Battle Systems Terrain Kickstarter - Updates thread

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**GrimDork**

Those look nice. Thinking more and more that I'm gonna have to throw down on some add-ons instead of a second stronghold

**Azazelx**

I'll stick with double stonghold and look at add-ons in the pledge manager. I have no idea how to afford this thing anyway with all of the others and Christmas.

**DaveC**

new stretch goals are up

£130k - £4 add on

£135k

£140k - £4 add on

**GrimDork**

That looks pretty cool, but how are we supposed to get 4 reactor cells to go with one conduit if we don't also want the extra doors? Well still some time to get it all sorted out.

**DaveC**

Update #19

Nov 23, 2013
Live update.... BSL & AvP
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Hey guys a very small update just to get you some pics. Been here now in Leamington-Spa for a couple of hours and played a few games on our Hulk style single level layout.

Here are a few pics of the fun and I can confirm that the two systems work very well together, already using those crates for cover and kicking over the those bunks.

**GrimDork**

Yep, just goes to show that the BS stuff looks good regardless o what you put on it

**Snrub**

Any word on how much the stronghold pack will weigh? I'm thinking I need a stronghold but the 16GBP postage is a little off putting.

**Yonan**

They said somewhere, maybe the faq, that it weighs 3-5 kg for 1 stronghold depending on stretch goals. Steep shipping but damn, that stuff is heavy haha.

**Snrub**

Ah that's pretty heavy for some sheets of cardboard. Oh well it is fantastic looking terrain.

**RoninXiC**

It's not just SOME sheets. The basic level is plenty of sheets. And yeah, Cardboard is actually quite heavy if it's of a decent quality.

**DaveC**

Lockers, Bunks and Double door add on unlock (£4)

**Kroothawk**

Now that was an important unlock!

**GrimDork**

Can't tell if serious...

Dunno about you guys but I'm thrilled about the lockers and beds, really lets you bring your boring hallways to life as functional rooms, and the big door doesn't hurt my feelings either.

**DaveC**

Project Update #20: mini update ... more photos...
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Okay, so I sent a live update from the gathering yesterday and as I'm still working on new content I thought I would give you some feedback from some of the visitors.

Set up used...

The set up was single level and spread over 15 tiles. You could easily set this up with two strongholds, or even 1 stronghold - or a Hulk - with additional floor tile add ons. We used a mix of doors including single width (25mm wide) double width (50mm wide) and the hanger doors. The new reactor and centre conduits worked well and provided essential cover in one of the games. Some of you might have noticed that there was a mod to the reactor cells, this could tool as a mini stretch goal over the next few days ;o)

Pre-game briefing

Although I was not timing myself it took about 25 minutes to set up and about 15 minutes to pack away.

Terrain in action...

One of the first things I noticed when people were gaming on the set up was that it was effortless. There was no adjustment to the scenery, no planning, no rule changes. Simply enhanced game play. Movement was instantly making use of the room items, although the focus was testing the rules and so most just pushed into battle. Turbines completely blocked LoS for even the big guys and often a combo of other items would simply make shooting ineffective.

Grahhhhhhhhhh. (I'm sure I have a gadget on my arm for this situation)

One thing we did notice was that you could put the Aliens on the wall ramps and this was really effective. They could occupy this space as part of the game and so add to the realism of this particular miniatures game...AvP of course. Furniture was also used to stand on as part of the game. In the central command room an Alien jumped onto the Battle Table to get into close combat with a Predator... Nice

Sherrrrkkkkkkkk (you can't block my movement this turn old chap)

Sheeerrkkkkkkk (Grubs up fellas, last one there is a rotten egg)

Careful on that table mate, it's not got a screen protector on it! Grrrr

Feedback for the set...

The attendees were clearly taken by the terrain. Not only those that had seen it for the first time, but also those that were backers. We have seen this before at shows, but are always overwhelmed by the compliments of how well this holds up on close inspection. The one we always do is the crush test on the Turbine. You simply can not crush it in your fingers. ) We had some regulars who we had already met at past shows and for them to actually game on the terrain was good to see.

Just hanging!

Basically we got a thumbs up all round, on looks and practical game play.... and... once again we had to point the clips out to someone who could not even see them. )

AvP...

As some of you guys are also backing this miniatures game too, I can confirm that the figures look really nice up close and feel good in the hand. They fit the terrain well and everyone seemed stoked by the gameplay.

We even got the seal of approval by a couple of actual colonial marines, they were there to tell us when the game was ... finished. ;o)

Game over man! Game over! (sorry couldn't resist)

Conclusion...

It was great to be invited to the gathering by Prodos and it ended with a thumbs up from both camps, phew! ;o)

Just over 7 days to go...

Colin

**Azazelx**

Snrub wrote:
Any word on how much the stronghold pack will weigh? I'm thinking I need a stronghold but the 16GBP postage is a little off putting.

I reckon it's pretty fair, given the weight this thing will be.

**Surtur**

I really wish I could afford to do more than one stronghold set. Right before xmas is really bad timing.

**Kroothawk**

GrimDork wrote:
Can't tell if serious...

I AM serious and think those lockers and bunks add to atmosphere and game.

BTW why does anyone decorate an Alien base with fresh grass?

**Wolfun**

Anyone interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4G322z7iiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8sBCMS0Dyk

The AVP game being played using the Battle Systems Terrain (Hulk add-on).

**GrimDork**

@Kroothawk sorry internet and sarcasm and all that. I wholeheartedly agree, those are excellent pieces and I'm looking to get at least a couple of sets.

Also agree we almost always see these guys lurking in spaceships and industrial interiors.

**RiTides**

Man, those pics with the aliens models look great. But to get 2 sets, shipping is $50- ouch

Luckily, my friend is getting a whopping 4 sets of this

and I'm getting a bunch of aliens, so with our powers combined and all that

**gunslingerpro**

Any word on when they would be pushing out the more dungeon-esque stuff? I'd assume after they had shipped out this one, I just want to be better prepared (wallet speaking) when that one comes through...

**RiTides**

Good point, gunslinger. This one came at the worst possible time for me, unfortunately :-/

**gunslingerpro**

RiTides wrote:
Good point, gunslinger. This one came at the worst possible time for me, unfortunately :-/

Likewise. I'm miserly holding onto an Early Bird, trying to move funds around (and maybe sell Kaladrax) to make it work. I've already had to bow of of the AVP one for similar reasons.

**Yonan**

Never have I been more thankful of my "cash buffer" I force myself to live with. I'll live like a miser after this KS/christmas to build the buffer back up, but I have the cash on hand to take advantage of this... well, four of this ; p

The weight of this just goes to show the quality/strength/durability I think, which is a big part of why I'm keen on it. I'm not a fan of cardboard/cardstock for terrain. I can see why it's useful but it's never been my thing due to lack of strength/durability and lack of depth. The thickness of this, the durability from that, and the way it's designed to build out to be 3D, counter my normal complaints about cardboard terrain. Then you add on the really nice printed designs and all the doodads and you have a product that will enrich your gaming experience substantially I think.

No free addons to stronghold for a while would be my only possible complaint at this stage ; p Oh, also would like that video covering the stuff more in depth.

I'm fairly new to tabletop wargaming (2-3 years), though I played pen and paper RPGs for ~20. Are there any competitors to this terrain? All I've seen are other print-at-home cardboard offerings, large resin sections (AvP, RPGs), and pre-printed but purely flat cardstock (ie. DZC).

**GrimDork**

There are so many kinds of terrain available, although this seems to take the cake imo for scifi interior. Others will have a better recent memory of projects than me though.

**Surtur**

@ Yonan: I have a dark alley I want you to look at.

I wonder why they didn't make a 6 stronghold pack. 6x4 table and all that. As is, they have 4x4 and 8x4 which is kind of annoying for anyone who wanted a full table. You're either just shy or too much.

**DaveC**

You can add individual strongholds to any pledge level so if you want 6 pick the x4 level and add the funds for 2 more strongholds £156 UK or £172 RoW.

**Pacific**

How cool do those pics look above... absolutely awesome, and great to see that it can work so well with a games system that it wasn't designed for.

And yes, don't know why there are grass bases on those aliens!

**Kroothawk**

135k passed and mini goal #18 unlocked:

**GrimDork**

Woot!