Reaper Bones II: Closed at $3,169,610

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**BobtheInquisitor**

pretre wrote:
-iPaint- wrote:
Can it be September already?

*drools*

~iPaint

I'm just not feeling as excited about this one as the first one. Something may be wrong with me.

It's not just you. I think Reaper ran the second one with too much obvious cynicism, and it really killed a lot of the joy in the process.

**-iPaint-**

I'll be excited to get some of the bigger minis, like the dragons (only got Nethy and Kaly last time), giants, and spider, as well as the ruined tower and some more generic monsters.

Now, when I'll get around to painting everything...

~iPaint

**pretre**

Alpharius wrote:
You might already have too many miniatures, and you're about to get a lot more?

It might be that or it might be that I'm in a D&D lull right now. Not sure what bob means by the cynicism bit.

**ChaoticMind**

pretre wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
You might already have too many miniatures, and you're about to get a lot more?

It might be that or it might be that I'm in a D&D lull right now. Not sure what bob means by the cynicism bit.

Probably the fact they weren't as excited in their presentation of this one. The first was a steady stream of OMG! HOLY

! YAY! while this one was: We can't be as crazy as last time but it's still an amazing deal and we hope you support the awesomeness. But remember it won't be as nuts as Bones one.

**GrimDork**

^And then we're all steamrolling in the final sprint and they're like: "Meh, we got to 3mil, we're done. Oh what you guys want stretch goals anyway? Uhh, hey bob looks like you got the short straw PIE. Still not happy? Spider? Kthxbai!" Or maybe that was in a different order.. but still.

I missed out on bones 1, and I'm in a semi-permanent D&D lull... but I'm still fairly excited to get my stuff

I will have to see the sheer massiveness of Khan'jira and the DDS2 dragon, and kraken and so on.. to believe them. Plus tons of little minis to paint for fun.

**Sinful Hero**

I completely forgot about the not-tarrasque and everything. I am so looking forward to this....

Spoiler:

**BobtheInquisitor**

pretre wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
You might already have too many miniatures, and you're about to get a lot more?

It might be that or it might be that I'm in a D&D lull right now. Not sure what bob means by the cynicism bit.

Well, it's mostly just a feeling. First they raised the Bones 1 prices by about 50 cents to a dollar for a human-sized figure. Then the second KS was clearly expected to make more than 3 million and planned that way with all the silly stretch goal shenanigans and creator arrogance you see in a second kickstarter. Then you have them finally giving everyone who isn't Buglips or one of his clique what they want, and they do so by throwing them in huge $50 bundles with bizarre combinations that made almost no one happy, almost as if they wanted to set certain lines up for failure or just piss off the wargamers in their midst. Then there was the add-on madness and the higher prices and the sense that the deal wasn't anywhere near as good by design.

Sure, they are a company and they need to make some money, but customer goodwill will help them a lot more after the kickstarter than any number of flabby rat strippers.

**Azazelx**

Good write-up, Bob.

**kronk**

I didn't like most of the add-ons this last go around.

Also, as Alph says, I'm swimming in minis and I moved away from my RPG group.

Sad panda.

**Wehrkind**

Yea, I hardly got any models this time around, mostly paints. The add on sets were just not focused enough to get me excited (why not focused terrain only sets?) and I have a bajillion bones models now to paint from the first run, so there wasn't a lot to grab me.

Still, it was a really good deal if you need a bunch of different models, and some were pretty appealing. It just didn't do what I needed it to to get my interest.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Unlike Bones I where the minis were just so cheap it didn't matter that I only wanted about 1/4 or less

Bones II had higher prices,

much higher shipping to the UK (absolutely reasonable considering what reaper has to pay to ship over here), b

oth of which also mean more cash on customs charges (as they are calculated on a % basis)

so I'd have needed to actually want 1/2 or more of them and I just didn't, so I've cherry I picked a few I really wanted, but not nearly so much as last time

if I was US based I'd have picked a lot more, but probably not the random bundles which would have been easier o justify if more focused

but reaper is a business and I certainly don't begrudge them changing things to work more in their favour . The first KS did negatively impact their normal business last time as so many people were tied up in fulfilment etc

**Alpharius**

Update!

Update #93

Jun 23 2014
2nd June Update!
19 comments
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As before, Production continues, with no setbacks to report. We continue to expect delivery in time for Wave One to begin shipping in September, as scheduled, with other waves to follow.
If You Have An Address Change

If you need to change your address at any time before your order is shipped, please log in to our Pledge Manager at ks.reapermini.com and update your address there.
Art Update!

This week we present to you the Greater Demon from the Demon Lords Option. This Demon was available with the Minotaur Demon which was previewed in Update #83. During the Project run, this Demon was previewed only with paper wings, and in fact still has those wings on the Front Page! So here's 3 angles of this Bad Guy with his official Wings - and a close-up of his snake-headed tail! As always, Knight Forscale Not Included.

And at the link below is a Preview of Michael Proctor's painted Dragons Don't Share II Ruins - which will be used on the Box Art!

http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/previews/latest/77381
Convention Schedule

Another reminder - July 4 Weekend would normally be the First July Update, but that has been pushed back due to our upcoming Appearance at PaizoCon. Following that, Reaper will have a presence at GenCon (but not a sales booth) and at Pax Prime in Room 302 (same room as previous years) where we will be running a Paint and Take.

Thanks!
~Reaper

I'm really glad I got that 'Dragons Don't Share' pack!

**GrimDork**

Me too, I almost got two but found other stuff. I'm also more excited about this now since I realized my pilfered early bird shipping is in September rather than November! Huzzah!

**Sinful Hero**

Glad I got the dragon's ruins too. I doubt mine will end up as well painted. I forgot about the big Minotaur, but I just realized he sure does have a lot of fiddly bits that may need hot water treatment.

**highlord tamburlaine**

We'll be seeing their CAV kickstarter before we see a Bones 3, if that even is a thing.

I'm curious as to how they'll go about their CAV stuff. Bones has a lot more broader appeal, whereas CAV is either playing to the established crowd or it's going to have to be a Bones 1 type deal to get people interested.

Now if there was multi purpose terrain... then we could talk...

**GrimDork**

Huh... I may have to invest... a bit at least. A lot o those CAV things are pretty interesting, the largest of them seem to have solid conversion potential for other systems. If cheap enough, the Reaper will harvest more funds

**pretre**

Man, I wish I got that. Maybe someone will sell one off.

**GrimDork**

I was going to, had two ordered, but then I decided I liked the scifi set enough to switch to that instead.

**RiTides**

They should do a terrain-only Bones kickstarter! I'd be all over that... the material is perfect for terrain, imo.

**-iPaint-**

Bryan at Reaper mentioned that they didn't want to step on any of their fellow manufacturers' toes too much by doing terrain. Though there is a market for accessories, which I'm glad to see more and more of for Bones (dungeon, space, and modern are all getting some Bones love in the second KS - the jersey barriers and dumpsters will be great for Zombie games).

The bigger pieces are interesting, though, in that they're being made in a durable material (Bones), when before they were only capable of being cast in resin. Not sure if resin ends up being lighter than Bones or not, but I'd feel a heck of a lot safer dropping any of my Bones pieces before anything in resin.

~iPaint

**GrimDork**

Glad to hear positive things about bones for large minis. I grabbed several of the biggest pieces from Bones II and haven't really been personally exposed to anything made of bonesium larger than Sir Forscale.

**-iPaint-**

GrimDork wrote:
Glad to hear positive things about bones for large minis. I grabbed several of the biggest pieces from Bones II and haven't really been personally exposed to anything made of bonesium larger than Sir Forscale.

Bones I had some hit and miss models. Top heavy models that stood on skinny legs or small bases were troublesome, since the material is not rigid like metal, and has some bend to it. Hence why I did not decide to pledge for Verocithrax this time round - he looks like he'd have trouble supporting his own weight.

The more Reaper works with Bones, the quicker they'll fine-tune the troublesome areas, and hopefully new sculpts can be commissioned with the material in mind from the get-go.

~iPaint

**highlord tamburlaine**

I wanted to get Verocithrax as well, but they never seemed to commit to how stiff he was going to be, other than saying they didn't think he'd be as floppy as some of the thinner pieces they made.

Will wait until it's out in the wild. Even though I missed the first campaign, I ended up buying a fair chunk at retail. Will probably do the same here, as I really wasn't a fan of those expansion packs. Too much chaff and not enough wheat.

If they don't want to do terrain, then by all means please continue with accessories.

Curious how Bonesium trees could turn out. Sell a pack of three various sized ones with enough detail, I'm sure they'd find homes on many tables. I have yet to find any tabletop trees I'm not going to have to worry about my kids thrashing and leaving a mess in their wake.

**Sinful Hero**

GrimDork wrote:
Glad to hear positive things about bones for large minis. I grabbed several of the biggest pieces from Bones II and haven't really been personally exposed to anything made of bonesium larger than Sir Forscale.

Cthulu and Nethyrmaul are awesome, no complaints here, and Kaladrax is fething HUGE. Although all suffer from the Wehrkind Spongy Factor, or "WFS", they are awesome models I don't regret getting.

**Wehrkind**

I would buy a forest or two of Bones trees. Oh my gods. I would buy ALL THE TREES. And terrain in general, but TREES FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND PROFANE.

*ahem*

Definitely happy with my Bones 1 order. Cthulu is pretty cool, in fact his head alone would make an awesome model of a scary ass cephalopod. The dragons and giants are nice, even if the storm giant's sword was a little flaccid. I didn't order as much from Bones 2, but really looking forward to the dragons don't share terrain and a few other bits.

**SilverMK2**

The storm giant's sword is pretty much the only part of bones 1 that refuses to straighten. May have to drill and pin it or cut a channel, pin and resculpt it.

Other than that the models I have painted have been fine (though I did have to prime them as they really hate watered down paints.

The kaladrax I got has been quite extensively cut up and put back together - the softness of bones is great for this.

**BobtheInquisitor**

You don't have to prime them. Just use one undiluted coat, then paint like normal.

**SilverMK2**

Yeah, so apply a layer of paint before painting... may as well just prime them

**Azazelx**

I put a layer of (foundation) paint on my giant (I think it's probably the same one you guys are talking about, big silly-looking sword on him) and the paint is tacky as all hell. And yes, pretty sure he got a good wash as well.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

The propellant in some aerosols reacts with the Bones PVC and causes problems like tackiness/stickiness

(if you brushed on your foundation I've no idea what the problem might be)