GW's digital advent releases : day 25 : Cypher audio and rules p22

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**Slayer le boucher**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've played Carnage a couple of times, always had a blast. Then again, I'm the worst person to have in a carnage game because I completely ignore the central objective and just start killing things.

Wait..isn't it how you must play in other games too?, i always though that the saying "Kill first, ask later" was how it was done...

**weeble1000**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've played Carnage a couple of times, always had a blast. Then again, I'm the worst person to have in a carnage game because I completely ignore the central objective and just start killing things.

Wait..isn't it how you must play in other games too?, i always though that the saying "Kill first, ask later" was how it was done...

It is called "Carnage" after all.

**spiralingcadaver**

CoteazRox wrote:
spiralingcadaver wrote:
Well, I've never seen a 3-4 way free-for-all adaptation of a 2-p miniatures game actually not end up with someone pissed off because

A- there was an alliance against them
B- they were part of an alliance that their ally didn't honor
C- one player hung back (intentionally, opportunistically, or they were just last) and won by mopping up the more aggressive players
D- they were in a position that meant they were opportunistically ganged up upon

Fixed B, but otherwise it sounds like a game of Dune the board game, with allies being allowed.

lol, my bad. And yeah, that's the sort of game I hate (same with other forms, such as Risk and its malformed progeny)

**H.B.M.C.**

That's part of the fun really. First Carnage game saw me (Guard) sitting near a Marine player. We left each other alone and went after the Tau and Eldar on the other side of the table. Eventually the Marine player turned on me, and then I taught him what Guard firepower was all about.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Use ALL the pieplates

**Panic**

yeah,
I find these money grabs quite distasteful...
The Be'lakor one had me slightly tempted because my DP conversion uses his wings legs and sword...

But the carnage one seems like fun... does it have random turn order?
I've enjoyed the altars of war so this one has me proper tempted... How much is it?

Panic...

**Grimtuff**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Well, I've never seen a 3-4 way free-for-all adaptation of a 2-p miniatures game actually not end up with someone pissed off because

A- there was an alliance against them
B- they were part of an alliance that their opponent didn't honor
C- one player hung back (intentionally, opportunistically, or they were just last) and won by mopping up the more aggressive players
D- they were in a position that meant they were opportunistically ganged up upon

if GW actually manages to do that instead of something along the lines of "set up equidistant and earn points by holding the objective" or something similar, then they'll have earned my respect.

Best way we found to instill a bit of fairness was to have the players roll for priority every turn (like LOTR) so you won't have the players going in the same order every turn and the guy who goes last inevitably getting destroyed due to A and D.

**spiralingcadaver**

oh, cool, I like that.

I'd been thinking that malifaux might lend itself to multiplayer due to initiative flips every round, but hadn't really thought about applying a similar thing to other games.

**xruslanx**

The only four player game I ever had, turn one my Imperial Guard wiped out the dumbass next to me who thought his tactical marines would be able to take on an entire mech guard army at 24".. Nuked his entire army (minus off-board terminators) in more or less one turn.

My other two opponents pew-pewed at each other, then in my turn with the opponent on my side defeated, my artillery promply destroyed each opponent, one turn after the other.

It was kinda funny at the time since we weren't playing it seriously, but the dynamic between the players completely overwealms the tactical element of 40k, so generally we avoid it unless we're getting drunk.

**H.B.M.C.**

Hmm... you're still posting. Unexpected.

**reds8n**

Panic wrote:
y
But the carnage one seems like fun... does it have random turn order?
I've enjoyed the altars of war so this one has me proper tempted... How much is it?
.

No it doesn't.

It's 99p.

Todays' offerings

http://www.blacklibrary.com/2013-advent

Both offerings deal with Sicarius of the Ultramarines chapter.

**Bull0**

I guess if any of these were must-buy items I'd probably be a bit put out about it, but it all seems to be schlock. Pocket money stuff for little kids. 1000-word stories and little ebooks dedicated to individual space marine HQs? Mmm, great.

**WarOne**

Bull0 wrote:
I guess if any of these were must-buy items I'd probably be a bit put out about it, but it all seems to be schlock. Pocket money stuff for little kids. 1000-word stories and little ebooks dedicated to individual space marine HQs? Mmm, great.

Anything with relevant new and unique rules could be a good buy, depending on what you want. Rules for a new Daemon in 6th ed? Great idea. Rules for a 4 way fight between players? Good.

Regurgitating rules from something already released? A fluff piece that takes five minutes to read through and is of lesser quality than what is posted on a free forum? YMMV

**Bull0**

Yeah, that stuff's not as bad, except for the "Sometimes this type of content is free in WD so therefore releasing it as premium content elsewhere is wrong" argument, which isn't a school of thought I totally subscribe to

**Jidmah**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Well, I've never seen a 3-4 way free-for-all adaptation of a 2-p miniatures game actually not end up with someone pissed off because

A- there was an alliance against them
B- they were part of an alliance that their opponent didn't honor
C- one player hung back (intentionally, opportunistically, or they were just last) and won by mopping up the more aggressive players
D- they were in a position that meant they were opportunistically ganged up upon

if GW actually manages to do that instead of something along the lines of "set up equidistant and earn points by holding the objective" or something similar, then they'll have earned my respect.

Not to mention that CC armies are at a natural disadvantage in those kinds of setup:
- Your opponent always knows that you're coming for him.
- Your other opponents can always be sure that you are NOT coming for them.
- CC units are made for crossing the table once, weathering fire and then beating face, not for crossing the table three times.
- Pie plates into close combats had the most stupid rules ever. If an IG basilisk squadron hit a trygon and 30 boyz, the trygon would take 15 wounds and implode, while half the boyz went unharmed. Not to mention that shooting into two piled in units is already generating dozens of wounds.

**Lobokai**

Sweet... an all Sicarius day! I just hope they didn't throw in any new rules.

**pretre**

Bull0 wrote:
Yeah, that stuff's not as bad, except for the "Sometimes this type of content is free in WD so therefore releasing it as premium content elsewhere is wrong" argument, which isn't a school of thought I totally subscribe to

And WD was $5-9 depending on when you bought it... Although some articles ended up free, basically it saves you from having to find and pay for all the parts you don't want in WD.

**whembly**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've played Carnage a couple of times, always had a blast. Then again, I'm the worst person to have in a carnage game because I completely ignore the central objective and just start killing things.

You'd make an excellent Ork player.

**kronk**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've played Carnage a couple of times, always had a blast. Then again, I'm the worst person to have in a carnage game because I completely ignore the central objective and just start killing things.

Wait..isn't it how you must play in other games too?, i always though that the saying "Kill first, ask later" was how it was done...

No matter the objectives, total annihilation is always a winning play.

**Kroothawk**

Games Workshop Digital Facebook wrote:Question:
why would I buy this version if 9th Ed is going to be out in 2014?!?

Games Workshop: Digital Editions
I'm sure you can appreciate we can't comment in detail on any future un-anounced releases, but we wouldn't be releasing a new book to have it become redundant soon after.
-Eddie

Fun fact: Natfka interpreted this statement as an indication for no new Warhammer Edition in 2014

**Bull0**

kronk wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've played Carnage a couple of times, always had a blast. Then again, I'm the worst person to have in a carnage game because I completely ignore the central objective and just start killing things.

Wait..isn't it how you must play in other games too?, i always though that the saying "Kill first, ask later" was how it was done...

No matter the objectives, total annihilation is always a winning play.

Winning objectives requires options; if you wipe out the other guy, you leave him very few options indeed

~ Some Guy

**reds8n**

http://www.blacklibrary.com/2013-advent

Today's offerings are a Dembski-Bowden penned Abaddon short --- which one supposes could at least tie into his forthcoming Abaddon series mayhaps ? --- and a Apocalypse mission .

**H.B.M.C.**

"...but we wouldn't be releasing a new book to have it become redundant soon after."

And we laughed, and laughed, and laughed...

**Bull0**

Maybe they'll update the digital version with the rules from 9th ed for free

AHAHAHAHAHHAHA

**Tangent**

Kroothawk wrote:

why would I buy this version if 9th Ed is going to be out in 2014?!?

Which book is this question referring to?

**pretre**

The Fantasy rulebook.

Alternatively, they may just mean that it will still be usable in 9th edition. Just like most army books, etc so on.

**Tangent**

So, they're selling a digital version of the main rulebook and put that question out there as part of an FAQ about it or something?

**pretre**

Tangent wrote:
So, they're selling a digital version of the main rulebook and put that question out there as part of an FAQ about it or something?

Someone asked on facebook.

**reds8n**

A Marneus Calgar story and... something else... are todays' offerings.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/advent-day-twenty-marneus-calgar-lord-of-ultramar.html

In the aftermath of the Bloodborn invasion of Ultramar, Marneus Calgar meets with his Chief Librarian in the shadow of their primarch’s stasis-tomb. As they reflect upon the hardships of the past year and contemplate the future, both Tigurius and his Chapter Master realise that difficult decisions must be made – and a powerful enemy must be faced, lest Ultramar suffer greater losses still.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Munitorum-Volume-I.html

The 41st Millennium is a time of unrelenting warfare and battle, every race striving to crush its foes with bigger and more dangerous weapons. Centuries of carnage have given rise to countless horrific creations, the Imperium and its enemies capable to making guns and bombs capable to laying waste to whole worlds.

Munitorum: Volume I details some of the most iconic weapons of the 41st Millennium, from volatile plasma guns and flesh tearing chainswords to skull busting power fists and physic bending grav-guns. Also inside are many equally deadly alien weapons, like the repellent Tyranid fleshborer or bizarre bomb squigs.

This eBook also includes sound effects for many of the weapons covered including the thunderous blast of a volcano cannon, the chilling howl of a banshee mask and the gruesome sound of someone being eaten alive by a fleshborer beetle.

**Allod**

reds8n wrote:
This eBook also includes sound effects for many of the weapons covered including the thunderous blast of a volcano cannon, the chilling howl of a banshee mask and the gruesome sound of someone being eaten alive by a fleshborer beetle.

To post something positive about a GW offering for once: The sound effects are actually unique added value, and when I was still a teenager playing 2nd edition, I would have totally dug this. As someone well past 30, I can't bring myself to care about "official" sound effects, but that is not the product's fault.