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 Sinful Hero wrote:

TzeentchNet wrote:Pretty disappointing stretch goals this time. The first one blew the doors off, this one is a huge "meh."

chris_valera wrote:

TzeentchNet wrote:
Pretty disappointing stretch goals this time. The first one blew the doors off, this one is a huge "meh."

Yeah this. It's telling when I'm more excited about getting a deal on paint than the actual figures, which are supposed to be the main draw.

There's no pleasing anyone, but they really should have just given fans a taste of everything, instead of catering to the hoary old fantasy grognards.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

We're also three to four days away from the final rush. They'll want to save the real goodies until then. This is a "between zone" that is just used to get the wait out. First day/last day are for the big rushes and goals.

Meh, it would be nice of there was some consistency. Just add a few figs to the core set, it wouldn't kill them.

It would be nice if there was at least some consistency.

They went for mounted figures, then all of a sudden we got angels and tentacle-beasts. Uh... what?

We got modern terrain, then suddenly sci-fi aliens and stuff

An all-terrain option would also be good. They'd get less orders, but it would be honest in its sales numbers. I missed Itar's Workshop kickstarter, though I would have only pledged for the accessories, so getting some dungeon accessories is nice.

I really think they lost a lot of international backers because of shipping.

I like how they're all "There's still more to come for the Core Set!" then they add in exactly one figure, the Sophie. Then they add on more paid add-ons while talking about how much better the core set is going to get. I'm smh.

I do give them credit, Since they added Sophie, they went gone up two grand in about 10 minutes. Adding more to the core set really is the way to go.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Yeah, I'm getting impatient waiting for these nebulous core enhancements.

I swear they had talked about themed expansions/ add ons before this campaign started. What happened to that?

Also- the sculptor themed sets? Was that just my imagination?

I like a lot of what we're getting, but I would have expected a bit more out of Reaper. Maybe I'm just jumping the gun and they're really going to put on a show in the end.

Plus Shadows of Brimstone and Total Extinction just started and my attention will soon be getting drawn away from Reaper.

 chris_valera wrote:


I do give them credit, Since they added Sophie, they went gone up two grand in about 10 minutes. Adding more to the core set really is the way to go.

Correlation does not equal causation.

The surge in pledges likely had little to do with Sophie and more to do with the end turn on this type of KS campaign starting up. Normally you see it start to turn up 3-4 days before the final day as people go back and up their pledges and other people finally decide that they want to pledge.

And, I doubt that Sophie is what they have been talking about when they say they will be adding more options to the core. There is a certain amount of patience that is needed when a company is trying to pace the campaign. If they would have done all their free options at the front and then all the paid options after that - we would not have any free items to look forward to at this point since it would just be too costly to add more into the package.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Yeah, I'm getting impatient waiting for these nebulous core enhancements.

I swear they had talked about themed expansions/ add ons before this campaign started. What happened to that?

Also- the sculptor themed sets? Was that just my imagination?

I like a lot of what we're getting, but I would have expected a bit more out of Reaper. Maybe I'm just jumping the gun and they're really going to put on a show in the end.

Plus Shadows of Brimstone and Total Extinction just started and my attention will soon be getting drawn away from Reaper.

Regarding the sculptor themed sets- Rats, Lords of Darkness, Numeria, Mouslings, etc have all been sculptor themed(as mentioned in the second video). The sculptor is just not being mentioned in the pledge graphic.

Well that's egg on my face for never bothering to watch videos with the sound turned on!



That's one mystery solved. Inching closer and closer to Sophie. Glad she's in bones this time. My daughter really likes her.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Well that's egg on my face for never bothering to watch videos with the sound turned on!



That's one mystery solved. Inching closer and closer to Sophie. Glad she's in bones this time. My daughter really likes her.

Don't feel too bad. I didn't know either until I watched it on my phone(my computer's soundcard is busted).

Bones II Roll-Over Graphic Count:
http://www.bones.kgdcraftermath.com/

71K made yesterday, so the KS is breaking out of its 45K-50K per day average over the last few days.

Reaper said 30% of backers who have used the pledge manager are international, which means a minimum of about 23% of total backers - pretty similar to last time.

TzeentchNet wrote:
They may still impress. I like the Bones material (it's really good for what it is) but I already have MASSES of semi-detailed figures from Reaper and various board games like Descent. I was hoping for ... well not sure what I was hoping for, honestly. It's not like it isn't a successful Kickstarter, I just wish they had something that would give me a reason to buy-in since I like the company and what they do.

Yeah this. If i buy the core set and some of the add-ons, it comes to like $200 or $300. But then I take a second look, and none of the figs from the core set are really that appealing. So it's like, why pledge at all?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

1) Is Troll Slayer Sophie a 28mm mini?
2) Is she available separately as an add-on?
3) If someone who is getting Expansion #1 doesn't want their Dragon Turtle, I'll buy it from you!

Thanks!

Yeah, I want 2 sets of mushroom men, 2 sets of hordlings and 1 dragon turtle... but not interested in paying for a whole 50$ pack.

So unless they itemize the expansions, it will be 'wait till retail' for me.

 Alpharius wrote:
1) Is Troll Slayer Sophie a 28mm mini?
2) Is she available separately as an add-on?
3) If someone who is getting Expansion #1 doesn't want their Dragon Turtle, I'll buy it from you!

Thanks!

28mm 2$ a pop per extra.

czakk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
1) Is Troll Slayer Sophie a 28mm mini?
2) Is she available separately as an add-on?
3) If someone who is getting Expansion #1 doesn't want their Dragon Turtle, I'll buy it from you!

Thanks!

28mm 2$ a pop per extra.

Thanks!

I didn't see her listed on the otherwise excellent and comprehensive 'official' pledge manager, so I wasn't sure...

 Alpharius wrote:

czakk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
1) Is Troll Slayer Sophie a 28mm mini?
2) Is she available separately as an add-on?
3) If someone who is getting Expansion #1 doesn't want their Dragon Turtle, I'll buy it from you!

Thanks!

28mm 2$ a pop per extra.

Thanks!

I didn't see her listed on the otherwise excellent and comprehensive 'official' pledge manager, so I wasn't sure...

I believe Kit was waiting to update the official one until after they were officially unlocked. Keep an eye out on the Dragon Turtle - they have talked about opening up the expansions for duplicates like they did with the core...though I don't know if that is still in play.

Did the new model show off video get posted yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYRkVXTkejQ

czakk wrote:
Did the new model show off video get posted yet?

I don't know - but it is now!

Meh. Cinder just got dropped from my pledge. He doesn't look that great.

More Bathalians where I have to get three I'll never use. They should make that big alien/demonspawn model in Bones. Or some big alien beatie. or a Tyranid beastie like a hormagaunt, or the Hudson's Bugs from Defiance Games. People would buy a ton of those. Maybe a big beastie like a RT/40K2-era Carnifex? People would buy that, in plastic.

I salute them for making the big stuff in Bones plastic, but why three Bathalians? How many Bathalians do you need? Are they like a race from some Reaper sci-fi game I'm not aware of? Are they a proxy for anything? A big mutant mind flayer? Who's clamoring for all these Bathalians, so much so, that they had to make three of them. If each figure was available alacarte I could add one to my sci-fi collection just for fun, but three? What the am I going to do with three of them?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Chris, I'm going to be buying multiples of them. Well, of two of them, and a single of the third. They would also make for part of a great Lovecraftian "counts as" Tyranids army as the warriors and Lictors and such.

Plus they are cool as hell. Way cooler than yet another dragon standing there like a dog doing a trick.

If they only offered one, couldn't someone be saying "What the feth am I going to do with only one?"

 chris_valera wrote:
Meh. Cinder just got dropped from my pledge. He doesn't look that great.

More Bathalians where I have to get three I'll never use. They should make that big alien/demonspawn model in Bones. Or some big alien beatie. or a Tyranid beastie like a hormagaunt, or the Hudson's Bugs from Defiance Games. People would buy a ton of those. Maybe a big beastie like a RT/40K2-era Carnifex? People would buy that, in plastic.

I salute them for making the big stuff in Bones plastic, but why three Bathalians? How many Bathalians do you need? Are they like a race from some Reaper sci-fi game I'm not aware of? Are they a proxy for anything? A big mutant mind flayer? Who's clamoring for all these Bathalians, so much so, that they had to make three of them. If each figure was available alacarte I could add one to my sci-fi collection just for fun, but three? What the am I going to do with three of them?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

At this point, you are really just coming across as whining for the sake of whining.

Now's a good time to jump in folks. You still have people shuffling and combining pledges over in Europe, the occasional dropped pledge altogether, and Texans volunteering for the later waves since they will be picking up their stuff in person, so Early Waves are coming open fairly frequently, but it is slowing down how often.

Seems like at least wave 3-5 has an opening every couple minutes.

I wonder if the tiered pledges is also keeping people a bit more hesitant. Personally I like the idea of people being given a realistic delivery target, especially across potentially tens of thousands of packages.

But I can see how a later wave 1-2+ months after the first sets wouldn't sit well with some people.

However, on the other hand, it's not realistic to expect 10, 15, 20k+ packages to be sent out within a few weeks from even a dedicated team.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Now's a good time to jump in folks. You still have people shuffling and combining pledges over in Europe, the occasional dropped pledge altogether, and Texans volunteering for the later waves since they will be picking up their stuff in person, so Early Waves are coming open fairly frequently, but it is slowing down how often.

Seems like at least wave 3-5 has an opening every couple minutes.

Has Reaper said anything on how they're doing the wave shipping? Just curious, I haven't heard anything on how the shipping waves are going to work. Would picking up a shipment locally defeat the purpose of, or slow down, the wave shipping? I'm assuming the wave shipping is being used to make it quicker for Reaper to process ~2000 orders each wave, then move on to the next wave when done.

Anyone know?

~iPaint

I haven't found any details on how they're doing the wave shipping. I mean, what if they had the same problem with the on-time core set and late add-ons like they did with KS1? If you want to pick up stuff locally, pledge at wave 7.

More importantly, thanks for the Dwarven Forge tiles tutorial! (: How long did it take to basecoat your tiles?

And, yes, backers are jumping ship, so early waves are available.

 -iPaint- wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
Now's a good time to jump in folks. You still have people shuffling and combining pledges over in Europe, the occasional dropped pledge altogether, and Texans volunteering for the later waves since they will be picking up their stuff in person, so Early Waves are coming open fairly frequently, but it is slowing down how often.

Seems like at least wave 3-5 has an opening every couple minutes.

Has Reaper said anything on how they're doing the wave shipping? Just curious, I haven't heard anything on how the shipping waves are going to work. Would picking up a shipment locally defeat the purpose of, or slow down, the wave shipping? I'm assuming the wave shipping is being used to make it quicker for Reaper to process ~2000 orders each wave, then move on to the next wave when done.

Anyone know?

~iPaint

I don't think they are really planning anything special on the shipping - the big issue is really to go through and answer the question of "When is my order going to ship?" ahead of time so that they don't get bogged down on dealing with those issues later on. The 2000 per period is a pretty low bar for them to meet with each wave being about a week and a half long. They have managed to work out a lot of kinks with large batch shipping and their warehouse will actually be complete and setup to store all the new product so they won't be having to pull things out of the shipping containers as they process orders.


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ced1106 wrote:
And, yes, backers are jumping ship, so early waves are available.

While some early slots are opening up - I wouldn't quite use that phrase (sounds a bit like the campaign is back sliding). They are still increasing - and at a pretty good pace. Today is already the 4th highest day of the campaign and there are still 3 hours left of pledges for todays total.

Yeah, some early backers may be dropping, but that's not surprising. That happens with every campaign; just as some people wait until the last couple of days to get on board, others join early and wait until the last few days to drop.

The sad thing about this way of doing it is that any who do leave and regret doing so might 'lose their place in line' considerably.

It's just more noticeable here because instead of 5 people leaving from a tier while 12 join, 2 are leaving "wave 3" and 1 is leaving "wave 5" and 2 are leaving "wave 6", or whatever.

I'm sure there'll be a few people gloating about how they joined in the last few hours/minutes or changed their pledge in that time and got in at wave 2 or something.

 Sasori wrote:

At this point, you are really just coming across as whining for the sake of whining.

It's not whining it's just that that's a lot of Bathalians they're making, for no ral reason. Three variants of a race? Making big figures and Tyranid stand-ins I understand, but three variants of the same figure?

It reminds me of the "crates" dialogue from Destroy all Humans 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52-_MDcf8PA#t=2m38s

"Hey, Pox, do you ever notice? There seems to be a lot of crates lying around. Just random crates. I mean, what could they all be for? You can't tell me anybody needs this many crates, just lying around. I guess if they were being used for something, then... then I could understand. So many crates..."

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Maybe this grub add-on will be unlocked by the time I get up tomorrow(2.261mil now). Hopefully the next reveal will be something really neat for the core. This scifi stuff is neat and all, but mostly useless for me. I imagine all these fantasy goals are uninteresting to the scifi fans as well.

I dropped. Go figure this KS closes right as I'm strapped for cash. Had they charged me a month ago I'd have been good.

Wave 5 available for someone if they want.

Aaaaaand it's gone.

It's also entirely possible that they're not looking to blow the roof off this thing. Draw people in who feel it's a good deal, set up reasonable expectations for delivery, aim to continue to expand their facilities, build the brand and keep it all doable.

Not every big KS has to be 'zomg the biggest ever!', but at 150 or whatever figures for $100 +S&H, that's pretty solid. I like what they've done in terms of timing on the tiers, and also think the expansions are an interesting idea; a larger scale 'build your own' without going into intricate detail on specific add ons, and even only partially funded, at $50 apiece I wish I could justify snagging some.

And I do think that some people are discounting the end of campaign bump when those "48 hours left" emails go out.

 Forar wrote:
It's also entirely possible that they're not looking to blow the roof off this thing. Draw people in who feel it's a good deal, set up reasonable expectations for delivery, aim to continue to expand their facilities, build the brand and keep it all doable.

Not every big KS has to be 'zomg the biggest ever!', but at 150 or whatever figures for $100 +S&H, that's pretty solid. I like what they've done in terms of timing on the tiers, and also think the expansions are an interesting idea; a larger scale 'build your own' without going into intricate detail on specific add ons, and even only partially funded, at $50 apiece I wish I could justify snagging some.

And I do think that some people are discounting the end of campaign bump when those "48 hours left" emails go out.

I guessed this was the plan pretty early when they quickly started spacing stretches. It still may get close to $3M, but the deal isn't as great, and many of the models aren't the best of Reaper's catalogue (as those were converted last time). And Reaper is probably happy even at the level they're currently at. There's nice models, but I'm likely to drop from a main pledge to just picking the models I want. Spend less, less clutter, and all models I really want.