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 pizzaguardian wrote:

I am glad that we are actually getting more product from gw, but i do think it is not far that days will come when 2 exact armies will matchup and one will crush another just because he bought 3 formation rules online.

I suspect in GW's corporate mindset the above is a win as one player bought three formation rules online direct from GW.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

"Oh you and your friend bought the same mini's from us for the same cost, but what if you want to boost your army for just 4,99 ?"

Once again, this is cheaper and more widely available than White Dwarf, which is where this sort of thing used to go.

This is the best solution.

I don't think we'll ever get to know what is actually in the Riptide Tactica, because I don't think anyone here will actually buy it to give us a review.

If there is someone with a surplus of spending cash, please do share. I'm curious how GW's tactica stacks up compared to online fan tacticas.

Of course, I'm also wondering whether they have included a new 15-point upgrade to Riptides that is only available in the official tactica

 warboss wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:

I am glad that we are actually getting more product from gw, but i do think it is not far that days will come when 2 exact armies will matchup and one will crush another just because he bought 3 formation rules online.

I suspect in GW's corporate mindset the above is a win as one player bought three formation rules online direct from GW.

And in many cases the second player will go and do so to avoid the same thing happening again. "Gotta catch(buy) them all!"

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:

"Oh you and your friend bought the same mini's from us for the same cost, but what if you want to boost your army for just 4,99 ?"

Once again, this is cheaper and more widely available than White Dwarf, which is where this sort of thing used to go.

This is the best solution.

Only if you choose an arbitrarily more recent point in time to begin history. There was a point in time when quality WD content used to make it on to the website as free PDFs in a timely manner. There was even some stuff like updates of older special characters that never even went in WD that appeared on the website (during the 2-3 special characters max period of army book writing around 6th Ed WHF).

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:

"Oh you and your friend bought the same mini's from us for the same cost, but what if you want to boost your army for just 4,99 ?"

Once again, this is cheaper and more widely available than White Dwarf, which is where this sort of thing used to go.

This sort of thing? Army boosts went in WD did they? Not any WD I've ever read.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:

"Oh you and your friend bought the same mini's from us for the same cost, but what if you want to boost your army for just 4,99 ?"

Once again, this is cheaper and more widely available than White Dwarf, which is where this sort of thing used to go.

This is the best solution.

I think i might have come a bit wrong.

I don't have a problem with dlc 's. My problem is the no common sense approach. There is no drawback or cost in-game for the tau formation, not like you pay 50 points+models points for the formation. I disliked the way they did this in apoc (just buy 10 wraithknights and you can kick a*s and chew bubble gum, oh and we dont have bubble gum) and i dislike the way they are implementing it into regular 40k .

 pizzaguardian wrote:


I don't have a problem with dlc 's. My problem is the no common sense approach. There is no drawback or cost in-game for the tau formation, not like you pay 50 points+models points for the formation. I disliked the way they did this in apoc (just buy 10 wraithknights and you can kick a*s and chew bubble gum, oh and we dont have bubble gum) and i dislike the way they are implementing it into regular 40k .

I agree with you to a certain point. If someone was already using two units of Broadsides and a Riptide in their Tau army, then, yes, they simply take this formation and get bonus rules for free. But, as someone had mentioned earlier, those units wouldn't count as Elites or Heavy Support for certain scenario objectives. Is it a fair balance? Probably not. But, it does change them somewhat rather than just being a 'free upgrade' without any other differences.

 Baragash wrote:

Only if you choose an arbitrarily more recent point in time to begin history. There was a point in time when quality WD content used to make it on to the website as free PDFs in a timely manner.

No, that's the anomaly. It was White Dwarf or White Dwarf compilation book for 14 years before that and for about 2 years since. There was one tiny window in their history of using the internet when things were new and freely available for the core 40k game.


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 pizzaguardian wrote:

I don't have a problem with dlc 's. My problem is the no common sense approach. There is no drawback or cost in-game for the tau formation, not like you pay 50 points+models points for the formation. I disliked the way they did this in apoc (just buy 10 wraithknights and you can kick a*s and chew bubble gum, oh and we dont have bubble gum) and i dislike the way they are implementing it into regular 40k .

Oh, then we agree. You should pay points to get something.

In Apocalypse, it's fine. There's nothing even remotely reasonable about any part of an Apocalypse "game". Apocalypse should be called an "experience" more than a "game" and is built entirely around ridiculous stuff. This formation would vanish in one shot by any number of things in Apocalypse, so what's 50 points or so.

But for 40k, it should have really had a cost increase or something to slap on some extra rules.

 Oaka wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:


I don't have a problem with dlc 's. My problem is the no common sense approach. There is no drawback or cost in-game for the tau formation, not like you pay 50 points+models points for the formation. I disliked the way they did this in apoc (just buy 10 wraithknights and you can kick a*s and chew bubble gum, oh and we dont have bubble gum) and i dislike the way they are implementing it into regular 40k .

I agree with you to a certain point. If someone was already using two units of Broadsides and a Riptide in their Tau army, then, yes, they simply take this formation and get bonus rules for free. But, as someone had mentioned earlier, those units wouldn't count as Elites or Heavy Support for certain scenario objectives. Is it a fair balance? Probably not. But, it does change them somewhat rather than just being a 'free upgrade' without any other differences.

Well it might matter for heavy supports but elites dont do anything for scoring purposes. Also we should keep in mind the unit gives space marines hatred which is the most useful usr in 6th edition right after fear.

 pizzaguardian wrote:


Well it might matter for heavy supports but elites dont do anything for scoring purposes. Also we should keep in mind the unit gives space marines hatred which is the most useful usr in 6th edition right after fear.

Ah, that one slipped my mind, for obvious reasons.

If GW had any business sense, they would scrap White Dwarf altogether and make it a free web series. Costs a ton less to produce, and it gets people onto the website where they can buy models. In-store publications should be free "how to paint" catalogs that don't go bad sitting on shelves and become outdated. "How to paint tactical marines" doesn't change year to year, and doesn't have to be constantly updated. GW USED to do this. They used to include a "how to paint citadel miniatures book" in the major game boxed sets, as well as have them available in stores.

They don't have any business sense. I don't know a single person who buys WD anymore.

I'm not particularly experienced with business, so I don't know what "right" looks like exactly, but I do know that GW is fething doing it wrong.

Eco-friendly as well.

Don't think, tournament organisers are happy with GW's current attitude:
"Who downloads latest, get's the most Riptides/superheavies/Apocalypse-formations/Primarchs and wins the game!"

 Kroothawk wrote:
Don't think, tournament organisers are happy with GW's current attitude:

GW explicitly* doesn't like tournaments and you already knew that. So what's your point?

*that means they've actually said so.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Don't think, tournament organisers are happy with GW's current attitude:

GW explicitly* doesn't like tournaments and you already knew that. So what's your point?

*that means they've actually said so.

That is a recent attitude from GW that flies in the face of what a lot of fans want purely because GW dislike the idea of actually competing with other companies.

As a Tau player, I'd say this additional battle formation makes up for the fact others can now use a super-heavy. Unless I buy Forgeworld and run the risk of wasting my money on a unusable model, we haven't got a GW SH toy like most others. I'd expect the other factions that can't reasonably field one will also get a formation add-on.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Don't think, tournament organisers are happy with GW's current attitude:

GW explicitly* doesn't like tournaments and you already knew that. So what's your point?

*that means they've actually said so.

And yet go to the trouble of running several at their own HQ. Even charging £100+ for the weekend because they are 'so epic' to be worth it.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Battlescroll:_The_Restless_Dead_(eBook_Edition).html

Now you too can summon reanimated corpses to do your evil bidding. The Restless Dead contains background and rules that will allow you to wield a fearsome Undead formation in Warhammer.

In the Warhammer world, the dead do not rest easy. Pools of dark magic are siphoned off to fuel fell necromantic enchantments – dread words whispered into the Winds of Magic. The Restless Dead rise at your command – a solid core of Undead warriors that make a great addition to a larger force or an ideal stand alone contingent for summoning forth corpses to aid you in battle. With a clanking of gear and a rattling of bones, the skeletal regiments await your orders, puppets to your dark will.

Hey look, they left Dataslate: Belakor at the top of the page.

I think this one sounds quite fitting. "Summon skeletons" is a pretty standard fantasy trope.

i'm kinda hoping they will release the ability to field an assassin in any SM or IG related army.

I so want to stick an eversor in a sub 1k list for Zone Mortalis!

What are guys hoping for the coming days releases?

Kroothawk wrote:Don't think, tournament organisers are happy with GW's current attitude:
"Who downloads latest, get's the most Riptides/superheavies/Apocalypse-formations/Primarchs and wins the game!"

DarknessEternal wrote:GW explicitly* doesn't like tournaments and you already knew that. So what's your point?
*that means they've actually said so.

My point is, that the GW managers don't understand, what a game is.
It needs a minimum of game balance and fun.
The second time you got steamrolled by a flood of superheavies, you won't play that opponent again or quit altogether. Buying the products is NOT the hobby. Competitive play OTOH is one essential part of the hobby and the community. Managers don't understand, that a simple pay to win approach is killing the fun, the community and the urge to buy GW stuff. 40k is not a game anymore (unless you make severe house rules), it is just a bunch of overly expensive kits.

Oh for feths sake, the production quality on that is pathetic!
GW, stop spending so much on corporate and keep the cash for design and production.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
As a Tau player, I'd say this additional battle formation makes up for the fact others can now use a super-heavy. Unless I buy Forgeworld and run the risk of wasting my money on a unusable model, we haven't got a GW SH toy like most others. I'd expect the other factions that can't reasonably field one will also get a formation add-on.

Ahahahah lol no.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
My point is, that the GW managers don't understand, what a game is.
It needs a minimum of game balance and fun.

Kroot, you need to stop flogging this horse. GW have never ever cared for balance. In their current iteration they still won't.

GW do claim the game is fun though!

Im looking into getting a e-reader for some of these digital releases, anyone know if the Kindle Paperwhite would work with the ebooks downloaded from GW, like the main rulebook and such? Can it display artwork etc? (not very familair with ereaders and dont want to pay for an ipad)

http://ebook-reader-review.toptenreviews.com/kindle-paperwhite-review.html

 Kroothawk wrote:

The second time you got steamrolled by a flood of superheavies, you won't play that opponent again or quit altogether. Buying the products is NOT the hobby.

Kroot, you're obviously hanging out with the wrong people.

In a tournament, the rules of whether superheavies etc are eligible will be clear. In a regular club, people will, y'know, talk. In our regular venue, we ask for a fluffy game, we say whether we want a no-holds barred game. And if we lose, it doesn't ruin our life. Is your self-esteem so fragile that losing a pickup game will make you quit a hobby?

At our regular club, people are already urging us to bring the Stompa. Why? Because it will be fun. That is, y'know, the point. When there's a tournament, the rules will be clear, and are being debated already. Most reasonable, decent people will do that - if they won't where you are, maybe you should find another group, rather than asking GW to police your personal life.

 Kroothawk wrote:
The second time you got steamrolled by a flood of superheavies, you won't play that opponent again or quit altogether.

Where is this flood of super-heavies coming from?

 aliusexalio wrote:
Im looking into getting a e-reader for some of these digital releases, anyone know if the Kindle Paperwhite would work with the ebooks downloaded from GW, like the main rulebook and such? Can it display artwork etc? (not very familair with ereaders and dont want to pay for an ipad)

http://ebook-reader-review.toptenreviews.com/kindle-paperwhite-review.html

I have seen to many people go cheap on their tablets and then complain about how useless it is and rather have the books in front of them. I highly recommend Googles Nexus 7. Its $200 and out performs everything. Its main draw back is you can't add an SD Card, so if you fill all 16 gigs you would need to utilize Dropbox or Google Drive.

Just a recommendation of course but I always cringe when I see people going for the cheapest tablets thinking its going to work the way you want them to.

 aliusexalio wrote:
Im looking into getting a e-reader for some of these digital releases, anyone know if the Kindle Paperwhite would work with the ebooks downloaded from GW, like the main rulebook and such? Can it display artwork etc? (not very familair with ereaders and dont want to pay for an ipad)

http://ebook-reader-review.toptenreviews.com/kindle-paperwhite-review.html

I've not tried any of the recent (advent calendar) offerings but the images should be displayed without issues. The covers from the BL books display without any problems on my kindle.