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I posted this on the thread about Be'Lakor in the tactics forum, but couldn't get anyone to notice it. There was a new digital mini-supplement that came out today with a set of rules for a new kind of detachment. Head over here to see some scans to understand what I mean. This is big. http://www.frontlinegaming.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=454

So the Codex: Inquisition was a taste of things to come. You will now be able to build your army out of the following:

Primary Detachment
Allied Detachment
Allied Formation

Now with the Allied Formation, players can include units from 3 different codex. I assume that you will also be able to have a Super-Heavy and a special fortification when those 2 new supplements come out on December 6th.

The power-level of list building just went up to 11!

This is just getting silly now.

What makes up an "Allied Formation" anyway? The rule in the link is kind of unclear, as an Allied Formation is not mentioned as a thing in the BRB.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
What makes up an "Allied Formation" anyway? The rule in the link is kind of unclear, as an Allied Formation is not mentioned as a thing in the BRB.

They are coming out with a bunch of mini-supplements, like the new Daemon Prince Be'Lakor and Codex Inquisition, which take up the slot of the "Allied Formation".

Wow. Maybe the next book will be $50 for "you can take units from any army list in your army" and a few pages of recycled fluff and pictures.

 Jrandom wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
What makes up an "Allied Formation" anyway? The rule in the link is kind of unclear, as an Allied Formation is not mentioned as a thing in the BRB.

They are coming out with a bunch of mini-supplements, like the new Daemon Prince Be'Lakor and Codex Inquisition, which take up the slot of the "Allied Formation".

I didn't think the Codex inquisition used the term "Allied Formation", its either a stand alone army, replacement HQ/Elite, or allied detachment. But I guess it makes sense that these little one-model dataslates are fit into the new assignment.

The Inquisition Codex didn't mention Allied Formations, but if they don't take up that slot, then Imperial players will be able to take units from 4 different codex.

I take this is just a compilation of ready-made detachments, with maybe a special rule or two thrown in for flavor.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Jrandom wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
What makes up an "Allied Formation" anyway? The rule in the link is kind of unclear, as an Allied Formation is not mentioned as a thing in the BRB.

They are coming out with a bunch of mini-supplements, like the new Daemon Prince Be'Lakor and Codex Inquisition, which take up the slot of the "Allied Formation".

I didn't think the Codex inquisition used the term "Allied Formation", its either a stand alone army, replacement HQ/Elite, or allied detachment. But I guess it makes sense that these little one-model dataslates are fit into the new assignment.

Formations are used in Apocalypse. GW's latest supplment has toned down Apocalypse units to be used in standard 40k games.

We at GW realize we cannot balance armies, so with 6th edition we are proud to present allied detatchments and formations. With these new rules you can take pretty much whatever the hell you feel like! Tired of your army not being all powerful and having built in weeknesses? Plug em with allies! Tired of only being able to field the best cheese from 2 different armies into one list and barely dominating your meta or local tournaments. Why not make that 3 armies of cheddar goodness!

Coming soon to 40k: D weapons!

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I take this is just a compilation of ready-made detachments, with maybe a special rule or two thrown in for flavor.

This. It looks like these are exactly what Apoc formations are, only for regular units.

The linked description page says that it will label apocalypse only formations with "apocalypse", so confirmed for vanilla formations.

Not fussed, but I imagine the tourney players will be either frothing at the mouth or ecstatic about this

40k may not have yet jumped the shark, but the boat is picking up speed and heading straight for the launch ramp.


So I was right. Upcoming will be codex HQ, codex Fast attack, Codex Heavy support, Codex Troops, and finally codex Elites. Where they list all of the units ever made and your allowed to pick up to 3 entries from each book to field a legal army.

 Jayden63 wrote:
So I was right. Upcoming will be codex HQ, codex Fast attack, Codex Heavy support, Codex Troops, and finally codex Elites. Where they list all of the units ever made and your allowed to pick up to 3 entries from each book to field a legal army.

Of course not. That wouldn't sell enough books. Instead you'll see each army get a codex with the fluff and army-wide rules, a separate "codex" for each FOC slot with the basic units, and a bunch of single-unit supplements to add the most interesting stuff. So C:SM, C:SM(HQ), C:SM(Troops), C:Land Raider, etc. And then if you buy the $50 allies supplement you'll get rules for combining units from multiple armies into a single FOC.

 Dakkamite wrote:
The linked description page says that it will label apocalypse only formations with "apocalypse", so confirmed for vanilla formations.

Dataslate: Tau Firebase Support Cadre

Here you have an example of "normal" formation that you can add to your army.

Put Tau in yo Tau, huh?

So I could have CD flying circus, CSM FMC+Heldrake goodness and Belakor?

Naw wrote:
Put Tau in yo Tau, huh?

So I could have CD flying circus, CSM FMC+Heldrake goodness and Belakor?

I don't think Belakor is a formation - I think he is an "army list entry" so he will fill your primary detachment HQ slot probably (haven't seen the dataslate yet).

But you can take (all as battle brothers):

Primary detachment - Space Marines
Allied detachment - other chapter Space Marines
Inquisitorial detachment - just for fun
Allied Formation - for example Riptide with 6 Broadsides

Or

Tau + Enclaves + one more Riptide and 6 Broadsides => How many Riptides and Broadsides exactly?

Wouldn't that be fun?

But we can all take Riptides now, next up Wraithknights .


Well I say all, we bugs still can't take anything. We best get some good stuff in the New Year

 Orock wrote:
We at GW realize we cannot balance armies, so with 6th edition we are proud to present allied detatchments and formations. With these new rules you can take pretty much whatever the hell you feel like! Tired of your army not being all powerful and having built in weeknesses? Plug em with allies! Tired of only being able to field the best cheese from 2 different armies into one list and barely dominating your meta or local tournaments. Why not make that 3 armies of cheddar goodness!

Coming soon to 40k: D weapons!

Unless you play Tyranids. Then you can go feth yourself.

Eldercaveman wrote:
But we can all take Riptides now, next up Wraithknights .


Well I say all, we bugs still can't take anything. We best get some good stuff in the New Year

Actually Formations don't seem to limited by the chart, so Nids can now ally Tau Formations in.

 Makutsu wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
But we can all take Riptides now, next up Wraithknights .


Well I say all, we bugs still can't take anything. We best get some good stuff in the New Year

Actually Formations don't seem to limited by the chart, so Nids can now ally Tau Formations in.

It does say in the allied Formations rule that the level of alliance rules from the rule book still apply.

 Makutsu wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
But we can all take Riptides now, next up Wraithknights .


Well I say all, we bugs still can't take anything. We best get some good stuff in the New Year

Actually Formations don't seem to limited by the chart, so Nids can now ally Tau Formations in.

Yes they are - "Howewer, the Levels of Alliance rules from the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook do apply to them and units chosen from different codex that are in the same army" - second leaked page from the link in the first post

 Boogie wrote:

 Makutsu wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
But we can all take Riptides now, next up Wraithknights .


Well I say all, we bugs still can't take anything. We best get some good stuff in the New Year

Actually Formations don't seem to limited by the chart, so Nids can now ally Tau Formations in.

Yes they are - "Howewer, the Levels of Alliance rules from the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook do apply to them and units chosen from different codex that are in the same army" - second leaked page from the link in the first post

The wording is also in the Be'Lakor rules from yesterday.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Makutsu wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
But we can all take Riptides now, next up Wraithknights .


Well I say all, we bugs still can't take anything. We best get some good stuff in the New Year

Actually Formations don't seem to limited by the chart, so Nids can now ally Tau Formations in.

It does say in the allied Formations rule that the level of alliance rules from the rule book still apply.

Ah, i stand corrected... got really happy there...

So as of December 2nd, is the only thing that will fit in the allied formation slot just the Tau (1 Riptide and 6 Broadsides)?

 Jrandom wrote:
So as of December 2nd, is the only thing that will fit in the allied formation slot just the Tau (1 Riptide and 6 Broadsides)?

Yes, but I imagine Wraithknights and centurions will do by Christmas as well.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Orock wrote:
We at GW realize we cannot balance armies, so with 6th edition we are proud to present allied detatchments and formations. With these new rules you can take pretty much whatever the hell you feel like! Tired of your army not being all powerful and having built in weeknesses? Plug em with allies! Tired of only being able to field the best cheese from 2 different armies into one list and barely dominating your meta or local tournaments. Why not make that 3 armies of cheddar goodness!

Coming soon to 40k: D weapons!

Unless you play Tyranids. Then you can go feth yourself.

Is that a Slaanesh option?

What is this game going to look like by January? This seems crazy even for them.

 Eldarain wrote:
What is this game going to look like by January? This seems crazy even for them.

I was just beginning to write up the rules pack for my tournament next year, but I think I will wait out December first just to see what we are left with.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
What is this game going to look like by January? This seems crazy even for them.

I was just beginning to write up the rules pack for my tournament next year, but I think I will wait out December first just to see what we are left with.

I already sent out the message that formations and super heavies are banned from my events. Ive already been thinking about banning allies for the better part of the year because of the janky BS they create. Tournaments are going to be under lots of pressure to add ban lists otherwise its going to be utterly stupid.