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lol, this could be a good thing for the nids....if the spore turns out to get a model may the Orks will get their drop pods back as well when they get their new codex

 Absolutionis wrote:
It says he's binning his Mycetic Spores, not that they're all officially gone.

Maybe the Spore model is being released and it's much bigger than what he expected and modeled.

BoW did this video a while back highlighting the popular at-the-time toy they used for the spore:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/nid-week-mycetic-spore-alternative-model/

He probably has several of those and they're the wrong size?

Awwww, kinda enjoyed building my spores :(

Man, Endobai is being vague.

Will be difficult to make a Codex competitive, when everyone else can take allies, Inquisition, manned fortifications and/or an Eldar Titan in regular games. Esp. as overwatch is death to Tyranid hordes.

 pretre wrote:
Man, Endobai is being vague.

For a reason: He doesn't strive for bonus points on the rumour tracker, but wants to keep his promise and the source safe.
That's how decent rumour posters work.

Originally Posted by Endobai View Post
Of course, but the point is this time the unit is named the same and designed for the same purpose so more or less a direct transition from Epic 40k.

I would assume that none of the Armorcast (Haruspex, Malefactor, Exocrine) or US Forge World Models (Dactylis) kits will be redone, simply because GW does not want them pouring on to the game table out of hibernation. So that leaves just a few possibilities: Dominatrix, Hydraphant, Hierophant, Hierodule. We have heard rumors about a big psychic bug earlier, so maybe Dominatrix, although the name is pretty flaky for big publicity.

Hydraphant might be fun...

Tim

All of those models are way too big for normal 40K. And the name dominatrix is pretty much dead in the water that would never get released in today's world. we will probably just get another weird creation by Matt Ward.I'm sure the fluff will be retconned to include allies And those new allies will conveniently have new box sets to go along with them.

Maybe the nids will ally with the squats.

 Kirasu wrote:
All of those models are way too big for normal 40K.

So are titans but look how that turned out.

You're also forgetting that GW could just decide they're smaller now. I don't think they will really care if it matches existing fluff or not.

Its kinda sad that the GW community has been reduced to scanning rulebooks for blurry pictures in order to determine what will be released next.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
All of those models are way too big for normal 40K.

So are titans but look how that turned out.

You're also forgetting that GW could just decide they're smaller now. I don't think they will really care if it matches existing fluff or not.

escalation isn't normal 40k. It will be forgotten about in a month just like planet strike was. I don't think you have much to worry about in the form of titans being in the normal game. However like I said I'm sure they will find a reason to include whatever they want just any model will not be called a dominatrix is all

 Kirasu wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
All of those models are way too big for normal 40K.

So are titans but look how that turned out.

You're also forgetting that GW could just decide they're smaller now. I don't think they will really care if it matches existing fluff or not.

escalation isn't normal 40k. It will be forgotten about in a month just like planet strike was. I don't think you have much to worry about in the form of titans being in the normal game. However like I said I'm sure they will find a reason to include whatever they want just any model will not be called a dominatrix is all

Escalation is a supplement, not an expansion. Like it or not, it's normal 40k now.

Of course, some people or tournaments may house-rule away things they don't like, but then they're just playing a variant of 40k.

Or games workshop simply realized that labeling something a supplement Instead of an expansion causes people to buy it more...

it won't be allowed in tournaments. Therefore it's going to be optional in casual games just like everything else is optional in casual games. the moment one person brings a super heavy and the other person doesn't have a super heavy is when they both stop using the supplement. It doesn't matter what you call it it's not going to be used as anything other than a novelty.

what would happen if they put lord of war units in the Tyranid codex. Then that really would cement Escalation as new 40k.

scary thought.

 Kirasu wrote:
Or games workshop simply realized that labeling something a supplement Instead of an expansion causes people to buy it more...

it won't be allowed in tournaments. Therefore it's going to be optional in casual games just like everything else is optional in casual games. the moment one person brings a super heavy and the other person doesn't have a super heavy is when they both stop using the supplement. It doesn't matter what you call it it's not going to be used as anything other than a novelty.

Tournaments aren't "standard 40K", so I don't see why tournament legality means anything. Tournaments are house-rules and non-standard more than casual 40K is.

 Kirasu wrote:
Or games workshop simply realized that labeling something a supplement Instead of an expansion causes people to buy it more...

Make all the excuses you want, but that's the way it is now.

 Kirasu wrote:
it won't be allowed in tournaments.

Yeah, he said that.

 Kirasu wrote:
Therefore it's going to be optional in casual games just like everything else is optional in casual games.

Tautologies will get you no where.

 BlaxicanX wrote:


Tournaments aren't "standard 40K", so I don't see why tournament legality means anything. Tournaments are house-rules and non-standard more than casual 40K is.

Well, "standard" and "non-standard" 40K is clearly a "community-invention" to begin with. Like it or not, Games Workshop writes its game on the assumption of thorough "pre-game" arrangements/negotiations that will be individually tailored to each locality and match-up.

So in many ways, setting a "standard" of auto-include default rules that make you're "canon" of standard-40K that omit any kind of "pre-game-negotiation" already is in it's very nature "non-standard" as far as it is "different-from-how-the-guys-at-Nottingham-see-it".

Also, to add to the fun

"We haven't read Escalation yet".

Said Games Workshop.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"We haven't read Escalation yet".

Said Games Workshop.

Well it is dated December 2nd, so it is a possibility warhammer world staff didn't get their hands on it back then.

Lets keep it on Tyranids. : /

I like having a thread I can check each day as my news source on the codex, but I see this one getting locked like the other if this continues.

 Kirasu wrote:
All of those models are way too big for normal 40K. And the name dominatrix is pretty much dead in the water that would never get released in today's world. we will probably just get another weird creation by Matt Ward.I'm sure the fluff will be retconned to include allies And those new allies will conveniently have new box sets to go along with them.

In fairness, Guard allies would let Genestealer Cults return, which has a precedent and which I imagine a lot of people would be happy to see.

There are a lot of great ideas that if done with quality execution and planning would be positive additions to the game, such as genestealer cults. However, based on the quality of the new releases I'm not convinced GW cares about producing quality products. They've realized that while people complain about spending 80$ for a tank they will gladly throw away money on books that contain rules for their favorite plastic soldiers.

Can't wait for this release, got so much cake saved up for it.

 Kirasu wrote:
There are a lot of great ideas that if done with quality execution and planning would be positive additions to the game, such as genestealer cults. However, based on the quality of the new releases I'm not convinced GW cares about producing quality products. They've realized that while people complain about spending 80$ for a tank they will gladly throw away money on books that contain rules for their favorite plastic soldiers.

Oh come on. People complain AND buy the 80$ tank just the way they complain AND buy the codex priced supplements which only has 2 pages of rules. So it is always complaining while buying said product .

If my theory on how GW works is correct, we will see a 2-sprue box costing about double the price of the current most expensive Tyranid kit (which is the Tervigon at $57.75). That would be Wraithknight price level. Thinking of it, it might be even more.

Riptide = AUD$90
Wraithknight = AUD$125
New Tyranid Beastie = AUD$170

A good 38(ish)% rise each time would make sense.

 spaceelf wrote:
Maybe the nids will ally with the squats.

Match made in heaven. Eating and crapping.

 Elemental wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
All of those models are way too big for normal 40K. And the name dominatrix is pretty much dead in the water that would never get released in today's world. we will probably just get another weird creation by Matt Ward.I'm sure the fluff will be retconned to include allies And those new allies will conveniently have new box sets to go along with them.

In fairness, Guard allies would let Genestealer Cults return, which has a precedent and which I imagine a lot of people would be happy to see.

I would not be pleased to see "Guard Allies=Genestealer Cults". The two things are not really interchangeable.

I would be pleased to see an actual "Cultist" unit in the Tyranid book or a supplement dealing with Tyrannic Vanguard Organisms.

To deal with the whole "allies" thing, I could see Tyranids getting a rule for making Allies count as one "level" less for the matrix based upon the presence of Genestealers in the Tyranid army.

Yeah, Tyranids + Guard =/= Genestealer Cults.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
All of those models are way too big for normal 40K. And the name dominatrix is pretty much dead in the water that would never get released in today's world. we will probably just get another weird creation by Matt Ward.I'm sure the fluff will be retconned to include allies And those new allies will conveniently have new box sets to go along with them.

In fairness, Guard allies would let Genestealer Cults return, which has a precedent and which I imagine a lot of people would be happy to see.

I would not be pleased to see "Guard Allies=Genestealer Cults". The two things are not really interchangeable.

I would be pleased to see an actual "Cultist" unit in the Tyranid book or a supplement dealing with Tyrannic Vanguard Organisms.

To deal with the whole "allies" thing, I could see Tyranids getting a rule for making Allies count as one "level" less for the matrix based upon the presence of Genestealers in the Tyranid army.

So they're all desperate allies? So basically Nids still don't get allies.

Face it, there is almost nothing GW can really do with the Tyranid release to bring them on par with other armies in this edition, because many of the fundamental issues Nids face are with the edition rules itself. Allies being first and foremost among them.

Kirasu wrote:Or games workshop simply realized that labeling something a supplement Instead of an expansion causes people to buy it more...

it won't be allowed in tournaments. Therefore it's going to be optional in casual games just like everything else is optional in casual games. the moment one person brings a super heavy and the other person doesn't have a super heavy is when they both stop using the supplement. It doesn't matter what you call it it's not going to be used as anything other than a novelty.

Kirasu wrote:There are a lot of great ideas that if done with quality execution and planning would be positive additions to the game, such as genestealer cults. However, based on the quality of the new releases I'm not convinced GW cares about producing quality products. They've realized that while people complain about spending 80$ for a tank they will gladly throw away money on books that contain rules for their favorite plastic soldiers.

pizzaguardian wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
There are a lot of great ideas that if done with quality execution and planning would be positive additions to the game, such as genestealer cults. However, based on the quality of the new releases I'm not convinced GW cares about producing quality products. They've realized that while people complain about spending 80$ for a tank they will gladly throw away money on books that contain rules for their favorite plastic soldiers.

Oh come on. People complain AND buy the 80$ tank just the way they complain AND buy the codex priced supplements which only has 2 pages of rules. So it is always complaining while buying said product .

For one, I know of tournaments coming up that will allow these Supplements, so to say "tournaments won't use them" is sort of an untrue statement. It's really a case-by-case thing.

Also, why complain about something that won't be used in most tournaments? GW isn't going to release stuff just for tournament players. They are trying to give a little bit of something to everybody. HOLY CRAP for thinking outside of the competitive gamer! It's not like the competitive gamer has to worry about spending money on it then, right? It doesn't affect the people who think and play that way, at all, so they really have no dog in the fight.

Furthermore, Supplements aren't $50 for 2 pages of rules. They are $50 for 70 pages of fluff, pictures, hobby bits, paint schemes, and some rules. Most of the players are into 40k beyond the rules. While the tournament players wish the entire game was on a foldout GM screen, 9/10 of the players enjoy the narrative, the hobby, the game, and everything in between. The Skinner Box mental fisting achieved by only caring about the math belongs to a very select and uninteresting few.