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 deviantduck wrote:
She who bails, fails.
- Pretre

She who bails, gets her points back.

ERJAK wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
She who bails, fails.
- Pretre

She who bails, gets her points back.

I used to think that. Then I ran my girls in Repressors and they kept making their points back while being around to score later in the game.

Exactly. Getting your points back is useless if you still lose the game.

With a repressor, you can still fire all your meltas and do it multiple times in the game. If you bail, you die.

I must be out of date on the repressor rules in that case.

I was under the impression that it could fire two special weapons from the top hatch and then had 3 firing points on each side for bolt type weapons so you could essentially shoot 6 bolters on each side (two per firing point).

Did this change in the latest Imperial Armour book?

Voldrak wrote:
I must be out of date on the repressor rules in that case.

I was under the impression that it could fire two special weapons from the top hatch and then had 3 firing points on each side for bolt type weapons so you could essentially shoot 6 bolters on each side (two per firing point).

Did this change in the latest Imperial Armour book?

Yes.

2 Out the top and then three side which can each be used by one passenger.

So, effectively, 4 meltas and a combi at any one target.

Time to post the list I have been working on.

I like playing at the 2500 level and I am looking for feedback.



++ Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1130pts) ++

+ HQ (135pts) +

Saint Celestine (135pts)

+ Troops (230pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (115pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Meltagun, Sororitas Rhino]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (115pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Meltagun, Sororitas Rhino]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Fast Attack (390pts) +

Dominion Squad (105pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Dominion Squad (105pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Dominion Squad (180pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun, Repressor [FW]]
Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Heavy Support (375pts) +

Exorcist (125pts)

Exorcist (125pts)

Exorcist (125pts)

++ Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1069pts) ++

+ HQ (100pts) +

Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (100pts)

+ Troops (230pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (115pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Meltagun, Sororitas Rhino]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (115pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Meltagun, Sororitas Rhino]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Fast Attack (345pts) +

Dominion Squad (180pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun, Repressor [FW]]
Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Seraphim Squad (165pts) [5x Seraphim, Seraphim with Two Inferno Pistols, Seraphim with Two Inferno Pistols]

+ Heavy Support (394pts) +

Retributor Squad (124pts) [2x Retributor, 4x Retributor with Heavy Flamer]
Retributor Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Retributor Squad (124pts) [2x Retributor, 4x Retributor with Heavy Flamer]
Retributor Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Retributor Squad (146pts) [2x Retributor, 4x Retributor with Heavy Bolter, Retributor with Simulacrum Imperialis]
Retributor Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

++ Blood Angels: Codex (2014) (BA Flesh Tearers Strike Force) (295pts) ++

+ (No Category) +

Relics and Detachment-rules [Codex: Blood Angels]

+ HQ (85pts) +

Sanguinary Priest (85pts) [The Angel's Wing]

+ Troops (70pts) +

Scout Squad (70pts) [Camo Cloaks, 4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]
Scout Sergeant [Sniper Rifle]

+ Fast Attack (140pts) +

Drop Pod (35pts) [Storm Bolter]

Drop Pod (35pts) [Storm Bolter]

Drop Pod (35pts) [Storm Bolter]

Drop Pod (35pts) [Storm Bolter]



The basics:

Celestine runs with the Sanguinary Priest for toughness 4 against shooting. She also gains feel no pain. Seraphims can always be bodyguards, otherwise I run them as a separate harassment unit.

Two dominion squads with meltas go in drop pods.
Two retributor squads with heavy flamers go in drop pods.

I get flexibility on turn 1. Whether I need to pop armor or get rid of infrantry, I pick the two squads better suited to the task. More dominions in repressors for some scouting or outflanking flexibility.

The rest of the list should normally be self explanatory.

Comments?

 pretre wrote:
Exactly. Getting your points back is useless if you still lose the game.

With a repressor, you can still fire all your meltas and do it multiple times in the game. If you bail, you die.

This comes down to meta honestly. If you guys are playing against a lot of blob cqc guard or footslog tac marines then sure, shooting out of the repressor will give you multiple shots. Where I play, you will be out of range turn 1 because no one is dumb enough to put something within 30". By turn 2 all, your girls are out on foot anyway, only pinned, down 1 squaddie, and 3" out of counterattack range. Target saturation+surprise extra 6 inches+Tanks that can actually function alright on their own make Immolators a compelling choice against repressors in some metas. The way I like to run it is 2 Immos as a vanguard unit, disembarking to alpha out whatever my opponent though needed to be less than 36 inches away from me and then have the repressor come wave 2 and be a lot harder to shift while also still having to deal with now 4 groups of melta in his face. Putting normal troops in repressors to follow would be pretty great though.

For mech sisters you HAVE TO be killing things turn 1 because even front armor 13 repressors don't have the kind of staying power you need to fight full on attrition.

Welps.

That list idea just died with the release of this new FAQ.

Now I have to find out what I am going to do with those newly purchased BA models.

Are they unopened? You could probably return them.

So with the new FAQ hitting, what is changing in everyone's plans? I never relied on drop pods, so that doesn't hit me all that hard. Most likely the biggest impact on me is the grenade assault nerf, which makes monsters a whole lot harder for me to deal with if I let them get to me.

No drop pod sisters. So thats new.

 curran12 wrote:
So with the new FAQ hitting, what is changing in everyone's plans? I never relied on drop pods, so that doesn't hit me all that hard. Most likely the biggest impact on me is the grenade assault nerf, which makes monsters a whole lot harder for me to deal with if I let them get to me.

Scout got better. Bastion Jacobus got nerfed. Krak grenades are useless. Superfriends are even better.

I haven't had a chance to go through it all yet, how did Scout improve? I missed that.

Voldrak wrote:
Welps.

That list idea just died with the release of this new FAQ.

Now I have to find out what I am going to do with those newly purchased BA models.

I am working on a actual Flesh Tearers, army if you are serious pm me.

Also I am confused on the template ruling. Can we place different templates all at once so we don't lose out on hits due to casualties?

 curran12 wrote:
I haven't had a chance to go through it all yet, how did Scout improve? I missed that.

Scout moves now occur explicitly after Seize the Initiative is rolled. If your opponent seizes you can redeploy into cover/out of LOS and if they don't seize you can be super aggressive.

Templates and blasts now hit every level.

Glad I didn't invest too heavily in drop pods. That's a shame but I guess makes sense. At least we can overwatch invisibility.

 Celtic Strike wrote:
Glad I didn't invest too heavily in drop pods. That's a shame but I guess makes sense. At least we can overwatch invisibility.

Good thing I always borrowed my brother's BA drop pods instead of investing in my own.

No more Drop Pod Culexus either, such a shame.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

Also I am confused on the template ruling. Can we place different templates all at once so we don't lose out on hits due to casualties?

Nah, it's atrociously worded but it means; fire the heavy flamer, then resolve those hits then fire the normal flamer and resolve those hits, then if you want throw a grenade and/or shoot bolters with the rest of the girls.

Drider wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

Also I am confused on the template ruling. Can we place different templates all at once so we don't lose out on hits due to casualties?

Nah, it's atrociously worded but it means; fire the heavy flamer, then resolve those hits then fire the normal flamer and resolve those hits, then if you want throw a grenade and/or shoot bolters with the rest of the girls.

Thanks for the clarification

Although that does suck for BA and us uggh

FAQ as intended or FAQ as written

I'm really disappointed with the flamer ruling. It really feels like they're trying to tell us that our BSS are taking turns and politely allowing one sister to fire before the other. From a fluff standpoint this kills immersion and from a rules standpoint it's not like flamers were super-amazing-OP and needed a mechanical nerf to bring them in-line with other weapons. BSS are one of the few units in the game that this affects too, because you know... SoB OP right?

It also affects guard Platoon Command squads w/3 flamers and a HF. But yeah a real nerf.

Take this with a grain of salt as I usually do not bring up anything I hear. I've been burned as often as everyone else here when it comes to sisters, but I am finding myself hopefull for the first time in a few years.

I have had two people within the industry share information indicating that boxes of plastic sisters are now available at the memphis warehouse awaiting the go from HQ. Whether this is true or not obviously remains to be verified.

Previous rumors however seemed to indicate that there would be a release at the latest around this summer. I never expected this to be right, however if what I have been told turns out to be true, then we could see a release before end of the year.

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:
I'm really disappointed with the flamer ruling. It really feels like they're trying to tell us that our BSS are taking turns and politely allowing one sister to fire before the other. From a fluff standpoint this kills immersion and from a rules standpoint it's not like flamers were super-amazing-OP and needed a mechanical nerf to bring them in-line with other weapons. BSS are one of the few units in the game that this affects too, because you know... SoB OP right?

Could it be that we now want to run mechanized Retributers (or Celestians, I suppose) with all the Heavy Flamers and BSS Rhinos with 2x Flamers to maximize template coverage? Would it be worth giving up the S5 hits from the Troops in exchange for a few extra wounds with PE? That would also make it easier to leave everyone firing from the top hatch. The new ruling might make it tempting to unload and spread the squad so the two templates aren't hitting the same models.


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Voldrak wrote:

I have had two people within the industry share information indicating that boxes of plastic sisters are now available at the memphis warehouse awaiting the go from HQ. Whether this is true or not obviously remains to be verified.

The last thing I heard from anyone on a GW payroll was that Sisters might be handed off to ForgeWorld. I've learned (repeatedly over the last decade) not to trust any of it until I'm holding my shiny new plastics (resins?) in my grubby little paws.

Voldrak wrote:
Take this with a grain of salt as I usually do not bring up anything I hear. I've been burned as often as everyone else here when it comes to sisters, but I am finding myself hopefull for the first time in a few years.

I have had two people within the industry share information indicating that boxes of plastic sisters are now available at the memphis warehouse awaiting the go from HQ. Whether this is true or not obviously remains to be verified.

Previous rumors however seemed to indicate that there would be a release at the latest around this summer. I never expected this to be right, however if what I have been told turns out to be true, then we could see a release before end of the year.

Well we can but hope

I have a few hundred quid waiting to be spent on them .............

Oh this one again...

I feel for you Pretre.

Taking upon yourself to compile all the rumor information and keeping it up to date must mean you've seen it all by now.

Most of us likely have some of our innocence left compared to you

Voldrak wrote:
I feel for you Pretre.

Taking upon yourself to compile all the rumor information and keeping it up to date must mean you've seen it all by now.

Most of us likely have some of our innocence left compared to you

Well, even beyond that, I have been hearing rumors of plastic sisters for what... 15+ years? I'll believe it when I see it.

Also "when are going to see plastic Sisters of Battle" should have been a offical FAQ

well this is not official YET is it? So i mean people have tiome to think about it and change it?