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 laginess wrote:
(SNIP) This is compounded by recent iterations of the DA lore bringing up the question of whether Luther or Jonson was the traitor.(SNIP)

Keep in mind this is told from the view of one who the Empire accuses of having 'fallen'. There is a lot of liscence in the universe for fluff being done in such a way because it is the perspective of the teller of the story, and this one is one of the most primary examples of such.

Leman Russ. He just seems like a jerk.

I don't like Konrad Curze. It just seems like the rest of the Primarchs who fell, fell for a reason, rather than Curse, who seems like he was pretty much evil from landing on his planet. Everyone else fights, for the most part, with honour. The Night Lords use total force to achieve their goals. If you have a sledgehammer, might as well use it to crack this walnut, rather than say, a nut cracker. Overkill for everything, always. And terror tactics. And, from what Ive red of the Canon, practically back talked the Emprah.

johnjemange wrote:
I don't like Konrad Curze. It just seems like the rest of the Primarchs who fell, fell for a reason, rather than Curse, who seems like he was pretty much evil from landing on his planet. Everyone else fights, for the most part, with honour. The Night Lords use total force to achieve their goals. If you have a sledgehammer, might as well use it to crack this walnut, rather than say, a nut cracker. Overkill for everything, always. And terror tactics. And, from what Ive red of the Canon, practically back talked the Emprah.

On the plus side, there's no "Captain Benjamin Willard" in 40k

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

johnjemange wrote:
I don't like Konrad Curze. It just seems like the rest of the Primarchs who fell, fell for a reason, rather than Curse, who seems like he was pretty much evil from landing on his planet. Everyone else fights, for the most part, with honour. The Night Lords use total force to achieve their goals. If you have a sledgehammer, might as well use it to crack this walnut, rather than say, a nut cracker. Overkill for everything, always. And terror tactics. And, from what Ive red of the Canon, practically back talked the Emprah.

On the plus side, there's no "Captain Benjamin Willard" in 40k

Yes there is, lol. The assassin M'Shen...

M'Shen... Martin Sheen. Captain Willard.

Can I pick the father of the primarch I like least instead of the primarch himself?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

johnjemange wrote:
I don't like Konrad Curze. It just seems like the rest of the Primarchs who fell, fell for a reason, rather than Curse, who seems like he was pretty much evil from landing on his planet. Everyone else fights, for the most part, with honour. The Night Lords use total force to achieve their goals. If you have a sledgehammer, might as well use it to crack this walnut, rather than say, a nut cracker. Overkill for everything, always. And terror tactics. And, from what Ive red of the Canon, practically back talked the Emprah.

On the plus side, there's no "Captain Benjamin Willard" in 40k

Yes there is, lol. The assassin M'Shen...

M'Shen... Martin Sheen. Captain Willard.

Ohh yeah... how'd I forget that?

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Angron outright states that he will never like Lorgar, but he respects him.

Well, Angron certainly jumped to Lorgar's defense when the WE librarians tried to fry him. "My brother!!! NOOO!!"

johnjemange wrote:
I don't like Konrad Curze. It just seems like the rest of the Primarchs who fell, fell for a reason, rather than Curse, who seems like he was pretty much evil from landing on his planet. Everyone else fights, for the most part, with honour. The Night Lords use total force to achieve their goals. If you have a sledgehammer, might as well use it to crack this walnut, rather than say, a nut cracker. Overkill for everything, always. And terror tactics. And, from what Ive red of the Canon, practically back talked the Emprah.

Curze fell because he had a mental illness corroding his sanity and decaying his body.


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 Omegus wrote:

Well, Angron certainly jumped to Lorgar's defense when the WE librarians tried to fry him. "My brother!!! NOOO!!"

Indeed. Though, Daemon Angron is... Weird.

nobody really likes Rowboat girllyman, other than the ultra smurfs

And the people who read fluff that isn't by Mat Ward

At first I was going to pick Roboute, but after careful reflection I realized its not Roboute that I hate, its Matt Ward's creepy masturbatory writing style in the old SM codex. So I decided to give Papa Smurf a pass. Yeah, I find him dull, but that's not enough to hate a guy. I'm not that shallow when deciding who my least favorite imaginary demigod is.

So I voted for Lorgar, because its ALL HIS FAULT. And not in the good way...

Emperor: "Okay, kids... go out and conquer the galaxy so I can begin a new age of enlightenment and reason, free from the tyranny of religious dogma and boring pipe organ music!"

Lorgar: "Yay! Dad wants me to worship him as a god!"

Emps: "What? No, I totally didn't say that. I said the opposite of that. Don't worship me as a god."

Lorgar: "Did you hear that? Dad wants all of you guys to worship him as a god, too!"

Emps: "Are you even listening to me? I said don't worship me as a god! It's a pretty simple concept. Why are you having so much difficulty with it?"

Lorgar: "Hey Dad, I built this totally cool shrine world in your honor, and all these people worship you as a god! Just like you wanted!"

Emps: "Okay, now you're just f**king with me. Fine. I just burned down your whole shrine world and everyone on it because you were being stupid. Are you done being stupid now?"

Lorgar: "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Why did Dad do that?"

World Eaters Chaos Cultist (while chewing on an infant's head): "Why not join Chaos? We have cookies!"

Lorgar: "Yay! Everyone! Let's worship Chaos!"

ONE BLOODY, VIOLENT HERESY LATER---

High Lord of Terra: "Okay, to stabilize the political situation in the Empire, we kinda need everyone to worship you as a god, boss. Is that cool with you?"

Emps: "Oh f**k this."

I'm also surprised by the hate for Sanguinus. From what I have read he was nice to pretty much all of his brothers, and was generally such a nice dude that even his own troops tried to shield him from the darker side of things. Plus in the final moments of his life instead of just jumping right into CC with Horus he still loves his brother enough to try to reason with him.

The real inciting incident of the entire heresy was when the Emperor chose Horus over Sanguinus as the warmaster. Stupid stupid stupid. All the other crap decisions he made up to that point could have probably been prevented from metastasizing into full blown heresy if Sanguinus was running the show. Maybe Lorgar and Angron would have still turned, but honestly I doubt even that. I think he could have been enough of a big-brother figure to the traitor primarchs that their discontent with the emperor would sort of fade into the background.