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Hi all,

Here's an issue: I think I piss people off too much by running an OP list. Now that's kind of a first world problem, but just hear me out before calling me cocky. My local gaming store is a really nice environment with a lot of people playing because they love the game and love the people who plays; and not all of them are all that competitive. Now granted we still have tournaments and in those the environment get very tense but most of the time people have casual lists and laugh and kind of look down on the WAAC people.

I've had a lot of spare time these few month, showing up almost every second day to play games and my Tau army is coming to completion really quickly. And now that I started using the O'Vesa star my win streak has gone crazy, I'm winning pretty much every game I played for the last week or so and every game I'm near-tabling my opponent. (Although granted some of the games I played were hilarious, like when my deathstar ran off the board first turn or getting shot to death because I failed every save possible). This really takes out a lot of fun and I'm sensing that it'd be a lot harder to get games in...and this is before I even use my completed list! I'm not saying I'm a better player than everyone blah blah blah, I just think it is inappropriate for me to play an OP Nova list in an area where the goal is to have fun. As I've read here on dakka in one of the threads, there's competitive gaming and there is the casual gaming, keep them apart.

So my question for dakka is, which 40k army would be a nice new start? I want an army that can still win games, but also is fun to play against (and with). I'm looking at a horde army and I do want to get the whole army painted, so which army would be the best for me?

Tl;dr: Which horde army is easy to play with, easy to play against, easy to paint?

I'd pick IG (alhough I may be a little biased) as although their codex is a little older it can still compete, with Vendettas en masse being the only OP things in there 1-2 is fine, 3 is probably pushing it). You get great versatility from the army as there is always another way to play. You can have mechanised, infantry wave assaults, elite veteran forces, gunlines... there is so much you can do with the codex.

IG are also pretty easy to paint fast, moreso than orks thanks to being very uniform in appeanace. Nids might just beat them on the ease-of -painting front, but I'd say Guard are more fun to play.

The best bit is that, whether you're losing men in droves or crushing all before you, you're going to have a blast (pun itended) with IG. A fully painted IG army of 100+ guys and tanks will look awesome on any board, and well worth the effort.

Orks orks orkz orkZ orks oRkZ orkz orkz orcs ...

And there are a lot of reasons for that:

1.) It's fast - There is a nice tutorial on youtube how to paint orks using almost exclusively washes (and it looks quite nice still).

2.) It's hobbytastic - You can scratch-build, modify and remodell as much as you like. It's Ork-Tek. There are no SCTs. Wazzoo has a crazy blog showing what's possible.

3.) It's fun - BigMek with SAG, Weirdboys, Flash Gitz, Lootaz, Looted Tanks... there is tons of randomness that can go either way but allways in a funtastic fashion. I mean, hey, it's orks. Your SAG can vaporize the enemy HQ and two Supports in one shot or nuke himself and half a horde of boys into oblivion. Just keep smiling.

4.) They are green.

Also, they are not too expensive, there's still lots of ork stuff on ebay because of the AOBR box and the rumor is, they'll get their nex codex this winter.

As an alternative, try and quantify exactly how OP your current list is. Start taking units out of it and give yourself a handicap and see which unit provides the most advantage. Write the results of your reseach up in a paper and get it published

You know, I don't think you *have* to make a new army. You could just run a more casual Tau list, and that would solve your problems while not costing nearly as much money.

If you do want a horde... I think that IG are fairly simple to play against in my experience. IG for shooting, 'nids for charging, Orkz for a bit of both.

IG are a lot quicker to paint as you can do most of them with 3 washes (one for body armour, one for cloth and one for the skin) over a white undercoat. Orks have more fiddly detail on them to paint.

But I agree with the above about just playing a less OP Tau list...

Thanks guys for all the replies.

Yes I understand I can just water things down, but the greedy me inside wants more models and...I think that contributes to the fact that I want a new army. it will be fun, I will have a different army to play with.

Well since you have Tau, why not SM. generally middle of the road with a ok amount of builds. Cheap to collect via weebay.
can be combined with tau for some shenanigans.

Blood Angels: incredibly effective but since 6th ed and the change to combat they have lost their edge (copious quantities of previously ap2 power swords).

You can win but it will be a good game.They do have a good flyer but just the one. They are good and tough but are tricky to play effectively especially against ranged armies.

Other possibilities are as follows: guard and nids (for a while at least), also eldar (which are amazing but take a considerable amount of skill and a deep knowledge of their codex)

Armies not to go for: Chaos, Tau, SM and necrons

I play DE when I want to play something fun for a change. They're still lethal as hell, really fun to play, insane amounts of dakka and one of the most sexy models made by GW.

PS. Compared to other armies, they are actually also very cheap (in terms of money).

Personally, if you're looking for a fun army that can win or lose games in any edition.

The answer is orks.

Playing as or against orks are always the BEST games.

I never "check out/zone out" when playing against these green buddies like I and so many others do against IG and Tau.


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Zewrath wrote:
I play DE when I want to play something fun for a change. They're still lethal as hell, really fun to play, insane amounts of dakka and one of the most sexy models made by GW.

PS. Compared to other armies, they are actually also very cheap (in terms of money).

DE is another great option that requires a high level of skill to play and isn't very forgiving.

But if you spam wyches...you're bound to run into the same problem as you get better with them.

I do not think that you need to switch armies. Perhaps just remove some of those stupidly OP combos you see and add in a "fun" unit like a horde o kroot or some piranhas or something. It can also be fun to make a "theme" besides the theme being "win." haha. Just some ideas

If you want a new army I cannot recommend Orks highly enough. They are my second army and I always have a great time playing them. If you win that's awesome. If you lose... you were playing Orks what did you expect? Not only that, they are probably about as far from Tau technologically as you can go, maybe with the exception of Tyranids, and have a very different aesthetic and play style. I chose Orks to freshen up my perspective on 40k and get away from the grimdark Dark Angels I play, and I am so gald that I did. Plus, thanks to ebay etc, Orks are not too terribly expensive depending on what style you do (of which there are many) and offer some really great modeling and painting opportunities. If you are looking for a "fun" army, it's Orks. Period.

- VardenV2

Wings of Purity wrote:
Now granted we still have tournaments and in those the environment get very tense but most of the time people have casual lists and laugh and kind of look down on the WAAC people.

This has been my experience everywhere.

Thanks people.

I do think Ork is a fun army to play with, especially after I saw that wash technique painting. Fast to paint up a whole army like that and I would definitely enjoy all the randomness(SAG looks amazing lol).

We don't have any ork players here, but they truly are just hilarious. They are easy to get into the fun mindset with or against, because they are just so goofy and hillarious. So good choice!

Im sure nids would be pretty easy to paint. Base, wash, claws, eyes, guns.

Can horde with the best of them.

Alternatively play the list you built, if they are whing screw'em and crush them.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Alternatively play the list you built, if they are whing screw'em and crush them.

The point is that he wants to continue to play, and to both enjoy the game and have the other players enjoy the game. That whole "screw 'em" thing is thus ill advised advice.

Go for a kroot army.

You can buy a LOT of kroot in a tau list.

Use vespid, use roaming gun drone squadrons.

I played in an apoc game this past weekend with my tau - I had only one riptide, but I had tons of other units - it was a ton of fun.

Don't like to burst the Ork bubble here, but as an Ork player, I don't think that currently the Ork codex is both fun and competitive. Agreed it's the best codex out there for hilarious, interesting and generally hooking games, but I think the majority of the time you will struggle to pull a win with them. Unless you spam, of course, but then you lose the fun factor.

Wait till the new Ork codex comes out before collecting them. Currently they are severely nerfed (main example being the furious charge rule changing), and are not recommended for fun and competitive games.

I also play IG, so I can give you something on that... IG provide very fun lists - anything that isn't a gunline that you can make in IG is pretty enjoyable to play. You have access to undoubtedly the best tanks in 40k. You are spoilt for choice too - there are 8 variants of Leman Russ, 4 different artillery pieces (well, 6 technically) and 4 different light vehicles. And that isn't even mentioning the Hydra Flak Tank or the Valkyrie/Vendetta.

Come to IG - We blow up and look good doing it.

G.A

So let me ask if I understand it right . You play in an area where wining isn't nothing . You are wining and others are losing . And you are getting fewer game in now , because those people who don't care about wining , do care about the fact that they are losing a lot ? I must say lol .