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Looks very nice I am almost tempted to paint mine, but not quite. I can't bring myself to paint already painted models when I have mountains of unpainted warhammer stuff sitting around. I chalk it up to being old and lazy

 easysauce wrote:
naw, borg are not OP by much, not game breakingly so.
the local meta here has DEFINATLY changed, but now that people actualy expect to play against borg, we see a lot of fed alpha strikes like mine, and dominon EDT's shenanigans, and even klingon horde lists that are stomping the borg into the dust on a regular basis.

personally I was a bit skeptical at first, but now that I am at 12+ games in against borg, winning 10 of them, I am not so worried, and I feel that each wave will improve on this a bit I hope.

Out of curiosity, is your list pretty much geared towards playing against the Borg or is it an all-rounder, capable of doing decently well against all lists?
I was wondering if this would be a rock-paper-scissors type of thing, which wouldn't be too bad really.

Lovely repaints, maybe hit them with a white drybrush (will.fix pooling issue too)?

Redeemer31 wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
naw, borg are not OP by much, not game breakingly so.
the local meta here has DEFINATLY changed, but now that people actualy expect to play against borg, we see a lot of fed alpha strikes like mine, and dominon EDT's shenanigans, and even klingon horde lists that are stomping the borg into the dust on a regular basis.

personally I was a bit skeptical at first, but now that I am at 12+ games in against borg, winning 10 of them, I am not so worried, and I feel that each wave will improve on this a bit I hope.

Out of curiosity, is your list pretty much geared towards playing against the Borg or is it an all-rounder, capable of doing decently well against all lists?
I was wondering if this would be a rock-paper-scissors type of thing, which wouldn't be too bad really.

its all rounder, and being able to specifically deal with borg, is part of the all round ness of it.

the fact that I have 360's on two ships, and a super manuverable fighter, and have high captain skills, works just as well against other fleets as it does to borg.

4/4 of the last op's were won with it.


the main counter to my list is HORDE! around here, since some people started makeing horde klingon and romulan lists, which do GREAT against borg (but bad against other cloaked ships) whittle borg down pretty fast, and have the maneuverability to keep firing.

lots of stasis feilds, miles o briens, EDTS and such are being used, which shut down not just borg, but other things as well.


they key is, 100% of borg lists, only get between 6 or 12 attacks at 100pts, and all those attacks are I4, or half I 8 half I4. first turn the queen uses her text, shes I 7 already, and you are higher on the initiative ladder then her most likely, borg tend not to go much under 100pts for their builds because they have a hard time just fitting in two ships and captains, so most of them are 98-100pts without fail.

so, borg get their 6-12 attacks, TL'd, which is only going to average 9 hits (50% hit, 50% of misses hit with TL)

now you make a build with more attacks, at a better I... I can get 12 target lock +battlestation attacks off at I 5 or better, which should do 10+ hits or more statistically, and a projected stasis feild with klingons to take out the sheils on one borg ship AND stop it from attacking on the off chance it survives that barrage with no sheils.

my fed list gets off 16 attacks before the borg, and 4 at I2, I have another list that gets 20 attacks at I 6 or better, but I lose the re roll on my transphasics from worf.

my dominion list gets 12 TL BS shots at I 7, and 6 TL i6 shots, so unless the queen isnt using her ability, ill go first.

so with all those attacks, the idea is you have to cripple/destroy one of their ships first, and if not, have a plan to at least keep firing to finish of the last few hull points.

I for one would love to see that dominion list

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Lovely repaints, maybe hit them with a white drybrush (will.fix pooling issue too)?

My plan for Voyager and the Equinox for step 2 is Drybrushing with Blue Horror and Space Wolf Grey. - So a bluish white.

The original USS Enterprise will be drybrushing with light greys / white, I think.

domnion list is battle ships, one named, with dukat and any of the other lvl 7 captains, and the fighters

(yes, I am banking on only getting ONE good frontal pass, the key is, instead of letting them get behind you, to go in opposite directions, so that they only get behind one ship, and to try to make them bump, also the fighers work wonders for turning around, or for positioning so that you can bump YOURSELF@! to essentially stay in place and get another front arc of shooting off)

kitting out 3 keldorns to have cpt skill 7 and have something like admirals pips is also really good,

neither is a guarantee OFC, bad rolls will screw you still, but they will also screw over the borg!

i found the biggest thing with borg to to have a copy of the FAQ so that they know that extra damage from crits is applied, even if on going effects are not.

also those are just the examples of "beat them with more attacks that go first" strat, for DOM, the best strat is EDT's (IE the disable strat), which are also great against most other ships too.

Why do I need a copy of the FAQ to play against borg?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Why do I need a copy of the FAQ to play against borg?

A lot of people don't believe that you can apply crits to borg hull armou. The hull armour turns crits to hits in the defender modifies dice step. The attacker then modifies dice, so torpedoes that turn one battle station to crit, Khan, or Toreth then apply crits to the hull armour. Things like STUNNED HELMSMAN have no effect but anything that applies extra damage, ie direct hit will take effect.

actually, the FAQ is that ALL crits that cause extra damage are applied, not just ones from modified dice IE torpedoes

then flipped over,

it ignores all ongoing effects,

very different from what the card actually says, a literal rules change, but a good/needed one.

I have found a couple of occasions where the FAQs seem to say the exact opposite of what the cards say.

For example, a couple of us at my Gaming Club read the 'Cheat Death' card independently from each other. Yet both of us came away with the understanding that Cheat Death gives you your printed written down Hull Value back, minus 1 damage point.

Whereas the FAQs say, it leaves your ship with exactly 1 hull point. There is genuinely no way I can twist my head around to take that meaning from the actual physical card.

The other one that caught me out was the FAQ answer about things like 'add +2 attack/defence dice this round' meaning, literally add a total of 2 dice. Not per attack. That massively caught me out until I read over my cards and found out I don't have any that really have that precise phrasing applied to it, that didn't' explain it any other way (EG, 'and discard this card')

 easysauce wrote:
actually, the FAQ is that ALL crits that cause extra damage are applied, not just ones from modified dice IE torpedoes

then flipped over,

it ignores all ongoing effects,

very different from what the card actually says, a literal rules change, but a good/needed one.

NO! The hull armour turns naturally rolled crits to hits. Only crits that come from the attacker modifies dice step go through and then its only the ones that deal more damage. Justnlike the defiant.
From the 1st page of the FAQ:

"3. If a player manages to assign critical hits to borg ablative hull armour (suchnas through Toreth), do those critical effects hurt the ship?

Ongoing effects against the ship (like Stunned Helmsman) do not have any effect. But immediate effects (like Direct Hit!) do occur."

Nothing in the FAQ negates the printed text of turning rolled crits to hits.

Very interesting! I had planned on going down the ED route for anti borg, seemed most viable, double battleship's a nice build too though. I'd been thinking Galor swarm for overwhelming them, but 3 Keldons hadn't occured to me.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
actually, the FAQ is that ALL crits that cause extra damage are applied, not just ones from modified dice IE torpedoes

then flipped over,

it ignores all ongoing effects,

very different from what the card actually says, a literal rules change, but a good/needed one.

NO! The hull armour turns naturally rolled crits to hits. Only crits that come from the attacker modifies dice step go through and then its only the ones that deal more damage. Justnlike the defiant.
From the 1st page of the FAQ:

"3. If a player manages to assign critical hits to borg ablative hull armour (suchnas through Toreth), do those critical effects hurt the ship?

Ongoing effects against the ship (like Stunned Helmsman) do not have any effect. But immediate effects (like Direct Hit!) do occur."

Nothing in the FAQ negates the printed text of turning rolled crits to hits.

Ahhh yes ok, I think you are right I was a bit off on the FAQ, they dont ignore all crits, just ones you roll, not ones you modify since thats after defender modifies.

hasnt mattered yet, esp since this still covers things like khans BS to crit conversion which was what I have also used the transphasics with to good sucess.

 easysauce wrote:


Ahhh yes ok, I think you are right I was a bit off on the FAQ, they dont ignore all crits, just ones you roll, not ones you modify since thats after defender modifies.

hasnt mattered yet, esp since this still covers things like khans BS to crit conversion which was what I have also used the transphasics with to good sucess.

Lol, no worries it's easy to get confused in the quagmire that is the FAQ thread. At leas it's no long 150 pages.

So I just got done playing my first set of games this past weekend having played as the Borg (I just started Attack Wing since I've been waiting for the Borg since the game came out), and I'm quickly realizing just how broken they are.

At 100 points I tried a single cube list and a double sphere list in two separate games, both of which were little to no challenge. My opponent went into it knowing full well that the Borg were broken, and even tooled his lists accordingly, so he wasn't too distraught over it. However, we both agreed after the game that if I was to play either of the lists against other players, they would very easily get discouraged from playing the game.

My question to you guys is if it's possible to run a Borg list that isn't entirely broken? I'm running them Faction Pure, so I wasn't even using the ridiculous amounts of shenanigans that are available, but I'd really like to run a list that requires some real thought and doesn't just demolish whatever it makes contact with. While I don't mind wrecking opposing forces, I also don't want to be that guy. Thoughts?

Playing faction pure already helps, so you definitely won't be 'that guy'.

Out of curiosity, what was your list exactly?

You could take sub-optimal stuff I guess but it just seems so weird that you have to handicap yourself and you just started playing.

Finished up some repaints:

Now if only I could track down a Rav Laerst

So I had a bright spot in an otherwise bad OP day. I ran into a guy looking to sell a Ferengi Marauder cheap. I jumped on it and now I have 3


I am excited to run all Ferengi in an OP.

Now that my Kazon fleet is up to snuff I am hoping to talk my buddy into an epic battle of minor factions that no one will ever care about. Who needs Picard and Martok when you have Tog and Kulla

Latest round of exclusives on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=attack+wing+collective&_sop=10

Do any of you go in for this kind of items?

I would never pay that much myself.

I really hope that Wizkids release that stuff at a later date. I'm not sure if people are going to put up with this for long.

Those prices are crazy. I hope wizkids comes down on them, stores are not supposed to be selling them outside side of the OP.

200$ for all 5 of the Collective Blind ships?

Are they high? or just Stupid?

They realize, of course, that those blinds are used throughout the collective OP, so people can get multiples of them for $15.

I don't think they ars targeting the average OP player. It seems more likely they are trying to take advantage of the folks that can't get to an OP or the compulsive "oh my god I have to have that before anyone else" collectors. It is shameful either way though

http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-2nd-division-cruiser

Also, if you check BGG pretty much all the cards from the Enterprise and Soong Borg have been spoiled

Increasing captain skill is certainly going to become a game mechanic now. I could see the new Uhura gettinga lot of use. I think the idea of admirals sounds cool for larger games, but that's a lot of points to spend in a 90-100 point fleet. Admiral Kirk & Dukat are 5 in faction and 8 for everyone else. I see a lot of people talking about teaming up admiral kirk with picard. That is 11 points for when you would probably be shooting first anyway with just picard. A very different mechanic that may very greatly based on your area.

Though if increasing captain skill does become popular the value of the Romulan Commander only increases

Seriously, I just want the Enterprise E and dear lord, they better give us Dr. Crusher, Counselor Troi, and a couple other characters in better versions.

We never got Crusher or Troi on the D, and that, my friends, is a travesty.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Seriously, I just want the Enterprise E and dear lord, they better give us Dr. Crusher, Counselor Troi, and a couple other characters in better versions.

We never got Crusher or Troi on the D, and that, my friends, is a travesty.

The E is slated for an October release in wave 8.

The Admiral cards are double-sided?
Dah! I have all of my cards sleeved. That's going to be annoying.

Redeemer31 wrote:
The Admiral cards are double-sided?
Dah! I have all of my cards sleeved. That's going to be annoying.

Me too, mine are color coded by faction. In an ideal world I would I would sat buy 2 of each ship, to have 2 kirk cards. But there really doesn't seem to be a point in buying 2 of the Enterprise, 13 out of 17 cards are unique and onevof those is the movement card. Otherwise I might have to use a clear sleeve for Kirk.

No there could be a use for 2 of the battle cruiser. It is a nice ship for the points. Did anyone else notice that it can do a 4 come about, very cool I think.