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yup I take the BS's flag ship with my borg as an auto take, but thats all you get consistantly.

relying on being able to steal BS guys is unreliable at best, and costs you the pts for the card.

so one model will get BS's, thats it. borg have re rolls out thewazzoo, but its still 50/50 most of the time, which is why the flag ship with BS's is likely the best resource for them right now.

for all intensive purposes, this game is faction pure at this point, I am pretty sure mixed is in a tiny miniority. not a single mixed OP or event here since op2. Your situation may be different, but its still a weakness you have to account for/ pay pts to fix even in mixed play.

 easysauce wrote:
yup I take the BS's flag ship with my borg as an auto take, but thats all you get consistantly.

relying on being able to steal BS guys is unreliable at best, and costs you the pts for the card.

so one model will get BS's, thats it. borg have re rolls out thewazzoo, but its still 50/50 most of the time, which is why the flag ship with BS's is likely the best resource for them right now.

for all intensive purposes, this game is faction pure at this point, I am pretty sure mixed is in a tiny miniority. not a single mixed OP or event here since op2. Your situation may be different, but its still a weakness you have to account for/ pay pts to fix even in mixed play.

Combining that 360 arc with battle stations is crazy good. Around me the OP are mostly mixed, so I am going to have to be prepared for some Picard Spheres. However faction pure seems to gaining some popularity, which is ok with me. I wish that it had been built into the borg ships that they could only have borg captains.

yeah... mixed faction borg is just crazy sauce... if it was like that here, every fleet would be borg with picard, dukat, and the BS flagship resource.

its weird, but the few mixed faction allowed events I have gone too, despite having more stuff to pick from, all the fleets were 99% the exact same fleet.

It does get boring when we have over 30 ships our and everyone has the same 3-5 captains. I went to one OP were out of 8 players I was the only one without Picard. I know people will disagree with me but I feel that you actually see more variety in the faction pure events than the mixed. I have seen a number of places moving to faction pure, I bet the borg will increase that.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
It does get boring when we have over 30 ships our and everyone has the same 3-5 captains. I went to one OP were out of 8 players I was the only one without Picard. I know people will disagree with me but I feel that you actually see more variety in the faction pure events than the mixed. I have seen a number of places moving to faction pure, I bet the borg will increase that.

This is what drove me away from the game, everyone using the same captains. None of the stores I frequent have gone faction pure yet and I don't know if they ever will.

Makes me happy we are a fluff loving bunch around here.

everything's faction pure right now, and we just expand the pts to 125-150 and make it more interesting that way.,

Quick question regarding Admiral's Order: United Force.

Do all ships have to be the same faction to use it?

For example, I have 3 federation ships and 1 Bajoran Ship with the Independent Flagship card, each one has upgrades from their respective factions only. Fed with fed, Bajoran with Bajoran, etc.

The way the order reads, you don't need to have ships of the same faction, each ship just needs to be equipped with stuff from ONLY its' faction.

For the UF order only the ships have to be pure not the fleet. So you can have a Klingon and Federation ship together as long as all the cards match their respective ship. The independent flagship makes it a duel faction ship. So it can then have independent upgrades and still be in faction.

Though I am surprised to see any venues still using the Admirals Orders. Most places have banned them at this point.

Cool, I'm taking the Akorem for a test spin with 3 other federation ships, Trying to go for a Torpedos away list with Kira giving everyone free target locks so they can use their actions for the turn to enable torpedoes.

Here's my list so far

Akorem
Kira (OP)
The Discard free action dude (OP)
Evade Indep Flagship.

Nova Class
Ransom
TOS Torpedoes

Miranda
Terrel
TOS Torpedoes

USS Defiant
Christopher Pike
TOS Torpedoes
Lojur

All for 110 points with the Admiral Order.

Wow.

Just wow.

The new Borg sphere is incredible. What the heck is the point of running anything else in an op? This is the nail in the coffin for me. With blind buys in the next "full" op, and whatever hell the cubes bring, I'm out.

 Kendachi wrote:
Wow.

Just wow.

The new Borg sphere is incredible. What the heck is the point of running anything else in an op? This is the nail in the coffin for me. With blind buys in the next "full" op, and whatever hell the cubes bring, I'm out.

You know, the Spheres kind of just, ya know, die to full on assaults... They have no agility, all you gotta do is take out their shields and then their hull.

I don't see what's so broken about the sphere with borg stuff, as long as no one is mixing factions, it's pretty balanced.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:


I don't see what's so broken about the sphere with borg stuff, as long as no one is mixing factions, it's pretty balanced.

You see, that's the rub. There's not a faction pure op around here that I know of. I, too, feel they would be powerful but not out of control in a faction pure event.

When you've got a 24 hit point monster, with Picard pulling an In'cha with a 360 arc of fire? I don't wanna play that game. Casual waters ahead for me. That's all.

I actually think the Collective OP my tone down the sphere builds a little. Remember in the collective you have to bring a pre constructed 90 point build and add 30 points from the brick ship. So no one will be able to fly a super 100 point ship of any kind.

You can bet the desingers have worked up some more OP scenarios where the board is trying to kill us as well as the enemy fleet. So if you play in a crazy mixed faction OPs build super defensively with interphase generators & conditional surrenders. Go after the opponent's 30pt ship and avoid their super ship. 30 points to 0 is still a win. Depending on what the board elements do, let the board weaken the big bad sphere/cube then deliver it the killing blow. I think if this happens a few times people will either move away from the big sphere builds or more TOs will move to faction pure.

In faction pure thier low captain skill does a lot to balance them. Its not perfect but it is way better than Picard balls of doom!

 Kendachi wrote:
Wow.

Just wow.

The new Borg sphere is incredible. What the heck is the point of running anything else in an op? This is the nail in the coffin for me. With blind buys in the next "full" op, and whatever hell the cubes bring, I'm out.

???? seriously? I know they are powerfull, and in mixed they get crazy out of control, but so does everything in unrestricted mixed play.

In faction pure, I have literally won every single game I have played against borg (6 games now) and 5 of those games I was using federation, one game I was borg.

They die really easily if you have a plan execute it properly.

see the other thread for my bat rep, and my post on how to deal with borg.

Once you adjust to them being in meta, its actually not bad at all.

well, unless you are romulans, they are pretty screwed ATM, but mainly against borg.

Since my area's meta is mixing factions, I'm inclined to agree that the Borg are beatable...

... I just don't want to go to anymore ops where 9 out of 10 players brought Picard's Balls.

Just sayin'. Damn boring.

 Kendachi wrote:
Since my area's meta is mixing factions, I'm inclined to agree that the Borg are beatable...

... I just don't want to go to anymore ops where 9 out of 10 players brought Picard's Balls.

Just sayin'. Damn boring.

2nd that. My buddy and I played a bunch of games last night and Borg on Borg is soooo boring and anything else vs Picard balls is a royal pain in the

Well, I really want to build a super-powered Klingon build, but I really want to use two Negh'Vars...

Can anyone suggest a build?

BTW, I love using Martok (either one, lol)

If you are just looking for raw Klingon power try:
28 Negvar
06 martok
05 Defense Condition One
28 Negvar
04 Gowron
26 Vorch
03 Worf
100 total

It can throw 15-19 attacks a turn and one round of battle stations for everyone. It should be able to do well against most fleets. Against the borg you may get 1-2 turns of good shooting before things come apart. With the crazy builds out there the borg can easily throw 7-10 dice per shot. So many ships including the mighty Negvar can be on shoted.

Against a sphere the other day and it landed 10 hits on me. I was missing 1 shield from the turn before so that left me with 4 shields and 4 hull. I had paris, but he had scan so I was down to 2 evade dice. Even if I had rolled 2 evades I was toast.

It is better for Klingons these days to keep their shields up. Even if you loose them you might live to shoot back, if a few blanks turn up. In mixed faction environments look for one shotting ships to happen a lot more often.

Preview of the Vulcan Ship: http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-attack-wing-5-dkyr-expansion-pack

I'm pretty noob, but I'm underwhelmed. Especially after the Borg/Voyagar/Bioship release.

I do like how it can shoot 180 in the front and then can take an upgrade to shoot out it's butt... still, it's base attack is only 3.

The usefulness of some of the other upgrades are hard for me to say. Sensor grid + aux control room + t'pol could be fun. Especially if you have higher PS, then T'Pol seems really good.

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 Red Viper wrote:
Preview of the Vulcan Ship: http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-attack-wing-5-dkyr-expansion-pack

I'm pretty noob, but I'm underwhelmed. Especially after the Borg/Voyagar/Bioship release.

I do like how it can shoot 180 in the front and then can take an upgrade to shoot out it's butt... still, it's base attack is only 3.

The usefulness of some of the other upgrades are hard for me to say. Sensor grid + aux control room + t'pol could be fun. Especially if you have higher PS, then T'Pol seems really good.

It's not a bad ship at all, but there is nothing in it am over the moon for. I was getting 2 + of each ship but I don't really have an intrest in Species 8472 or any out side the Romulans for Enterprise era.

The Bajoran ship is up on the site, not a bad little ship, lol.

Not overly good, although one of the upgrades does mention an OP participation prize... :/

Well the borg cube is up
(http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-borg-tactical-cube-138)

No bright side, it is a monster. By the end of June look for OPs to go to 80-100 % borg. Magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good".

I wonder what kind of movement the Cube is going to have...

But yeah, that Tac Sphere is a house.

The sphere really was proof that the Attack Wing points structure has some problems but the cube is going to break it. We don't yet know what the movement dial is like but if its even close strategy is just gonna go out the window.

For 78 points you get
46 named cube
10 flagship
07 hull armour
07 hull armour
08 feedback pulse

That is a 27 hit point monster that can move all directions, with a 7 shot 360 attack amd still leaves 22 points for upgrade. I don't know many fleets that can deal with that. Even a projected stasis field/Boarding party has only one shot at it but will have to hit with every die.

The bigger base may make it easier to keep it in arc but the borg movement is still unpredictable that it won't help much. Anyone with 90 degree arcs is still screwed, but the 180 ships are looking better, but most of them have low attacks or require in effective secondary weapons.

yeah... the guys at wizkids really shouldnt be giving away 360`arcs and the best movement dial for free like they are with the borg...

why buy a ship with 6 attacks and a 90 for 12 pts when you can buy a ship with 6 attacks and a 360 for the same... attacks on different arcs should have some kind of cost differential or something, ANYTHING, but be free

If they dont up every other factions effectiveness V borg somehow, I fear for my local playerbase :(

I hope that wizkids will give us something useful to combat the borg in the brick ships. I think it was a mistake to introduce the sphere & tac cube first. It woild have been better to start with the scout cube and soong ship. Gradually introducing the community to the brog would have been better and more thematic.

I think the 360 & movement together are a bit much. I think the 360 shot should cost an action or drone tokens.The brog never attack until they see you as a threat or something they want. Having it cost an action or drones would repesent the collective interest in the target.

The armour is also huge nothing else in the game increases a ships shields beyond its starting value besides a flagship, which is only +1. You don't really need defense dice when you can add 8 extra shields.

Yeah the Borg are nasty. We've played 6 games with them in my gaming group so far and the Borg have only lost twice.

Both defeats were to Klingons, I still think they're the only way to go against them (sadly for my Romulans)

My friend and I have played about 12 games with the borg. So far borg have only lost to borg, with the exception of 1 game I beat his dounle sphere with Romulans. Though that game deserves an * because of the comditions.

We were practicing for a faction pure Tholian web. On turn 4 or 5 he was trying to avoid my cloaked mines and one sphere was eaten by the web. We actually played 3 rounds in the completed web. The only thing that kept me alive was Khazara w/Verrel and 2x Centurion + an interphase generator.

Other than that the borg are undefeated. I cam close with a Klingon list.

Faction mixing also makes the borg more powerful. Things like Picard and Dukat stacking actions + shooting first just makes them broken. Even once the Queen comes out she will be an 8. However the borg have to spend their drones to use most of their stuff so their captain skills will be going down. Moving after them and shooting before the makes a huge difference.


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Another thing that makes the borg so powerful are the sheer number of attacks vs number of evade dice. In my opinion the design guys slipped a little when it comes to evade dice. As it is ships get a pitiful number of evade dice and to make matters worse there are very few ways to modify them are expensive. Unlike X-very few ships have access to battle stations and the ones that do have the lowest evade values. On the other hand with already high attack values there are loads of ways to modify attacks. As things stand you can get a single borg ship up to 10 attacks which can one shot most ships even if they roll all evades.

A perfect example is Enterprise D has 5 hull and 4 shields 1 evade. If the borg use a flagship for battle stattions and Picard target lock/tactical drone reroll plus boheeka like most people have is is not hard to get 10 hits. Even if big D rolls an evade 10 hits one shots it. Even a bad roll from the borg is going to strip the shields one turn and finish it off the next.

The design guys got too attack happy. Enterprise era ships should be 1-2, TOS 2-3, Next Gen/DS9/VOY 3-4, and 5 for the largest borg. The crazy attack levels at present make most secondary weapons a waste of points and actions.

We need Drex for defending and the Romulans should have something like Spock for defense (5pts if there is a cloak token beside you ship turn all battle stations to evades).

Definitely agree that the attack values are too high and it's far too easy to re-roll.
Secondary weapons see very little play as a result

Yeah, definitely feel they should've minimized attack values, no vessel should have more attack dice than the starter set...

That, and shields should be directional, etc, I don't believe a vessel such as the enterprise D can take only 4 hits before shields drop, it takes more of a pounding than that in the TV show from ships like the Vor'Cha, etc.