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Well cultists could take some prisoner and then they could corrupt them slowly. I suppose that a sister couldn't really go rogue unless she had help from others. Ugh I don't think I know enough about the sisters to really throw out the best ideas here. Perhaps she could threaten a rogue trader and reveal his hidden heretical cargo (like xeno tech and more) if he doesn't take her to where she wishes for a time. You know sort of blackmail him. Then again I don't know if that'd really happen for sisters either.

I could still imagine a sister being captured though and maybe turned to chaos.

For me a sister might turn rogue. It's more a matter of somebody saying 'never' for every single one in the history of ever. You mean not even one could've gone somewhere or gotten separated from the rest of her sisters or been 'missing in action' or something happened. My problem is never means that every single sister is absolutely perfectly pure and that just seems a bit ridiculous. They're still human and have human wants. It's just a little hard for me to believe orphan girls that were strictly trained a certain way never had one girl rebel even from dealings with groups other than the sisters.

flamingkillamajig wrote:I actually think I prefer the codexes in some ways as written propaganda and as what's known from the reports of another.

Me too, actually. Some of the things they say are just a bit "over the top", where I think that some detail has either been exaggerated or left out. Sometimes, there are differences between studio material, but I think this is where one could try to guesstimate the middle ground and read between the lines. The tone of a source, imho, often betrays how "serious" it can be taken, i.e. whether it is an analysis or a legend or perhaps an actual event which, however, was listed specifically because it was an exception rather than the norm.

We all have to navigate our own path through the readings, but I found that the above has served me well in seeing some more realism and consistency in 40k and thus making it a bit more immersive, rather than embracing the Epic (with a capital "e") legends that sometimes try to push their way to the front, and are all too often taken at face value.

flamingkillamajig wrote:It's more a matter of somebody saying 'never' for every single one in the history of ever.

Yeah, that's why I like Miriael. The one exception. Still preserves the army's theme due to her uniqueness (and even reinforces it, in a way, by presenting her as such an extreme oddity), but makes it feel a bit more "real". "Never" is a long time, after all.
Matter of preferences, as with many things in the fluff.

Psienesis wrote:They've spent their entire lives in denial, their sex drives are nil.

Perhaps I wouldn't say their sex drives are non-existent (as those are a matter of biology, assuming that the Ecclesiarchy didn't chemically neuter it .. which might be possible as well) - but rather that they are coping with it by purging any strange feelings via corporeal mortification, punishing themselves for a lapse in their strength whenever simple distraction did not suffice anymore. Wasn't this how the monks tried to handle it back then?

Psienesis wrote:The merest *thought* that they might rebel sends them scurrying to the Mistress of Repentia, their Canoness, or whatever other ranking Sister is available. To be honest, despite they wealth of art suggesting otherwise, I imagine that the Sisters are some pretty scarred-up people under that power armor. From the few glimpses we're given in a few sources, punishments in the Schola Progenium are *harsh*, and I imagine it does not get any easier in the Sororitas.

Reminds me of that short story in the 3E rulebook.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


So the question is, am I the problem? Doubt it. Do I occasionally have fun antagonizing you guys when you lose your composure and behave poorly? I am indeed guilty of that. But it's for everyone else's benefit and I've accepted the punishments, lol. I liken myself to Jesus in that regard.


As far as the nerd hobby thing goes, yeah, it is. I don't display my stuff. It sits in trays under the bed when I'm not working on them or in boxes in the garage. I have a small group of old, old friends who I game with, and I all but abandoned 40K when I was in the Marines because I already knew how to read, which was enough of a social stigma as it was. So yeah, you outed me. I'm a closet nerd. But that's the great thing about life. If you try hard enough, you can enjoy rolling dice, and other things. Really, you should be happy there are people like me who don't just automatically look down on people who play RPGs and tabletop games as nerds and losers.

So you liken yourself to a guy that supposedly died for others sins. You know I don't think anywhere in the bible it said jesus was a huge troll. If I remember he never fought back. He accepted his punishment and just let it be. Likening yourself to jesus is a pretty arrogant thing to do man and this is coming from a person that isn't even into religion.

In the first sentence you admit to being a troll.

It's also interesting you're an ashamed nerd. As if pretending not to be something you are is healthy.

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I have my issues but at least i'm willing to accept I've f*cked up hard at times. Sure people can decide whether or not to give in and be the better person by saying nothing but you still started. I'm getting a mod to stop this before it goes any farther.

Well unless you subscribe to the idea that as part of the process of becoming a Sister you pledge your soul to a Warp Power - The Emperor.

This then should protect you from the other Warp Powers taking your soul- thye can destory or corrupt your body but as long as you remain true - your soul is part of Him (of feeds him )

Its also part of the fluff that there are no Sisters that have fallen to Chaos- same as no Grey Knight has fallen Now you can take it or leave it as per your preference same as verything else...........

Hmm those are some mighty fine pics. I’m tempted to convert a chaos aligned SoB army for myself now, just so that I might behold the ensuing nerd rage of any SoB traditionalist that sees it. It will be glories .

Great images - love to see them as models

but again nothing actually says they are actualy Chaos Sisters but rather female chaos champions of which there are not enough in the fluff

 Mr Morden wrote:
Great images - love to see them as models

but again nothing actually says they are actualy Chaos Sisters but rather female chaos champions of which there are not enough in the fluff

They are what you want em to be.

Exactly works for everyone

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

The reality is, there's a precedence for everything in 40K because it's a universe that has been built around the idea that basically nothing is impossible other than female Space Marines and a reconciliation between players when it comes to the canon.

Are you sure?

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Personally I don't think sisters are incorruptible. I think it's propaganda and they don't release information of fallen sisters and sort of excommunicate them. They could pretend they never existed or that they fell in battle. It'd make just as much sense to me.

If I remember chaos enjoys tainting that which is most holy or turning that which is most devout. It's like a challenge to them.

Both Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights are depicted as completely incorruptible by GW. Many times, in many sources. Do you apply your reasoning to the Grey Knights, or are they totally incorruptible in your eyes?

Chaos Sisters, like Chaos Grey Knights, like female Space Marines, like Chaos Tau, have a big appeal to me. If they are properly converted they can be visually stunning. I will be ok with it, but ... it would be a fun army, not a fluffy one. Sisters and GK are incorruptible in the canon.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well cultists could take some prisoner and then they could corrupt them slowly. I suppose that a sister couldn't really go rogue unless she had help from others. Ugh I don't think I know enough about the sisters to really throw out the best ideas here. Perhaps she could threaten a rogue trader and reveal his hidden heretical cargo (like xeno tech and more) if he doesn't take her to where she wishes for a time. You know sort of blackmail him. Then again I don't know if that'd really happen for sisters either.

I could still imagine a sister being captured though and maybe turned to chaos.

For me a sister might turn rogue. It's more a matter of somebody saying 'never' for every single one in the history of ever. You mean not even one could've gone somewhere or gotten separated from the rest of her sisters or been 'missing in action' or something happened. My problem is never means that every single sister is absolutely perfectly pure and that just seems a bit ridiculous. They're still human and have human wants. It's just a little hard for me to believe orphan girls that were strictly trained a certain way never had one girl rebel even from dealings with groups other than the sisters.

I am surprised at how many people discard faith. The Emperor himself protects the Sisters. If a krak missile hits a Sister in the face, there is a chance she will remain unscathed.

This is the best way (in my opinion) to understand why they are immune to corruption. They are already "corrupted" and not exactly human anymore. They are marked by something that is really close to a Chaos God. Tzeentch corrupting a Sister is like Tzeentch corrupting a Khorne Berserker, who is marked by Khorne. She is already taken. Some Sisters of Battle players have already expressed in this thread a different opinion though.

Also, if a Sister loses her faith, she is no longer a Sister. Just a female human soldier. Faith is what makes Sisters special.

Well I do know that space marine chaplains have turned. I don't know if there is a limit to how faithful you have to be in that case. I just took it this was a universe where once you were corrupted by chaos there was no turning back. Although I think necrons could nullify chaos back before they got ward'ed because they purged the living. I don't even know what happened after ward's codex. So yeah I just thought it was a typical universe where being good doesn't offer ever-lasting protection but once you fall it's permanent.

Anyway I'm no expert by a long shot. It would almost be interesting if a follower of a specific god tried changing his allegiance but i'm pretty sure once you pledge your soul to one it's permanent as they own you. So yeah you're basically their b*tch ;D. Would be interesting if a chaos god got his true followers to kill any that strayed to far from the path said god threw out for them though.

I actually said I accepted all 3 were forms of propaganda. This means the sisters and grey knights are corruptible and the space wolves are hypocrites. The way I thought of it was the only ones incorruptible were orcs, possibly tau and esp. the culexus assassins ('the blanks' or soulless people). I actually found 'the blanks' to be more interesting than a lot of the psykers. Infinitely rarer and could own an elder farseer just by being too close to her.

Orks used to be able to turn to Choas.

Tau are not incoruptable just hard for the forces of Chaos to perceive as they are just blunt not blanks.

I am more and more liking the Emperor as Warp Power ? Patron God

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well I do know that space marine chaplains have turned.

Yet most Space Marine chapters do not accept the Emperor as a God. Chaplains are not about religion, they are concerned with morale or traditions. One Chaplain of the Soul Drinkers orchestrated the fall of the entire chapter. And? They do not have faith in the Emperor.
And even if a chapter accepts the divinity of the Emperor... they would not be Grey Knights or Sisters of Battle. Both factions have a special link with the Emperor, and are described as immune to Chaos. The other factions are not "protected" by their god.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well I do know that space marine chaplains have turned.

Likely because (most) Marines don't worship the Emperor as a god like the Sisters do, rather they venerate him as the greatest of men and their genetic forefather. I know, it's confusing at a glance. Marines have Chaplains and go around yelling about heretics and faith, yet they don't actually have faith as such.

The Black Templars and, according to BL, the Red Hunters are some exceptions to this, and actively worship Big E as a god.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I run into problems with you and other Sisters players because we have differences in opinions over the reason why they haven't sold well and you react unreasonably.

I don't think that disagreeing with you and presenting counter-evidence is an unreasonable reaction. Again, that's very standard for an internet forum.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
with ornery Sisters players who get rooted out of places with more stringent moderation?

Uh, don't think that's true. I've never heard of SoB fans being "rooted out" of places. More likely. they gravitate to certain sites due to the bigger number of other SoB fans there. I, for one, decided to "settle down" here partly because there were lots of other SoB players and fans here. If there aren't many people around to discuss the SoB with, then of course a person is less likely to discuss them. Lots of SoB fans? More SoB talk.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
So the question is, am I the problem? Doubt it. Do I occasionally have fun antagonizing you guys when you lose your composure and behave poorly? I am indeed guilty of that.

So you're saying that you aren't "the problem", yet say that you intentionally try to rile up SoB fans? Also, you can hardly accuse others of rudeness when you outright admit that it is your intent to be rude towards them.

I kind of like the idea of an order of female cultists of Khorne as a martial order who, in order to advance to an officer rank, must kill a member of an Imperial military order (Space Marines are typical targets, though Soritas are preferred so they can corrupt the armor and wear it).

Neatly sidesteps the problem of corrupting the Sisters themselves and avoids the Slaanesh trap.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Chaos corrupted […] Marines aren't Space Marines. They are Chaos Space Marines.

That's… well, that's sigworthy.
I see your point. It's like chaos ogryns, which are not ogryns, and chaos daemon, which are not daemon, and chaos dwarves, which are not dwarves, and chaos titans are not titans, and chaos land raider are not land raiders, and so on .
But then on, female space marines are not space marines either, so female “space marines” is not possible, but “female space marines” are totally possible !

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Anyhow, I'm done.

Obviously, you are not. We all wish you were. Be done, now !

Whoa guys, calm down.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Chaos corrupted […] Marines aren't Space Marines. They are Chaos Space Marines.

That's… well, that's sigworthy.
I see your point. It's like chaos ogryns, which are not ogryns, and chaos daemon, which are not daemon, and chaos dwarves, which are not dwarves, and chaos titans are not titans, and chaos land raider are not land raiders, and so on .
But then on, female space marines are not space marines either, so female “space marines” is not possible, but “female space marines” are totally possible !

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Anyhow, I'm done.

Obviously, you are not. We all wish you were. Be done, now !

Well, to play Devil's Advocate here I kinda agree with Veteran Sergeant on this issue. If a Chaos Space Marine can be transformed from male to female that doesn't exactly make 'him' a female 'Space Marine' does it, as such. In order to become a female Space Marine the Chaos Space Marine first had to be a male that became a Space Marine, then he had to turn or fall or whatever to Chaos and then through some bizarre method have his gender flipped or at least be physically given the attributes of a female.

What allows a 'Chaos' Space Marine to become female could never be true for a loyal Space Marine. Sure you could say that, even loyal, Slaanesh does have the power (if he/she really does have the power at all) in the right circumstances to flip his gender whether he wants to have that happen or not but that still requires Chaos trickery.

In order to have an actual, real female Space Marine then a girl would need to undergo the implantation process and survive, she would then be a female Space Marine. Saying that a male Space Marine could be made female through Chaos trickery doesn't really equal the same thing.

 da001 wrote:
Both Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights are depicted as completely incorruptible by GW. Many times, in many sources. Do you apply your reasoning to the Grey Knights, or are they totally incorruptible in your eyes?

My issue with this and with the whole incorruptability of Sisters of Battle is that the process by which a Grey Knight achieves his incorruptability to Chaos is entirely different. Firstly he has to be a psyker so isn't even a normal human like a Sister is and then, via the special gene-seed Grey Knights are made with is made incorruptable. In fluff terms this is like the sensei, like the Emperor the Warp was able to flow through them in its natural, pure non-Chaos corrupted form, Chaos could not corrupt them because it couldn't get a grip on their souls in any way, it was simply not possible because of what the sensei were as living creatures and the Emperor's own offspring. Likewise, the Grey Knights purportedly have gene-seed made from the Emperor's own flesh and share the same properties as the Emperor in that regard; it is interesting to not that in the Realm of Chaos background even the Emperor was not fully immune to Chaos and was slowly being driven insane and corrupted by it but then the Star Child was somewhat seperate from the Emperor and so, even though 'the Emperor' ie, the dead shell on the Golden Throne could be corrupted over time, the Star Child was still safe(ish).

Sisters of Battle however do not have immunity in this way. They are regular humans and no amount of indoctrination or brain-washing alters that - you could paint a sheet of steel to protect it from corrosion but that would not make it stainless steel it would just be painted steel and the difference between what makes a Sister 'incorruptable' and Grey Knight 'incorruptable' is the same difference between steel and stainless steel in my rather poor analogy there.

Brain-washing, indoctrination, whatever you want to call it can be broken, these are not unalterable states, nothing has happened to physically alter the make-up of the person in receipt of these techniques.



That's some information on brain-washing and I would say the techniques used are probably very similar to those used on Sisters as part of their own indoctrination. However the process is not a one-way street and it does not make the individual 'immune' to further indoctrination and in 40K terms, it would not stop the corrupting effects of the Warp.

Does the Emperor though act as Chaos God for whom their mortal soldiers are pledged to their service and are therefore 'immune' to the effects of the other Chaos Powers? Well that is debatable. Does the Empeor protect Sisters in that way. It's possible and I do not rule it out, I am just exploring these possibilities and really it comes down to a preference on if the Sisters Acts of Faith are manifestations on their own dogged determination and persistence or literal manifestations of the Emperor's Will.

It would appear to be that way for Saint Celestine but for every Sister in every situation? Hmm, I kinda doubt that really, certainly I would not extend it to Sisters particularly when the same can be said of any faithful Imperial servant who believes the Emperor to have personally intervened when some 'miracle' has happened that spared them from the enemey et cetera.

The thing for me is, if Sisters are truly, fully immune through their faith what then is the purpose of the Grey Knights having a very specific and unique gene-seed if they could achieve the same results via the relatively simplistic means utilised on the Sisters?

I think that the Grey Knights and to help with that point, using the old background for the Emperor and Sensei, are immune to Chaos because they are not ordinary humans, it is arguable that they are not human at all in some respects.

Sisters are human however and they are protected by a mentality. The fact it may have been used on them from birth doesn't really alter things overmuch, it doesn't stop them being human it just makes it harder for them to be corrupted which is really the point as far as 'making' Sisters is concerned in in-universe terms. It may well be that the requisite amount of corruption required to break that conditioning would kill a Sister but if she lived? Afterall, it could well be the very endurance for which Sisters are well known could ultimately work against them or at least there is a possibility I would say.

Gogsnik wrote:What allows a 'Chaos' Space Marine to become female could never be true for a loyal Space Marine. Sure you could say that, even loyal, Slaanesh does have the power (if he/she really does have the power at all) in the right circumstances to flip his gender whether he wants to have that happen or not but that still requires Chaos trickery.

I do not think this is what was being debated. VS made an argument that a Chaos Space Marine would somehow stop being a Space Marine. Like, as if a Chaos Cultist would somehow stop being a human with the Chaos Cultist template slapped on top. Or as if an Eldar Renegade would somehow stop being an Eldar with the Renegade template slapped on top.

There is, however, no "switch" that just turns people into something completely different from one moment to the next.

Take those Space Wolves who joined the Red Corsairs because they preferred surrendering instead of dying, for example (source: 4E C:CSM) - as Red Corsairs they're now Chaos Marines, even though they've merely switched their employer. Now, do we define "Space Marine" as only counting for those Astartes who are in service to the Imperium of Man, or do we see it as a biological distinction and a name for their very existence rather than just their job? An argument may be made for the former, but I assume the majority of posters here would say the latter, and "+Chaos" merely as a prefix defining a specific group of them.

Or, in short, what are Chaos Space Marines? They are Space Marines in service of Chaos.

Gogsnik wrote:My issue with this and with the whole incorruptability of Sisters of Battle is that the process by which a Grey Knight achieves his incorruptability to Chaos is entirely different. Firstly he has to be a psyker so isn't even a normal human like a Sister is and then, via the special gene-seed Grey Knights are made with is made incorruptable.

The same gene-seed that was used to create the Primarchs, of whom half fell to Chaos? Consider, too, that psykers in particular are at risk from corruption.

Gogsnik wrote:Sisters of Battle however do not have immunity in this way. They are regular humans and no amount of indoctrination or brain-washing alters that [...] you could paint a sheet of steel to protect it from corrosion but that would not make it stainless steel it would just be painted steel and the difference between what makes a Sister 'incorruptable' and Grey Knight 'incorruptable' is the same difference between steel and stainless steel in my rather poor analogy there

Ultimately, such details are determined by those who write the material or who read it. According to Games Workshop, both the Grey Knights as well as the Sisters of Battle have been called "incorruptible". The rest is up to personal preferences and interpretation, and what one makes of the material. Perhaps both are true, perhaps both are propaganda, perhaps this is merely an opinion and the opposite has not happened yet. That's just how fluff in 40k works.

I will add, though, that the "painting sheets" example is a funny analogy to make, considering that it was the Grey Knights who needed to augment their apparently quite fallible resilience by painting their weapons and armour with blood of Sisters in order to retain their incorruptibility.

Gogsnik wrote:That's some information on brain-washing and I would say the techniques used are probably very similar to those used on Sisters as part of their own indoctrination.

Not quite. Starting with the rather important detail that the Sisters never knew anything else. They do not have to be "re-programmed" because they were born into their existence, a blank slate ready to soak up anything they are being fed. In fact, your quote works in the Sisters' favour in that indoctrination may be unsuccessful at changing a viewpoint already adopted. Which means Sisters would be resilient against their existing beliefs being undermined.

In fact, since you've already mentioned North Korean ReEd camps, there is this guy who was born in one of those camps, and he ratted out his own parents, because at the time he believed it was the right thing to do, in spite of how badly he was treated there. If this works in such an environment, consider how intense and successful the brainwashing must be in a Sororitas convent where people actually live in a sort of family union, reinforcing each other's beliefs!

"What curiously small creatures you are to present such a thorn in my side." The words roared and rumbled through the air, thick with dark amusement. "What little bundles of ignorant flesh. I am Parmenides, called the Vile, chosen Prince of Nurgle. I am the virus which the Plague God sends to infect your mortal worlds. I am the festering in your wounded empire. Do creatures as insignificant as yourselves have names too, I wonder?"
"Sergeant Castus of the Ultramarines, Second Company", the Marine replied in a defiant voice, as if he were trying to impress the daemon prince.
The horrific gaze turned to Aescarion, questioning.
"I would not give you my name, though it cost my soul", the Battle Sister snarled, and she gripped her axe tighter.
"Such a shame", Parmenides replied. "But the girl I can understand. Her mind is most infertile. What has she ever questioned? They teach her and she believes."
- Daemonblood, by Ben Counter

Gogsnik wrote:The thing for me is, if Sisters are truly, fully immune through their faith what then is the purpose of the Grey Knights having a very specific and unique gene-seed if they could achieve the same results via the relatively simplistic means utilised on the Sisters?

Because to do so you would have to raise and indoctrinate your Grey Knights from birth, which is a hell of a lot more difficult than picking them up whenever you meet one, when you consider that they also need to be psykers and compatible with Astartes gene-seed. And perhaps they would even require a zealous belief in the existence of "something greater and omnipotent" like the Sisters with their religion, which could interfere with Inquisitorial orders.

Their resilience seems to work well enough most of the time, and when it doesn't they seem to possess "techniques" that make up for the deficiency, no?

 Gogsnik wrote:
Well, to play Devil's Advocate here I kinda agree with Veteran Sergeant on this issue. If a Chaos Space Marine can be transformed from male to female that doesn't exactly make 'him' a female 'Space Marine' does it, as such. In order to become a female Space Marine the Chaos Space Marine first had to be a male that became a Space Marine, then he had to turn or fall or whatever to Chaos and then through some bizarre method have his gender flipped or at least be physically given the attributes of a female.

A chaos space marine turned into a female chaos space marine, is not a female chaos space marine, it’s an abomination.

The mystery has now been solved guys, so can we focus on the OP's original question now, please?

I don't see why a Sister wouldn't turn to Chaos, sure it would be highly unlikely as they are religious zealots, but I don't think they are incorruptible like the "super-duper Matt Ward Grey Knight delux™".

 MetalOxide wrote:
I don't see why a Sister wouldn't turn to Chaos

As has been laid out previously, their extreme zeal is a major factor in this. Their codexes have consistently kept with the "incorruptible" lines and talk about what controlled, rigorous indoctrination they undergo. Furthermore, they are the only army to get faith as a central mechanic, and their recent acquirement of Adamantium Will very nicely demonstrates their strong willpowers and resistance to warp trickery. So yeah, there's actually plenty of very good reasons why a Sister would not turn to Chaos.

 Troike wrote:

 MetalOxide wrote:
I don't see why a Sister wouldn't turn to Chaos

As has been laid out previously, their extreme zeal is a major factor in this. Their codexes have consistently kept with the "incorruptible" lines and talk about what controlled, rigorous indoctrination they undergo. Furthermore, they are the only army to get faith as a central mechanic, and their recent acquirement of Adamantium Will very nicely demonstrates their strong willpowers and resistance to warp trickery. So yeah, there's actually plenty of very good reasons why a Sister would not turn to Chaos.

But they are not incorruptible like the uber mehreens aka Grey Knights with magical armour that somehow repels all forms of corruption. Although it is extremely unlikely that one Sisters of Battle would fall let alone a squad.

Doesn't it mention sisters being corrupted in bloodtide/bloodpaint?

Da krimson barun wrote:
Doesn't it mention sisters being corrupted in bloodtide/bloodpaint?

I believe so, there is also Miriael Sabathiel from the "Tales from the Dark Millenium", who is often refered to as the only "known" member to fall, possibly (or not) implying others have fallen to chaos but aren't currently known. I think these have been mentioned a few pages back.

Generally this sort of thread seems to come down to canon vs fluff type arguments. Mostly it seems people will call something canon if its fluff they personally agree with.

MetalOxide wrote:But they are not incorruptible like the uber mehreens aka Grey Knights with magical armour that somehow repels all forms of corruption. Although it is extremely unlikely that one Sisters of Battle would fall let alone a squad.

Although, as I have previously mentioned, I like the idea of Miriael as the exception, it should be pointed out that both Grey Knights as well as Sisters of Battle have been called incorruptible in their Codex fluff.

Da krimson barun wrote:Doesn't it mention sisters being corrupted in bloodtide/bloodpaint?

Yes, some - and the same source mentions that GKs need the remaining Sisters' blood to protect themselves against corruption. What would that imply? Are both factions fallible? In fact, are Sisters more resilient against corruption, seeing that they did not need any blood rituals to protect themselves?

It may also be a matter of definition - some may regard corruption as corruption of the mind and soul, as in "turning" the victim and making him or her a traitor, yet corruption can also be (meta-)physical by simply turning the victim sick (see Nurgle's "gifts" - they do not immediately make you a servant of Chaos).

Either way, the Bloodtide is probably a good example for "never say never" - this goes for both SoB as well as GKs.

Lysit wrote:Mostly it seems people will call something canon if its fluff they personally agree with.

That really sums it up. The various sources are contradictory. You've got half a dozen codices and WD articles calling them incorruptible, yet a fluff piece in the GK 'dex has some being tainted. Regardless of whether this was intentional or the GK author just didn't read a lot about SoB, this could only be resolved by saying either one source is just Ministorum propaganda and common belief, or the other is a flawed report (perhaps from the GKs investigating dead bodies, where the "incorruptability" effect fueled by faith would no longer be in effect). And it gets worse as soon as you delve into non-studio material such as the various novels or games, which regularly go against certain details in GW's own material. For example, Miriael from the collectible card game is said to be the one big exception, yet in the Daemonifuge comic an entire convent turns against itself.

That's just how 40k fluff works. There is no singular truth, so we'll either have to limit ourselves to headcanon or find some sort of middle ground as a common basis for discussion. Simply recognising that everyone's opinion is, technically, equally valid and that it depends a lot on which book you're reading is a good start, though.

Lysit wrote:
I believe so, there is also Miriael Sabathiel from the "Tales from the Dark Millenium", who is often refered to as the only "known" member to fall

Though she's never been referenced in any studio fluff, to my knowledge.

 Lynata wrote:
or the GK author just didn't read a lot about SoB

The thing with that ides is that the "incorruptible" line and a reference to the Bloodtide both appear in the new codex, which is weird. Though it may have just been an oversight.

Troike wrote:The thing with that ides is that the "incorruptible" line and a reference to the Bloodtide both appear in the new codex, which is weird. Though it may have just been an oversight.

Although the new Codex does not mention any Sisters getting corrupted, so there's no conflict in the same book.

To the OP, screw fluff, do what you want to do, it's your own interpretation on the 40k universe. Plus creating a squad like this...

... would be badass. I too am working on corrupted Sisters of Battle so I'd love to see how you make yours if you go ahead with the project.

Lynata wrote:

Psienesis wrote:They've spent their entire lives in denial, their sex drives are nil.

Perhaps I wouldn't say their sex drives are non-existent (as those are a matter of biology, assuming that the Ecclesiarchy didn't chemically neuter it .. which might be possible as well) - but rather that they are coping with it by purging any strange feelings via corporeal mortification, punishing themselves for a lapse in their strength whenever simple distraction did not suffice anymore. Wasn't this how the monks tried to handle it back then?

As the saying goes, if you ain't using it, you don't miss it. Though this line is intended for male soldiers in boot camp, the philosophy holds true. If one is sufficiently "distracted", rather, has their attention focused on other things long enough, one's libido drops. Add to this fact that the Sisters have been in the Schola program their entire lives, and now the Sisterhood, the very concept of sex is probably little more than a class in human biology... for most of them (excepting, perhaps, the Orders Famulous), the concepts of romance and eroticism are probably extremely foreign. They also live in an extremely sheltered society, where they are not subject to objectification or sexualization, of themselves or of others.

Of course, your example is an option as well, but I don't think it would, necessarily, be an ongoing requirement. Of course, this is going to boil down to a level of individual Sisters, but even in the real world, there are people who are, essentially, asexual. They are simply not particularly interested in sex, and can be said to have a zero libido, even the ones who may be in sexually-active relationships. Sex is simply something they do, usually for their partners, but not something they go specifically chasing. Over a period of time of abstinence, though, just about anyone's sex drive goes down, especially if provided something else to focus the attention on.

The actual medieval monks, though, were not raised in a Schola system and, for the most part, lived amongst/near regular populations of people, so would be exposed to a wider variety of human natures. Many, too, came to the cloth much later in life than the Sisters do. These were people who had, potentially, already experienced sex and so had a frame of reference and knew what they were missing. The Sisters, generally speaking, have no such frame of reference.

As a related point, in the Dark Heresy novels, a female character, raised in a redemptionist group and then an assassin temple, shows very little knowledge of sex - I would assume that for a Sister, raised from a young age, the same would be true - I mean, would they even bother giving sisters sex ed lessons?
I wouldn't have thought they'd think it relevant - at least, apart from the sisters Hospitaller.
Just a thought.