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Hey can anyone help me make a list where I fit as many autocannons into a 500 point ally FOC for imperial guard as i can

Come on, give us a little help. What do you have and what general direction do you want your army to go in? If you are just looking to cram autocannons, then I guess cheaping out on everything is a good place to start.

As much as I hate doing all the work for you:


HQ:
Company command squad, replace 2 guardsment with 1 autocannon- 60pts
Troops:
Infantry platoon:
1x Platoon command squad, replace 2 guardsmen with 1 autocannon HW team-40pts
2x Infantry squad, replace 2 guardsmen with 1 autocannon HW team- 120pts
4x HW squad, 3 autocannons- 75pts

Veteran squad, replace 2 vets with autocannon- 80pts

That is 500pts exactly, and has 17 autocannons.

Basically i made a 1500point death star of grey knights and i want an IG swarm of autocannons to cover their advance in a 2k list. Pretty goofy idea i know

anyone have thoughts on that idea?

you would probably be better of with 500 more points of gk. mind sharing your list>?

its not actually a legal list i dont have a troop choice im just messing around with the idea il add a 5 man strike squad and take away some powers if its even close to viable but its:

One unit of:

10 paladins

Brotherhood banner
Psybolt ammo
Hammerhand
Apothecary
(all nemisis force swords)
(4 psycannons and 5 Storm bolters)


Librarian #1

Might of the titan
Quicksilver
(Mastery level 2#)

Librarian #2

Misfortune
Foreboding
Prescience
(mastery level 3)

There she is. its literally just me messing around and trying to be cheesy, its a 1500 point death squad but is it at all playable if i put a cheap strike squad in the list and carried a cheap 500 point IG autocannon swarm?

If you don't care about specifically using IG, I'd bet that Psyrifleman Dreadnoughts would cover your thirst for autocannon spam a lot better.

haha how... 500 points with 17 autocannons? that rediculous, 17 different autocannons to try and take out as apposed to a couple dreadnoughts

you cannot chose rulebook powers in a regular game. and lack of ap2 in the "deathstar" is not so great.

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
you cannot chose rulebook powers in a regular game. and lack of ap2 in the "deathstar" is not so great.

He is choosing them from his codex.

i know thats why it isnt a legal list im just messing around, i just figure the deathstar has 2+ and 4++ plus feel no pain with 2 wounds each, 16 strength 7 shots, like 10 strength 5 storm bolter shots, enemy has to reroll saves, i get to re roll missed hits, i got like 48 strength 6 hits in close combat that ignore armour, so i got that death blob marching across with (i hope) enough survivalability and shooting to hold their own until they reach the enemy lines, and with 17 autocannons firing away the enemy is either gunna have to focus all their fire on my approaching deathstar and get pounded by autocannon fire every turn or try picking off the auto cannon teams while me deathstar gets closer and once it gets into assault range its game over for any squad it touches not to mention full BS overwatch shots. idk haha im just trying to be cheesy

 Lemartes12 wrote:

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
you cannot chose rulebook powers in a regular game. and lack of ap2 in the "deathstar" is not so great.

He is choosing them from his codex.

some of them aren't in the codex.


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Arbitere wrote:
haha how... 500 points with 17 autocannons? that rediculous, 17 different autocannons to try and take out as apposed to a couple dreadnoughts

you forget to mention they are bs3, and squishy.

and forceswords dont ignore 2+ armor saves. and the liby would be great with, instead of full bs overwatch, to have reroll invuln saves.

Yes your right they are bs3 so they will get an average of 17 strength 7 hits every shooting turn which i think is a bargain for 500 points, and yeah they are squishy, so go ahead spend all of your shooting turn blasting away at 17 different autocannon teams spread down my deployment line, meanwhile my deathstar will be headed for you? yeah yeah see how this could work eh?

 Ryan_A wrote:
HQ:
Company command squad, replace 2 guardsment with 1 autocannon- 60pts
Troops:
Infantry platoon:
1x Platoon command squad, replace 2 guardsmen with 1 autocannon HW team-40pts
2x Infantry squad, replace 2 guardsmen with 1 autocannon HW team- 120pts
4x HW squad, 3 autocannons- 75pts

Veteran squad, replace 2 vets with autocannon- 80pts

That is 500pts exactly, and has 17 autocannons.

That's actually 600 points it it not?
CCS 60
PCS 40
IS1 60
IS2 60
HW1 75
HW2 75
HW3 75
HW4 75
VET 80

Yes you are correct its 600 points, another question though, the rulebook states you cant mix psychic powers from your codex and the rulebook but its only talking about a 1 psychic, if i have 2 then it sounds to me like i can take one with all codex powers and 1 with all rulebook powers?

Take out the vets and a 520 pts for 16 autocannons with a decent spread is not a bad idea at all for an allied guard detachment plus more than 16 will be hitting on average due to orders. How many heavy weapon squads are you allowed for platoon slot?

or play marines

can anyone answer the question about pyschers though?

HQ:
Leman Russ Exterminator command tank, 200
Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Artificer Hull

Troop 1:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

Troop 2:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

There you go, 12 Autocannon shots that are twin-linked, 4 of which are BS4, and 15 Heavy Bolter shots, 9 of which are BS4, on armor 14 platforms with 10 hull points, that can give/receive orders and they can move and shoot every gun at full BS.

Um...only 10 paladins and two librarins is 1500? ive seen lists with a crap ton more pladins, where are all the points?

Okay here is the list of paladins:

Draigo - 275

Librarian - 175

Might of the titan
Quicksilver
Master crafted everything
Psybolt ammo

10 Paladins - 840

Apothecary
4 Psycannons
Bro banner
Psybolt ammo
Mastercrafted everything

There it is, please dont try and explain to me how useless some of the upgrades are i know im just trying to make the unit as cheasy and expensive as possible, they are 1290 points, and id LIKE TO replace draigo with a second level 3 librarian that can take misfortune, foreboding, and prescience but no one has answered as to the legality of that

ALSO: as to that 3 tank list, paladins are week to high strength low ap so i thought id like to use all the guardsmen autocannon teams cause they have strength in numbers and
low ap wont be that useful against them cause id only take out one team where as 3 tanks have the same weakness as the paladin squad

Howzabout you add another 10 pallies instead of the guards man

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
HQ:
Leman Russ Exterminator command tank, 200
Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Artificer Hull

Troop 1:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

Troop 2:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

There you go, 12 Autocannon shots that are twin-linked, 4 of which are BS4, and 15 Heavy Bolter shots, 9 of which are BS4, on armor 14 platforms with 10 hull points, that can give/receive orders and they can move and shoot every gun at full BS.

I hope you don't mind, but I've always wanted guard tanks as allies and I may steal this idea. Compared to a baal: 4 tl auto cannon shots instead of 4 tl assault cannon shots and the same amount of hb for just 5pts more... worth the same points I would say, until you consider that the much higher durability really puts the exterminator ahead even with bs3!

Yes, one psyker can rule on the rule book powers, and a 2nd SEPARATE psyker can use the codex powers. HOWEVER, you can't pick rule book powers, they MUST be rolled for each game. AND if you drop Draigo then your pallies suddenly aren't troops choices and you'll need 2 troops choices for your GK as per the FOC for primary detachment.

THANK YOU KHAINE. alright so if i have:

Draigo - 275

Librarian - 175

Might of the titan
Quicksilver
Master crafted everything
Psybolt ammo

10 Paladins - 840

Apothecary
4 Psycannons
Bro banner
Psybolt ammo
Mastercrafted everything

Which is a 1290 point list plus the original Imperial guard list which is actually 560 points for the 17 autocannons, i have myself a 1850 point list, can anyone comment as to it's effectivness?

It's a fun idea, I'll give you that. And it does kinda fit GK fluff as they're supposed to be hard enough to only need a few.

I do have a few BUTS though!

I don't think your list has anywhere near enough AT. I know pay cannons are S7 and auto cannons S8 but that's not über reliable. Your other issue is that if GK are your primary detachment then the pallies still only provide you with 1 troops choice. I know I'm being a stippler for the rules, but if you're actually planning on running this list the it needs to be legal. I don't know the best way of being able to pull that off exactly. I'm a big fan of strike squads as they have warp quake, but it doesn't really fit your list.

Don't expect it to be uber competitive. I can see a lot of lists tabling this unfortunately. But it does look kinda fun!

Autocannon are strength 7 too, not 8.

Psybolts

Poly Ranger wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
HQ:
Leman Russ Exterminator command tank, 200
Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Artificer Hull

Troop 1:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

Troop 2:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

There you go, 12 Autocannon shots that are twin-linked, 4 of which are BS4, and 15 Heavy Bolter shots, 9 of which are BS4, on armor 14 platforms with 10 hull points, that can give/receive orders and they can move and shoot every gun at full BS.

I hope you don't mind, but I've always wanted guard tanks as allies and I may steal this idea. Compared to a baal: 4 tl auto cannon shots instead of 4 tl assault cannon shots and the same amount of hb for just 5pts more... worth the same points I would say, until you consider that the much higher durability really puts the exterminator ahead even with bs3!

Same amount of Heavy bolter shots? does the baal pred have a hull heavy bolter? because the exterminator stock is the auto cannon and a hell heavy bolter and for a couple more points you get sponson bolters which adds 2 more Heavy bolters, 3 for the exterminator and 2 for the pred, although the pred does have a better bs and is faster the russ has much better armor on the front and side making it very hard to kill at a distcance.

 tankboy145 wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
HQ:
Leman Russ Exterminator command tank, 200
Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Artificer Hull

Troop 1:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

Troop 2:
Leman Russ Exterminator 150

There you go, 12 Autocannon shots that are twin-linked, 4 of which are BS4, and 15 Heavy Bolter shots, 9 of which are BS4, on armor 14 platforms with 10 hull points, that can give/receive orders and they can move and shoot every gun at full BS.

I hope you don't mind, but I've always wanted guard tanks as allies and I may steal this idea. Compared to a baal: 4 tl auto cannon shots instead of 4 tl assault cannon shots and the same amount of hb for just 5pts more... worth the same points I would say, until you consider that the much higher durability really puts the exterminator ahead even with bs3!

Same amount of Heavy bolter shots? does the baal pred have a hull heavy bolter? because the exterminator stock is the auto cannon and a hell heavy bolter and for a couple more points you get sponson bolters which adds 2 more Heavy bolters, 3 for the exterminator and 2 for the pred, although the pred does have a better bs and is faster the russ has much better armor on the front and side making it very hard to kill at a distcance.

Indeed, the Exterminator is a better tank than the Baal predator in my opinion, especially given the extra hull point and point of BS on command tanks for 30 points more if you're using the Armored Battlegroup list (like I was).