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Man... that DUA stuff is split up so nicely.... going to be hard to ignore.

Also, curious about the fluff behind the Ngaatoro.... brothers?

January and February releases listed on Wyrd's Upcoming page. We get some sneak-ah peek-ahs!
January:
Malisaurus(RAAAAAAAAAAWR!):


Sandworm:


Wanderlust:



February
ANYA!:


Dirty Work:


English Ivan:


Jessie's the only one I'm feeling "meh" about. Something looks off about her neck, but it might be easily fixed with a paintjob.
Some stuff's been moved around(Cutting Edge Technology to January! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! ) and some of the stuff that solicits have had do not appear(Outcast and Explorer's Society starter sets) at all.

Oh yeah, and for Rygnan who called it from the outset:
Here's the cover for "From Nightmares", the Neverborn faction book!

Some good models but some odd elements - not sure f there is any distortion of the images or its angles?

The Rex is fun
Sandworm I think is good but odd angle
Jessie has a giant neck which looks just wrong.
Bellhop is cool
Anya is great as Is Corvis
Operative 1 seems to have a giant hand but otherwise like them both
English Ivan looks good as does his Crew and esp Eva

Most of those boxes have one great miniature and a bunch of meh for me. I can’t justify any of the prices.


Well, maybe for the sandworm if I can’t find some other decent source.

Just throwing this out there, but the Sandworm is a 50mm based model for $18. Miniature Market has it for $14.49 if you're willing to go that route.

Huh. I was expecting $35 to $50, like every other Wyrd product I’ve had any interest in the last couple years.

English Ivan shall be mine, oh yes.

Wyrd just launched a new range of starter boxes for Malifaux. One for each faction with models, cards and full plastic tokens and measuring widgets

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2021/2/10/waldos-weekly-getting-the-party-started?fbclid=IwAR0cRlO4eXXtrgbHd5n5QXydrlPYWS1cWhfNlWXB47JD_doiPbd8sll94bM

Blooming great news.

They're very similar to the M2E line of 2 player starters; just broken out so you don't have to find someone to share with. I'm not really convinced they make a better starting product than a crew box, but they ARE a good item for FLGS to stock to promote the game.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but the Sandworm is a 50mm based model for $18. Miniature Market has it for $14.49 if you're willing to go that route.

Sadly Wyrd's gakky pricing has struck again and it's now $28. You can of course buy the Derpasuarus Rex for $45!

Wyrd - charging GW prices for sub PVC detail since M2E.

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm not really convinced they make a better starting product than a crew box, but they ARE a good item for FLGS to stock to promote the game.

Totally there to promote the game to new players. I'm not 100% down with how Wyrd are packaging their models now and would much prefer they do it how they did in M2e, but I understand in the current day when shelf space is ata premium why they did it, these starters are part of that push. Meh, if it helps the game grow I'm fine with it.

On another note, it's been nearly a year since GG1 came out and people are already asking about GG2 and.... I ahven't played a single game of GG1 thanks to plague-o-geddon. I'm hoping when they get there they give us something to make Sonia viable again.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but the Sandworm is a 50mm based model for $18. Miniature Market has it for $14.49 if you're willing to go that route.

Sadly Wyrd's gakky pricing has struck again and it's now $28. You can of course buy the Derpasuarus Rex for $45!

Wyrd - charging GW prices for sub PVC detail since M2E.

Yeah, their pricing vs. detail is sometimes pretty bad. Also, their sculptors so seemed to misunderstand how to translate illustrations to models, with weird warping etc. That, and the way they broke up themes meant I've disappointingly never made the transition to 3rd because it would have taken variously getting new collections or invalidating parts of mine; if 4th is a strong streamlining or something, I might, but 3rd felt like change for the sake of change, and left me behind...

 .Mikes. wrote:

Totally there to promote the game to new players. I'm not 100% down with how Wyrd are packaging their models now and would much prefer they do it how they did in M2e, but I understand in the current day when shelf space is ata premium why they did it, these starters are part of that push. Meh, if it helps the game grow I'm fine with it.

I've gotten more new players on the "buy a crew box and one expansion" model than I did for the entirety of M1E and M2E combined. For the most part the bundle prices have been better than what they were individually, and I think it really helps that there's usually something flashy to sell with some of the duller, but important meat and potato models in boxes now. I do wish they'd sell singles on their webstore longer though just to help existing players patch up their collections. I did a lot of clearance shopping during the transition to avoid it, but that window closed faster than I would have liked.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm not really convinced they make a better starting product than a crew box, but they ARE a good item for FLGS to stock to promote the game.

Totally there to promote the game to new players. I'm not 100% down with how Wyrd are packaging their models now and would much prefer they do it how they did in M2e, but I understand in the current day when shelf space is ata premium why they did it, these starters are part of that push. Meh, if it helps the game grow I'm fine with it.

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Their packaging is borderline predatory in this edition. It's not about reducing the number of SKU's, it's about making you rebuy models you already own. Look at the Ophelia box... they added La Croix raiders (new units) and moved Remi, Raphael, and Pere Ravage to the Copycats box. If you want Sami in the Copycats box, you have to rebuy 3 units and if you want the La Croix raiders you have to rebuy Ophelia/young Lecroix. They don't even give you the courtesy of a reacharound by giving them new sculpts. Yan Lo, Somer, Leviticus, the 2 player box sets, and doubtless others I am missing were all split up to intentionally require you to buy old models to get new ones, when they could have just as easily packaged old with old and new with new.

Not to mention they let their little circlejerk on the forums decide which masters to squat. So yay, I'm now out Ramos, Lilith and Collodi, while Lynch was kicked out of Neverborn because 20 or so people voted that way. Sure, you can use them in unofficial play... just like other random fan made units! They don't get new units or support, and aren't really balanced, so they're effectively gone for most people.

Nathan wants to run with the big dogs and is really proud of his plastics, but they game doesn't have the playerbase to support HIPS. If they went resin like WWX they could at least justify the botique prices. I like the game, but really hate the company behind it.

I think you're prescribing a lot of malice that isn't really there, but maybe I'm too forgiving. Brand new models are sold on their store individually for players that already had M2E releases and the boxes are drawn up pretty cleanly to buy by keyword.

I guess I also just saw M2E's style as far more predatory and this is a huge improvement. I have such a mess of models I don't want because they were part of a set that included a model I needed from a crew from a different faction. Starting now, for the most part I can buy into a master without much in the way of excess. I've got a total of 4 duplicates from the new box sets, and they're all a result of the new bundles being cheap enough that it wasn't worth the special order to avoid duplicates.

 LunarSol wrote:
I think you're prescribing a lot of malice that isn't really there, but maybe I'm too forgiving.

Had a gaming friend who was over one of Wyrd's lines, so have some additional insight into the company, so I'm less forgiving.

Brand new models are sold on their store individually for players that already had M2E releases and the boxes are drawn up pretty cleanly to buy by keyword.

The new special models are also expensive, to the point where you may as well buy the entire box again. You can get the La Croix raiders for $27 plus exorbitant shipping from Wyrd, or the whole box from an online retailer for $38.

It's great that the models are sold individually on their website. Fantastic for people in the US that don't need to add high international shipping charges (and wait tbh) on top of that, but a little less so for the rest of the world. I don't know if it's really malice or just tone-deafness, but the way they mixed up contents of boxes and outright squatted some units/masters was really annoying, to the point I've not bought anything beyond the rulebook this edition.

Cronch wrote:
I don't know if it's really malice or just tone-deafness, but the way they mixed up contents of boxes and outright squatted some units/masters was really annoying, to the point I've not bought anything beyond the rulebook this edition.

This. I can't tell if they're intentionally pushing around their fanbase, or if they're just in their fan echochamber so think everyone's on board, but it's really alienating.

They still have the old M2E models on their website if you want to purchase them separately.

The new M3E packaging sells models in a bundle cheaper than if you bought the M2E models individually.

They also have 'new' models in bundles available as special orders from a local game store or online within a year after release.

The repackaging rather makes sense. Each crew box is basically a Master, Totem(s), Henchman, and 3x Minions. Some Masters like Ophelia, Marcus, etc that didn't have a 3x minion got them in their starter boxes.

I'm very much enjoying M3E.

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I think the "squatting" of Masters/Units is a bit overblown. Two of the Masters that got squatted, Ramos and Lillith, can easily translate their gameplay style over to another Master. If you want the characters themselves and care about fluff, they still have stat cards you can use. Collodi's removal still confuses me, but you can still run a Puppet list

Except of course Lilith's henchdemon is now outcast, and specifically can't be taken by Nekima, and instead the new henchman is the dude that used to be resser mostly, not to mention Lilith plays nothing like Nekima. Out of the entire crew, only the basic nephilim are useable. The arcanists also had keyword reshuffling/the new keywords ensured that old builds no longer work. Gunsmiths can't be taken by Kaeris anymore among other things. The new focus on keywords with listbuilding combined with no regard for legacy collections essentially means you're sometimes left with a dozen figures that used to fit but no longer do with your master of choice.

They still have the old M2E models on their website if you want to purchase them separately.

And shipping will double their price if you happen to be a disgusting non-american. Much like most US-based mini companies, getting anything "direct' is usually not worth it.

Yeah, they might feel overblown to some, but for those of us who ran theme lists that were very much in line with what was encouraged, it stung pretty bad. Things like old boxed sets not functioning together isn't a corner-case scenario, they're IMHO really bad missteps, whatever the reason.

Edit: to be clear, I'm 100% not talking about weird spam lists, exploiting interactions with mercenaries, etc., I'm talking about things where they were for instance introduced with the same keyword and the fiction and rules aligned.

Like if suddenly Dark Angels weren't allowed to take Ravenwing (which migrated to Fallen because Sammael or whoever decided Cypher is right) and Deathwing were replaced with generic Terminator units because they wanted to rationalize the line which mostly works except not for their elite units or y'know flavor. Obviously not on the same scale, but IDK, Malifaux is a small scale and it's the closest analogy I could think of. When factions and forces are smaller and the game takes a lot more focus than something like 40k, the effect, if not the cost, is equivalent.

I was never a Neverborn player, so I understand they were the most affected by the reshuffle. Some, like Killjoy in Fae and Barbaros outside of Nephilim were annoying along with Collodi going away.

However, for people that stuck around, the keyword system has really improved gameplay. M2E really did get bogged down with taking a good Master and taking all the best units you were allowed to take. The 'best' way to play was to ignore theme altogether. M3E's keyword system really does encourage theme lists wholeheartedly while still allowing you to, at a tax, take whatever else you want in-faction.

Reshuffling box sets, I agree, is a nuisance for enfranchised players. Again, however, the M2E boxed sets are still available, and any new bundled models are available individually.

M1E -> M2E was worse with every master getting a new boxed set with completely new models and no way to obtain the new units aside from buying what you already have. To this day I still have a proxied Wendigo, Steam Trunk, and Jakalope primarily because I don't want to buy plastic versions of the metal models I already own.

Okay, I get the awkward boxes, but I didn't remember hardly anything being invalidated.

Well, except the avatars that they seemed to slowly determine to be unmanageable, but that wasn't at launch.

On keywords, I don't have a problem with those at all; a tax is fine as a balancing mechanism, I just don't like how they screwed with things like barbaros switching factions without a need.

I'm not going to beat around the bush: I took cross-faction masters because I thought they did neat things and I liked being able to double dip in different factions, and I just happened to like many of them. IIRC Mei Feng was the only I played that I felt didn't lose some key rules that allowed them to take their thematic pieces. I don't mind a number of the changes, but I think it's really bad design to axe masters or break up themes. And now, IDK, what's that expression, once bitten twice shy re: invalidated collections.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I think you're prescribing a lot of malice that isn't really there, but maybe I'm too forgiving.

Had a gaming friend who was over one of Wyrd's lines, so have some additional insight into the company, so I'm less forgiving.

The rest of us don't have that insight, so share what you can, if you don't mind, without getting your friend into any trouble. I'm curious to hear.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Okay, I get the awkward boxes, but I didn't remember hardly anything being invalidated.

Well, except the avatars that they seemed to slowly determine to be unmanageable, but that wasn't at launch.

Avatars are now used as Emissaries. There's even an option in the crew bbuilder app to select them. The Seamus avatar is the Avatar or Dread for example.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Okay, I get the awkward boxes, but I didn't remember hardly anything being invalidated.

Well, except the avatars that they seemed to slowly determine to be unmanageable, but that wasn't at launch.

Avatars are now used as Emissaries. There's even an option in the crew bbuilder app to select them. The Seamus avatar is the Avatar or Dread for example.

Oh, wait, so they're useable again? Or is it still the weird thing where you can have necro Jeckyll and Hyde on the same field together? And honestly, that weirdness is why I hadn't been thinking about them...

In a simple way they're official proxies for emissaries. The cards have "This model counts as the Emissary of XXXXX in every way".

Oh. Yeah, I'm still calling that the same cop-out, but at least they didn't axe them entirely.

I'm going to join the chorus here expressing bitterness about the squatting. I joined 2d edition because a few guys in my gaming group got really excited about Malifaux and dragged a few others in the group along. Playing the game, I always felt outclassed by those in our group who threw themselves into things; they knew all the crews inside and out, and played rings around me. Still, I dug the narrative setting and the figures, so I fleshed out a few Neverborn crews and played along....
Fatefully, my favorite leader was Lilith. I loved her narrative and her look and the feel of her crew (that whole Neverborn/Black Blood vibe) and the way she played.
So now, I feel as though I've been left behind by 3d edition and frankly, I don't care enough to find a new crew and catch up again.
Lately gaming for me has been playing Arkham Horror LCG and waiting for GamesWorkshop to release a new codex for either Chaos Space Marines or Chaos Daemons.
*sigh. I do miss miniature gaming. But with COVID, combined with feeling d*cked around by both GW and Wyrd, that part of my life has shrunk down to hobbying for the time being.
And even though I still like both the aesthetic and the narrative concept of Malifaux, I don't see myself going back in in the foreseeable future.

GG season 2 is out with errata: https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2021/4/21/waldos-weekly-time-may-change-me

Cue the usual gnashing of teeth. I agree with the errata pretty much mostly. Summoners got a big nerf by any model with a summoned upgrade can't do the Interact action at all now, but pretty much everyone agreed they needed something to dent their effectiveness so this seems to be pretty decent.

Another big change is Focus is now limited to 2 at once, so no stacking focus anymore.