flammable though while wet...and I hear they cause cancer in California. I used them on the ghosts from Bones one and liked it enough to order a full set of colors for doing the fire elementals as well.

Product links please?

They may still impress. I like the Bones material (it's really good for what it is) but I already have MASSES of semi-detailed figures from Reaper and various board games like Descent. I was hoping for ... well not sure what I was hoping for, honestly. It's not like it isn't a successful Kickstarter, I just wish they had something that would give me a reason to buy-in since I like the company and what they do.