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The were somewhat on time - I think certain larger models are still pending?

 CptJake wrote:
Bringing in the war gamers is a smart move, but not at the exclusion of the board gamers, especially when even the base product for this KS is a deluxe version of an upcoming board game.

Lack of any real detail about how the boxed board game is going to play at this stage is bad. Lack of real detail about the components other than the figures is bad.

A proper retail version has a lot of potential. Think of how many copies of Heroscape and similar mass release boardgames with miniatures have distributed and sold.

I get the impression the board game, even though it is the basis for the KS, was and is really nothing but an afterthought. I suspect if it wasn't included in a licensing agreement it would not be happening.

It seems, based on what we've been shown so far, that Prodos is stuck within their safety bubble of great figures and using the crutch of the Warzone rules rather than really bringing creative effort into making the board game great. And again, a great retail version has the potential to outsell the war game and the resin figures.

Just seems like lost opportunity.

Hopefully I'm wrong. It would be nice if Prodos would set me straight.

Agreed. They are marketing a starter set to a wargame (akin to what many GW consumers are used to the for nearly the past 2 decades) as a board game. And while starter sets may techinically be boardgames, and this one especially since it does come with a playing surface, they are so out of touch with the boardgaming side they were actually marketing this towards to begin with, that this project has lost most sense of identity.

Look at it this way. We all know you can use termies and stealers in 40k. But spacehulk the board game had its own solid set of unique rules beyond 40k.
Prodos has allowed the assumption of similarity here amongst boardgamers, (who let's face it, outnumber wargamers by a very wide margin. One has only to look boardgame geeks user numbers to validate that assertion) that the same was likely true in the case of AVP as well.

But it turns out it isn't, and quite a few people who would have stayed on board are now alienated. No pun intended.

I tried to point this out before, but I was accused of hudson level histrionics. Too bad for Prodos that they didn't know what the hell they were marketing or how the hell to.market it prior to the project campaign.

Because a lot of people actually feel foolish for keeping their funds in this, present company included. The only reason iam staying is for the marine models. I wish I could be staying for the other awesome models, but looking at their game I don't see any reason for that, for the pragmatic use of gaming anyways.


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 paulson games wrote:
I have a hard time following the Ks page, it's very disorganized compared to most of the previous KS pages I've backed. I have a very hard time understanding what the various pledges translate to in regard to product. Maybe I'm the only one but I am very confused as to what is actually being offered, but I can't help but think that page being a jumble might be keeping others from backing.

Based on the pics I really like the minis but it's not an easy page to figure out which doesn't encourage me to pledge. The timing is also horrible, so late in the year means I have no budget. It's a shame as the minis do look great.

You're not the only one, and I have been following this fairly closely since the 2nd day. I think I have it 80% right, but that's not good enough.

Well Hellfury, you're only in for marines, but I'm only in for Aliens- someday we need to meet at a Con and can make an awesome display setup, if nothing else

 Grot 6 wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
I have a hard time following the Ks page, it's very disorganized compared to most of the previous KS pages I've backed. I have a very hard time understanding what the various pledges translate to in regard to product. Maybe I'm the only one but I am very confused as to what is actually being offered, but I can't help but think that page being a jumble might be keeping others from backing.

Based on the pics I really like the minis but it's not an easy page to figure out which doesn't encourage me to pledge. The timing is also horrible, so late in the year means I have no budget. It's a shame as the minis do look great.

Oh believe you me, I have the cash to throw at it, the KS page really just put it over the end for me. Your not the only one. Thats why I stuck with 75, and really give a damn if anything else comes with it.

apperently 75 pounds is chicken feed, so not worth the bother that the higher pledges are supposed to grease out of the goose.


Minis might be great, walk around on the table on thier own, and do flips, that doesn't do well when your jamming them like that, AND trying to cater to everyone but who your trying to sell a game to.

Pledges are broken, disorganized, and smack of greedy git switcharoo.

Kickstartersuccess-itis is going to bite this one hard.

"Oh sorry fellows, we're going to be 6 more months late..." or some sort of gak. Which sucks, because I'd drop hard cash on this one in a hot second if I could just get the game without a gak load of gimmick.

Amen, grot 6. I withdrew almost $500 because they couldn't get their gak straight and was set to dump another $500 if theycould prove that they knew what they were doing.


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 RiTides wrote:
They were on-time with Warzone, weren't they? And this is for less models. They've shown that they can cast high quality resin models in a timely fashion, so I don't know where that speculation is coming from.

There are still many people without their pledges. But in Prodos defense, Prodos are making regular shipments so its only a matter of time. But the entire get up is still not fulfilled and if you look.at the ks page, you can see that much of their products are still in production, even at tberendering level. But Prodos seem to be good at communicating where they are so this is good.

As for meeting up against your aliens, I'm afraid it won't be very likely,.sadly. I am skeptical of this being a good wargame on a thematic level. Spent many a night debating how aliens would actually do against organized military if the xeno presence was actually known and am convinced that the only way the xenos could stand a chance was if they developed weapons. otherwise, the real militaryresponse would be to cut the loss, accept collateral damage, and.nuke anything they touch or have ever touched.

This is why as much asi would love an aliens wargame, why I think the idea behind it is ultimately doomed.

The idea surrdounding this works better at a smallskirmish level.Hence ideal for boardame or slightly biggerike necromunda.

Bad news bears:

Prodos wrote:Hi guys, regarding the "baby stretch" it's the £175 in the table and is for "Payback time" pledge level and above.

Boo :-/ hopefully a new wargaming pledge level once added will qualify...

 RiTides wrote:
Bad news bears:

Prodos wrote:Hi guys, regarding the "baby stretch" it's the £175 in the table and is for "Payback time" pledge level and above.

Boo :-/ hopefully a new wargaming pledge level once added will qualify...

Yes I worked that one out on my own and adjusted all the pledges in the chart I am keeping. It's fully up-to-date now for all pledges.

Can you link me to that chart again, basement?

I'm not too upset by this as I figure they'll be adding a wargaming pledge level that will qualify for it soon. But, releasing a little information wouldn't kill them (I sent them an email to get this bit clarified in the comments finally)

AVP pledge comparison chart

 RiTides wrote:
Bad news bears:

Prodos wrote:Hi guys, regarding the "baby stretch" it's the £175 in the table and is for "Payback time" pledge level and above.

Boo :-/ hopefully a new wargaming pledge level once added will qualify...

Well, that's disappointing. So the $136 pledge level doesn't qualify for any of the freebies apparently out of the last 4 posted?

What would have been clever to do would have been to offer the board game version as well during the KS. By board game I mean the single piece plastics.


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What is there to be confused about with regard to the pledge level? You pick a level and depending on that level you get X amount of money to spend on addons. At the aliens aren't from mars level you get the game. 7 free huggers. 105 to spend on addons. A free berserker. And we're up to 4 free addons when the baby arrives. So you pull 500 because you're confused? The chart is pretty clear on what each level does and does not get.

The frustrating part for me, Forlorn, is that they make it impossible to plan a pledge- the 200K goal was only revealed to be "Real Aliens" and above when we hit it. I am hoping, but can't tell, if the "Free Praetorian" goal is for everyone. We don't know how much the Queen will cost. And they won't tell us what the wargaming pledge levels will be. It's hard to give them my money but I'm going to try anyway

Finally there is no ambiguity to how many addons you get of which.

2 pledges = twice the addons of everything. I have just updated that in the comparison chart after the straight response from Prodos.
As for the locked ones - I will continues to update as more i revealed. 2 Accounts for pledging is no longer a thing.

Creator Prodos Games Ltd less than a minute ago

All add ons are per pledge, so if you have pledged at 'We're in the Pipe' level or higher you get 1 of each free add-on included. Except free Facehuggers which are per box.
So 2x 'We're in the Pipe' = 2x of each free add-on

So here it is... "Real Aliens" cost £165 (inc shipping), value if everything unlocks £304

1x "five by five" + 1x "looking good" cost £185 (inc shipping) and the value if everything unlocks £365

I think the Berserker is still just a free gift per backer, though, basement. As is the bonus figure if we hit 2000 backers. I've got 2 separate pledges at the moment now just to be safe... clarity isn't their strong suit

YAY! Queen is £35!

You beat me to it- we have answers! Not only that, but the "Free Praetorian" goal is for everyone at £75 and up!

Just copying the actual answers from the comments section here:

Question 1. Is the FREE PRAETORIAN goal for every pledge of "five by five" and above?
Prodos' Answer: We are in the pipe and up
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Question 2. How much will the Queen cost?
Prodos' Answer: £35

I still dunno what I want for my freebie stuff. I'm just gonna wait till the end to plan it out. But I do know I'm gonna stick with just aliens things, since those are the models I've always wanted the most. Everything else still looks great though. I'm at Payback time right now, but I might have to drop it down to the basic 75 level or I'll end up having to buy chia pets for everyone this xmas.

...This has just become completely in-friggin-possible to optimize a pledge to. Worst part is, this thing ends when I am both decidedly busy and stupidly drunk. This is gonna be fun to plan out...

For the freebies I chose the 15.00 Boxsets as my addon, for example I picked the beasts and Aliens box sets saving me 30.00 of my 105.00 for other items.

One thing I wish would be an idea of what the models will be in the game. Like do I need a bunch of face huggers or do I only need a few? Inquiring minds want to know.

Hopefully we'll get some clarity on that after their gaming demos on Saturday Forlorn, but I totally agree! I'm just going to load up on warriors, and add in a few predaliens and praetorians via the freebies (assuming we hit the later goal!), and then use the rest of the credit to get the big crusher and queen models

do I need a bunch of face huggers or do I only need a few?

Funny; of all the possible questions to ask here, this is one even I'd say is kinda obvious

Hahaha ya ya. You're right. It is obvious lol

So apparently, there is no need to include CMoN if you do want their service of shipping to North America.and are worried about Prodos charging more to ship your rewards to you directly from GB.


Brett P Winkelmans about 1 hour ago
@Prodos
Will the direct shipping to NA require further money beyond the 10GBP?

Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 1 hour ago
@Brett, no


Very good to know if you are the type of consumer who would rather do without or spend more money to ship it to you than to give David Doust a damn red cent. One which I will be utulizing if I decide to stick around this KS at the end.

 Hellfury wrote:
So apparently, there is no need to include CMoN if you do want their service of shipping to North America.and are worried about Prodos charging more to ship your rewards to you directly from GB.


Brett P Winkelmans about 1 hour ago
@Prodos
Will the direct shipping to NA require further money beyond the 10GBP?

Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 1 hour ago
@Brett, no


Very good to know if you are the type of consumer who would rather do without or spend more money to ship it to you than to give David Doust a damn red cent. One which I will be utulizing if I decide to stick around this KS at the end.

You take that stand!

I for one am eagerly awaiting what looks to be a great game in Rivet Wars.

Still undecided how deep to go in for AvP. I'm thinking the $200 level seems okay. Can't decide though. I probably need to figure out what I actually "want".

 Bolognesus wrote:

do I need a bunch of face huggers or do I only need a few?

Funny; of all the possible questions to ask here, this is one even I'd say is kinda obvious

Well played, sir. Well played

Regarding where to have it shipped from- I'm leaning towards having CMON do it, I feel like shipping within the US will be a bit safer

 RiTides wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

do I need a bunch of face huggers or do I only need a few?

Funny; of all the possible questions to ask here, this is one even I'd say is kinda obvious

Well played, sir. Well played

... having CMON do it ... will be a bit safer

...And I take it you're not really familiar with how smoothly (ahem) their shipping adventures generally are? Good God I'm glad for not having to have anything to do with those jokers this time 'round...

 Bolognesus wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

do I need a bunch of face huggers or do I only need a few?

Funny; of all the possible questions to ask here, this is one even I'd say is kinda obvious

Well played, sir. Well played

... having CMON do it ... will be a bit safer

...And I take it you're not really familiar with how smoothly (ahem) their shipping adventures generally are? Good God I'm glad for not having to have anything to do with those jokers this time 'round...

Can't say I've ever had any problems.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

do I need a bunch of face huggers or do I only need a few?

Funny; of all the possible questions to ask here, this is one even I'd say is kinda obvious

Well played, sir. Well played

... having CMON do it ... will be a bit safer

...And I take it you're not really familiar with how smoothly (ahem) their shipping adventures generally are? Good God I'm glad for not having to have anything to do with those jokers this time 'round...

Can't say I've ever had any problems.

...Among the lucky few. Too bad Mr. Doust still owes me a few hundred bucks for items still not delivered over a decade later.
He even went so far as to tell me to remove posting abroad various forums, back when The Warp forums was associated to new wave, one part of my shipment was received.
I refused, and it makes me wonder if that was the reason why I didn't receive the rest of my shipment.

Glad people have excellent dealing with Doust. But that spectre of the past still looms and only a fool ignores the precedence set in the past that likely will rear its head again in the future. He is not a better business man, proof of which can be seen in how he interacts with the public (zombicide ks, etc.) he is just a better bs artist.

One which for many many people still, would prefer to avoid doing business with if possible.

Just ask Kort Jensen, consumer fraud attorney in Helena, MT about this. Why is he relevant? Helena happens to be the sister city of alpharetta georgia where Doust did business in, for purposes of consumer fraud. He has more than a few cases still open last I heard.

I just meant the option between having CMON ship it domestically, versus Prodos from the UK.

But given that my packages may be a bit smaller due to not having the game box, maybe direct from Prodos is the way to go.

Didn't we have all of the CMON discussion in the first dozen pages of this thread?

Anyway, some lovely new pictures that I don't think anyone has posted yet? Good to see that they have obviously got some skilled painters doing their stuff, that almost looks like an NMM sheen on the head of the alien!

The sculpt is just not that good for the Drone. It's too hunched and not really tall, and those shoulders oh god those shoulders are so bad. The exaggeration of the tail is pretty poor too, while the head lacks Giger's phallec look. Also, typical monster feet. Limbs are lacking in the biomechanical feel too, and just seem too smooth. Chest is 'okay', but seems too small. Overall, a pretty poor sculpt. Real shame when compared to those colonial marines, which look pretty good. Also, £15 for five of those? Yikes. Would have loved to have seen something like this;