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 Melissia wrote:
It's weird how the DoW1 fanboys come out of the woodwork to claim DoW2 is "ermagerd DA WORTS GAEM EVAR" yet again, like cockroaches in a rotting old run-down hotel. Even if you get pissy over the fact that it wasn't a direct clone of DoW1 with no changes because you're a boring person, the claim that DoW2 was the worst PC game ever is absolutely ludicrous and ignorant. Believe me, there have been far, FAR worse games than anything Relic's produced.

Well no. I've been playing PC games since back in the day (brah!) and while I wouldn't say DOW 2 was the worst video game ever, it is very sucky. Like a huge version of Fallout Tactics (a very mediocre game) but without any of its redeeming qualities. You need to stop assuming that people hate DOW2 because it's not DOW1. It simply lacks gameplay, the "tactical" elements are *always the same*. Oh I'm getting shot at, better take cover...that's not great gameplay, that's a glorified quick-time event...only without the dramatic effect that quick-time events can have.


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 Rysaer wrote:

Also Overlord, I really love the game but I have had constant issues with it, picked it up with Overlord 2 and some expansion stuff in a steam sale impulse purchase but it crashes constantly or doesn't render/load properly.

Overlord was one of those games that tried really hard to make you *not* like it.

Command and Conquer 4

enough said


Now even though that is the worst game ive played on PC. It is not the game I enjoyed the least. Men of War takes that case, the stupidity and broken as nature of that game made me uninstall it before i even completed 1/8 of the game. When Armor Cars are one shooting Panzer 3s while the AC is on the move or a single Valentine solos 4 Panzer 4s and the same time (on easy with the Panzers on above ground) or soldiers becoming zombies and literally rising from the dead to reman their guns after a battle, ya that game was bad. People claim its hard and its because the game doesnt give 2 gaks about reality and grants the AI huge buffs just to do it.

Civilization 5.

Horrible game, if I could remove anything from my Steam library forever it would be that. Can't believe I preordered it.

Also X-Wing vs TIE Fighter was a disappointment after the previous games in the series.

 Macok wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Second sight. So unbelievably clunky. Everyone also has googly eyes, which creeped the hell out of me.

Whaaat? I loved Second Sight


Well, I played Big Rigs but only because of it's "fame".

To be fair, it's really only because of the controls and the weird eyes. If it weren't for those, I wouldn't dislike it as much.

It's not as bad as say, Ride to Hell: Retribution. I haven't played that though :/

xruslanx wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
It's weird how the DoW1 fanboys come out of the woodwork to claim DoW2 is "ermagerd DA WORTS GAEM EVAR" yet again, like cockroaches in a rotting old run-down hotel. Even if you get pissy over the fact that it wasn't a direct clone of DoW1 with no changes because you're a boring person, the claim that DoW2 was the worst PC game ever is absolutely ludicrous and ignorant. Believe me, there have been far, FAR worse games than anything Relic's produced.

Well no. I've been playing PC games since back in the day (brah!) and while I wouldn't say DOW 2 was the worst video game ever, it is very sucky. Like a huge version of Fallout Tactics (a very mediocre game) but without any of its redeeming qualities. You need to stop assuming that people hate DOW2 because it's not DOW1. It simply lacks gameplay, the "tactical" elements are *always the same*. Oh I'm getting shot at, better take cover...that's not great gameplay, that's a glorified quick-time event...only without the dramatic effect that quick-time events can have.

Yes because intensive micro, base and resource management, proper build queue and constant raids on the enemies supplies to keep them from getting better tech/gear is the exact same, planning to outflank your enemy, planning to make sure your heavy squads can properly get into position and generally suppress the enemy while outflanking them with jump pack troops...

I guess doing the same in DoW1 must have been an utter chore of a game because its the utter same every game, or maybe those arguments you provided are so generic that they can be used right up against DoW1 without hesitation, right down to taking cover because you are getting shot at.

Also Fallout Tactics and DoW2 aren't even close at all, and I've been recently playing through Fallout Tactics.

Journeys End. I think that's what it was called.

 Ouze wrote:
Well, while I think it's self-evident that DoW1 was, like, a bajillion times better than DoW2 (except for networking) and anyone who feels differently is probably getting kickbacks from the DoW2 development team to say so publicly, I definitely would not say DoW2 was a bad game, let alone "the worst game".

Also, I just remembered Extreme Paintbrawl. That might be the worst game I ever played - I bought it for $10 at CompUSA and spent longer on the bus home than I did in game.


Still I reiterate that when I saw this thread title, before reading the contents, I immediately, much like a rorschach test, thought "Aliens Colonial Marines"; like the other person before me.

It's like a perfect storm of terrible choices and wasted potential.

 Galdos wrote:
Command and Conquer 4

enough said

TBH, any C&C games after EA took over production are bad. Still playing Tiberian Sun and RA 2 here!

xruslanx wrote:
You need to stop assuming that people hate DOW2 because it's not DOW1.

I will whenever I stop being right about that assumption.

xruslanx wrote:
It simply lacks gameplay

You've never played DoW2 if you think it "lacks gameplay".

xruslanx wrote:
the "tactical" elements are *always the same*

So... just like every other game out there aside from Calvinball.

DoW1 was "always the same", unless you count expansion packs changing the game up.

xruslanx wrote:
Oh I'm getting shot at, better take cover...that's not great gameplay, that's a glorified quick-time event...

So... just like DoW1. And Really, are you honestly going to try to argue that building a bunch of units and attack-moving them then building some more to do the same thing, while completely and utterly ignoring cover and positioning, is "great gameplay"?.

Your argument is both nonsensical and hypocritical.


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 Timmy149 wrote:
TBH, any C&C games after EA took over production are bad. Still playing Tiberian Sun and RA 2 here!

I found that Tiberian Sun was boring. It wasn't bad... just entirely forgettable. It might have just been that I was burned out on the style, though.

Hmm.

I remember playing the Dragonriders of Pern PC game when I was a teenager, and being completely underwhelmed by the game as a whole. Even aside from the gameplay being one huge fetch quest, I recall being stuck somewhere for weeks because I couldn't figure out how to progress. Turned out there was a switch I needed to press, but the games terrible camera wouldn't let you press it because it couldn't select it as actionable. You needed to use a manual 'item cycle' button to select it, a button mentioned nowhere in the game or manual that I only found out about on some random website.

Overall though I tend to find enjoyment in pretty much any form of electronic entertainment, but that game... That's up there as the worst I played.

Aion. Cheesus Crust that game was so frickin' boring... it had some cool stuff but dear god was it boring. It made WoW look fun by comparison (Which is the second runner up).

 Ouze wrote:
Well, while I think it's self-evident that DoW1 was, like, a bajillion times better than DoW2 (except for networking) and anyone who feels differently is probably getting kickbacks from the DoW2 development team to say so publicly, I definitely would not say DoW2 was a bad game, let alone "the worst game".

Yeah. They were just different styles of game. The first one, which I loved, was a traditional RTS. The second one wasn't. Doesn't make it bad, just different.

I can see why you might be annoyed if you went into DoWII expecting an RTS like the first game, but again, doesn't mean that the game is bad, it just means you didn't like it, and there is a difference.

The worst PC game I've ever played was Fire Warrior.....until I played Colonial Marines.

Ooh - a special mention for AVP on the PS3/X-box. Not quite an awful game, but DAMN that game was short.

 Zathras wrote:
The worst PC game I've ever played was Fire Warrior.....until I played Colonial Marines.

Best memories from Fire Warrior come from the first level:

1. I'm standing at the end of a trench line. There's 2-3 Guardsmen up ahead, all firing at me. I got to take cover when I realise I'm not being hit. I stop, and look a little more closely. The bolts from their Lasguns are screaming down the trench and then just vanishing a couple of metres before they hit me. I stand in the open for a while and watch them fire away, never hitting because their guns lack the range to fire down the trench.
2. I reach the end boss, and it's a Vulture Gunship!!! After circle strafing it for a while the Vulture vanishes, is replaced with a 2d explosion sprite, and then nothing. No wreckage. No smoke. No linger effects to show that the Vulture even existed. It just went "pop" and was gone.

Terrible game.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Zathras wrote:
The worst PC game I've ever played was Fire Warrior.....until I played Colonial Marines.

1. I'm standing at the end of a trench line. There's 2-3 Guardsmen up ahead, all firing at me. I got to take cover when I realise I'm not being hit. I stop, and look a little more closely. The bolts from their Lasguns are screaming down the trench and then just vanishing a couple of metres before they hit me. I stand in the open for a while and watch them fire away, never hitting because their guns lack the range to fire down the trench.

This seems an accurate representation of the lasgun vs tau rifle, what's the problem? 24'' vs 30''

Ya know, I loved DoW2 so much. I know everyone has their tastes, but I never thought some people would consider it the worst video game, that was... surprising.

Fortunately for me, most of the really BAD games I have are on NES, rather htan PC, heh.

As far as DoW2 goes, it has a lot of things that I like in the single player. I felt way more connected and engaged in the story when my squads had a recognizable face and personality, which is something that most RTSes take me out of when my hero/lord is just another dude with a different color. With DoW2, I felt more invested in learning about the characters and personalities.

The RPG elements helped somewhat, but were not really well executed in DoW2, as each squad had a clear 'best' option and you'd dump points into that always. So good idea, but needed a more fleshed out execution.

I think if there was more options and more forces to command, I think that would be a very good overall design though.

I of the Dragon.

Gothic 3 - the most buggy piece of kack ever released. Even some time after it was out when I picked up a copy for a fiver it was unplayable even with all the patches installed. Half of the quests could not be completed as characters you needed to interact with didn't exist for example...

 kirsanth wrote:
I of the Dragon.

I'm going to call that one of the lamest titles ever to appear on a PC game XD

 LordofHats wrote:

 kirsanth wrote:
I of the Dragon.

I'm going to call that one of the lamest titles ever to appear on a PC game XD

And the game is worse, if it can be believed.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

xruslanx wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
It's weird how the DoW1 fanboys come out of the woodwork to claim DoW2 is "ermagerd DA WORTS GAEM EVAR" yet again, like cockroaches in a rotting old run-down hotel. Even if you get pissy over the fact that it wasn't a direct clone of DoW1 with no changes because you're a boring person, the claim that DoW2 was the worst PC game ever is absolutely ludicrous and ignorant. Believe me, there have been far, FAR worse games than anything Relic's produced.

Well no. I've been playing PC games since back in the day (brah!) and while I wouldn't say DOW 2 was the worst video game ever, it is very sucky. Like a huge version of Fallout Tactics (a very mediocre game) but without any of its redeeming qualities. You need to stop assuming that people hate DOW2 because it's not DOW1. It simply lacks gameplay, the "tactical" elements are *always the same*. Oh I'm getting shot at, better take cover...that's not great gameplay, that's a glorified quick-time event...only without the dramatic effect that quick-time events can have.

Yes because intensive micro, base and resource management, proper build queue and constant raids on the enemies supplies to keep them from getting better tech/gear is the exact same, planning to outflank your enemy, planning to make sure your heavy squads can properly get into position and generally suppress the enemy while outflanking them with jump pack troops...

I guess doing the same in DoW1 must have been an utter chore of a game because its the utter same every game, or maybe those arguments you provided are so generic that they can be used right up against DoW1 without hesitation, right down to taking cover because you are getting shot at.

Also Fallout Tactics and DoW2 aren't even close at all, and I've been recently playing through Fallout Tactics.

DOW1 is about resource management and force concentration, it's a real time strategy rather than a tactics game. To be fair what I said above could be equally applied to any squad-based tactical game, though it's better implimented elsewhere (Fallout: Tactics).


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 Zathras wrote:
The worst PC game I've ever played was Fire Warrior.

Fire warrior was awesome.

I can't believe I'm about to say this...

xruslanx wrote:
DOW1 is about resource management and force concentration, it's a real time strategy rather than a tactics game. To be fair what I said above could be equally applied to any squad-based tactical game, though it's better implimented elsewhere (Fallout: Tactics).

I completely agree with xruslanx. In fact, I don't think there's anything he could say that would make me change my...

xruslanx wrote:
Fire warrior was awesome.

*sigh* ... never mind...

I'm glad I knew Fire Warrior was bad before I ever played it. Expectations can be killer.

I have to admit... I *enjoyed* Fire Warrior. But I cannot in good conscience defend it as a good game to others on that basis alone - I'm aware that as a 40k player I'm HUGELY biased.

On that note, however... I couldn't stand Rites of War. It tried too hard to emulate tabletop play when Dawn of War (amongst others) later showed us that the better route was to show us things about the setting via a videogame that tabletop couldn't.

Enter The Matrix had major issues, too. It just didn't really know what sort of game it wanted to be, and its focus (and its control systems!!) wound up all over the place as a result. And that alternate ending? ...err, I could see what they were TRYING to do (because they completely broke all immersion for 5-10 minutes to try to explain) but we really could've done without that, thanks.

Fire Warrior did have some great, hammy voice acting.

The worst PC game I ever played? Well, being as how I'm console boy and have only ever owned one PC in the whole of my adult life, it would have to be Daikatana, or any of the Leisure Suit Larry 'Games'. All equally cack in my opinion.
But then, I really dislike Master Of Orion as well. Never understood my mates obsession with that game back in the day. I had a few friends who would hot seat that bad boy for 12-14 hours at a time.

How

I've played a lot of bad games in my time. Most of them were let down by bugs or simply had limited and unoriginal gameplay.

But among the dozens of mediocre games I've played, I think only one was so badly made that it wasn't just the worst game I ever played, but actually failed to be a game at all, and that game was Master of Orion 3.

I loved the hell out of Master of Orion 2. Played that game through a silly amount of times. And Master of Orion 3 came out when I was living in a small country town and had hours every night to play computer games. So even though it was obtuse, and presented me dozens of bits of information every turn with no explanation to how these pieces all fit together, I still kept playing, expecting that when it all made sense there'd be a fun game there. So I spent weeks piecing it all together, figuring out how every unexplained and obtuse sub-system linked together... until I slowly realised there simply wasn't a game at the core of Master of Orion 3. Once you understood how it works, there is either one obvious optimum choice, or perhaps more often the choice is meaningless. And even that can still be forgiven in a game where you get giant death rays that can blow up planets... but the makers of Master of Orion 3 just didn't understand the idea of toys, instead doling out upgrades in an endless series of minor improvements, so the increase in power is just incremental, each level indistinguishable from the last.

The whole game helped me understand game design in a way that no good game could. There was a time when I would have thought good game design was hundreds of sub-systems all working to produce an incredibly complex game, but Master of Orion 3 taught me that doesn't even produce a bad game, because what it produces isn't even what a game is.

I think that EA did a good job on Tiberium 3, Kanes Wrath and RA 3. The expansion to RA 3 was slight disappointing as it didn't add new unit to multiplayer. They really failed hard with Tiberium 4 as they tried to make it into DoW... terribly idea.

The worst game that I luckily didn't play was Colonial Marines. How they can still be a successful company after that shameless lie of a trailer the put out at E3 is a disgrace. Gearbox are a joke, and I will be extremely cautious about buying another game from them in the future. The hype they get after Borderlands is completely undeserved. It's an OK game, but it's hardly groundbreaking.