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Oh I forgot I had a pair of Hierodules. Haven't used 'em yet, so I hope FW updates their rules.

 Sasori wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

Yep, Endobai confirmed it is a fighter-bomber, and that the 'missiles' are anti-air missiles. I guess that means either it has replaced the Harpy in terms of dropping Spore Mines, or the weapon in its mouth is a torrent flamer of some sort.

Caederes wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

Yep, Endobai confirmed it is a fighter-bomber, and that the 'missiles' are anti-air missiles. I guess that means either it has replaced the Harpy in terms of dropping Spore Mines, or the weapon in its mouth is a torrent flamer of some sort.

That sounds really useful. What would the role of the Harpy even be, compared to that thing?

Not too impressed by the Warriors so far, swords and whips are nice but the price increase is rather steep for a Troops box. The Prime is a sexy addition and looks about as as I have always imagined it (never understood those Tyrant to Prime conversions).

Also, I wonder if Rippers are still included, since no new Tyranid kit had them.

DO IT TO IT wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

Yep, Endobai confirmed it is a fighter-bomber, and that the 'missiles' are anti-air missiles. I guess that means either it has replaced the Harpy in terms of dropping Spore Mines, or the weapon in its mouth is a torrent flamer of some sort.

That sounds really useful. What would the role of the Harpy even be, compared to that thing?

The Harpy will probably be a better anti-infantry specialist. Too early to tell though.

Mixed bag here.

The Haruspex looks a bit odd, though I appreciate that the picture isn't the clearest. I'm not too impressed with the flyers either as they look too plane-like. It's like they've just got a plane and made it look "alive". Be interesting to see the whole model and how poseable it is. I'm hoping it's a FMC too, normal Flyers don't really suit Nids. Finally, the Tyranid Warriors look very similar to the current one, so, atm, I'm not thinking that they'll be worth the inevitable price increase.

On the other hand, the Tyranid Prime and Tyrant Guard look very cool, which is good! Still very excited for the new Codex though!

And yeah, the Crone just screams "Tyranid Helldrake" to me

 brassangel wrote:

Another bit I picked up:

Tyranid Termagant Brood (20 models-online only) $33 £20
Tyranid Hormagaunt Brood (20 models-online only) $33 £20

The following are mail order only.
Zoanthrope
Broodlord
Lictor
Venomthrope
Red Terror

Does this confirm a 2nd wave to make plastic the Zoan/Venom? Perhaps clamshells for the Broodlord and Lictor? What about the prices on those 'gants/'gaunts? That's cheaper than some online retailers. GW for the win?

Thoughts?

Assuming they're true, I think those 20-model boxes will be a limited offer for the release, just like Ghost Warriors etc.

Finecast stuff going direct-only isn't much of a shock. I read this as GW trying to keep a closer eye on these items; running down any product-specific packaging for them, reducing the number of these units in the supply chain, and generally preparing the way for a future plastic kit replacement. I doubt they'll appear any time soon, as there are more pressing plastic kits to be working on for other ranges, but I have no doubt we'll see the following in future Nid releases:

Zoanthrope / Venomthrope / Gavthrope box
Re-done Genestealers with Broodlord/Ymgarl options
Biovore/Pyrovore kit
Lictor/Deathleaper kit/box

Kinda curious now to see what the cover art of the codex will be like.

 ergotoxin wrote:
Not too impressed by the Warriors so far, swords and whips are nice but the price increase is rather steep for a Troops box. The Prime is a sexy addition and looks about as as I have always imagined it (never understood those Tyrant to Prime conversions).

That's one of the annoying things about these kits that get a few new options yet shoot up in price; the box still only makes 3 models. Having extra options doesn't change that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Not too impressed by the Warriors so far, swords and whips are nice but the price increase is rather steep for a Troops box. The Prime is a sexy addition and looks about as as I have always imagined it (never understood those Tyrant to Prime conversions).

That's one of the annoying things about these kits that get a few new options yet shoot up in price; the box still only makes 3 models. Having extra options doesn't change that.

That's true, but we are saving on the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard. $90 is now $70 or whatever for 3. The online-only gaunts are cheaper, as is the Carnifex brood of 2.

Now we don't have to buy and kit-bash a Trygon and a Flyrant to make the Harpy either. $80 is steep for one box, but it's better than wrecking 2 kits totaling around $107.

The average Armorcast Exocrine was right around $105 on eBay for a while. This plastic variation is much better, and also makes the Haruspex.

 BrookM wrote:
Kinda curious now to see what the cover art of the codex will be like.

I predict a single figure in relative close-up, perhaps just the upper half of the body.

Like all the other ones.

Now we just have to wait a month+ to get our hands on the rules!

 brassangel wrote:
That's true, but we are saving on the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard. $90 is now $70 or whatever for 3. The online-only gaunts are cheaper, as is the Carnifex brood of 2.

The average Armorcast Exocrine was right around $105 on eBay for a while. This plastic variation is much better, and also makes the Haruspex.

And? Those things are great (although those online deals will go away), but none of those things make Warriors any cheaper, nor do they allow you to build any more than the same 3 Warriors as before. Pricing a kit based on the potential units that can come from a single box isn't a good way to do pricing. It doesn't matter if the box has the capacity for one type of unit or ten types of units - if it can only build one unit out of all its options, it's not worth extra cost beyond material costs.

It's why the price increase on the Baneblade was so obscene when they threw in the Shadow Sword sprues. Sure, now the kit can make 8 different variants... but it can still only make one tank, and leave you with tons of bits you don't need.


Now don't get me wrong - I like the way we have kits that can build different units. It makes sense in every way (monetarily, shelf space, shipping, stock issues etc.), but when you take a unit that already exists, throw in a new hat, and then charge more for those same creatures it's a bit of a stretch to say that it's reasonable in any way. If the Warriors built Shrikes, different story, but from all accounts they do not.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
That's true, but we are saving on the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard. $90 is now $70 or whatever for 3. The online-only gaunts are cheaper, as is the Carnifex brood of 2.

The average Armorcast Exocrine was right around $105 on eBay for a while. This plastic variation is much better, and also makes the Haruspex.

And? Those things are great (although those online deals will go away), but none of those things make Warriors any cheaper, nor do they allow you to build any more than the same 3 Warriors as before. Pricing a kit based on the potential units that can come from a single box isn't a good way to do pricing. It doesn't matter if the box has the capacity for one type of unit or ten types of units - if it can only build one unit out of all its options, it's not worth extra cost beyond material costs.

It's why the price increase on the Baneblade was so obscene when they threw in the Shadow Sword sprues. Sure, now the kit can make 8 different variants... but it can still only make one tank, and leave you with tons of bits you don't need.

Or people use magnets and have whatever variation they want, when they want it, for the price of one tank. It's a price of convenience (and not having to buy another tank).

It's not great, but these Warriors will sell like hotcakes and not stop GW from continuing to do it. And again, they cut us breaks in 5 other ways, even if the gaunts prices will change down the road.

 brassangel wrote:
Or people use magnets and have whatever variation they want, when they want it, for the price of one tank. It's a price of convenience (and not having to buy another tank).

The price is inconvenient.

And most people don't do the whole magnet thing. They build their big tank and go "What do I do with these? Was this the reason I paid so much more?".

Where the news about gaunts being direct-only?

Love the Harpy... I can take the Warrior price increases as we have a bunch already, but I hope they don't ratchet up the other prices - I guess their justification is that the bonesword/lashwhips are now included, as opposed to being a 15 Euro bitz upgrade.

Glad I kept a few sprues of Gargoyles, I can see a Flying Circus on its way. Hope we get some good flyer rules. And personally I"m delighted if there's no Mycetic Spores. as we use 4 there would have been some serious wallet damage.

I haven't played Tyranids since 3rd edition... are termagaunts really better than hormagaunts?

Is a shooty Tyranid army better than a close combat army?

How the heck can anyone tell you this, when a new Codex is around the corner?

Consensus is the Doom is definitely gone. We will have to take our our of retirement for a few last nostalgic sallies.

Noctem wrote:
I haven't played Tyranids since 3rd edition... are termagaunts really better than hormagaunts?

Is a shooty Tyranid army better than a close combat army?

Keep in mind, that this could all change come January.

Yes, Termagaunts are better than Hormaguants. In large part thanks to Tervigons, which can buff the Termagaunts with Poison and Furious charge, in addition to being able to create more Termagaunts. Being able to shoot, and charge with those benefits for cheaper than Hormagaunts is huge. It's the same principal why Shoota boyz are better than regular Boyz. Termagaunts also unlock a T6 Scoring MC, which is also a pretty big deal.

Right now, the mechanics of sixth make shooting superior to close combat. Perhaps Nids will have some special rules to help with this, but we will see.

I know no one can speak for the new codex, I was more asking about how people have more recently been playing them, and what some of the most used units are. I know no one is psychic, don't worry!

The Harpy model looks pretty sweet, but I'm iffy about the Haruspex and the Exocrine. Exocrine basically looks like a bigger pyrovore

Yay, finally!
January is going to be an expensive month!

 Sasori wrote:

Noctem wrote:
I haven't played Tyranids since 3rd edition... are termagaunts really better than hormagaunts?

Is a shooty Tyranid army better than a close combat army?

Keep in mind, that this could all change come January.

Yes, Termagaunts are better than Hormaguants. In large part thanks to Tervigons, which can buff the Termagaunts with Poison and Furious charge, in addition to being able to create more Termagaunts. Being able to shoot, and charge with those benefits for cheaper than Hormagaunts is huge. It's the same principal why Shoota boyz are better than regular Boyz. Termagaunts also unlock a T6 Scoring MC, which is also a pretty big deal.

Right now, the mechanics of sixth make shooting superior to close combat. Perhaps Nids will have some special rules to help with this, but we will see.

That makes sense. Thanks! I've always loved the Hormagaunt model way more than the Terma's though =(

Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Where did you see Tervigons got a price hike? The only details we've seen say that you need to take broods of 30 Termagants to make them Troops, not that the Tervigons themselves got more expensive.

They are. Hormagaunts are 5 points per model, Termagants are 4 points per model.

The rumours aren't that definitive, mainly the words "gaunt tax", so you could be right, there could simply be the 30 gant minimum, as opposed to the existing 10.

That in itself could be a great thing, I would love to see even more massive swarms on the table.

Caederes wrote:

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Where did you see Tervigons got a price hike? The only details we've seen say that you need to take broods of 30 Termagants to make them Troops, not that the Tervigons themselves got more expensive.

They are. Hormagaunts are 5 points per model, Termagants are 4 points per model.

That's reassuring. I just hope the upgrades on the Hormagaunts are cheaper, 4 points a model for poison and furious charge is way to much.

Small price decreases like this, really add up quickly. I may have to get even more Termagaunts though, if the spawning rule and 30 brood unlock is true!

Okay, we don't know the rules yet (well except the made up ones by BOLS ).
But still I am concerned about the playability of tyranids in the upcoming Codex:

1.) No Allies. Only faction without allies.
2.) No Inquisition boost.
3.) No manned fortifications. Only faction without manned fortifications.
4.) Hordes crippled by defensive fire.
5.) Only transport rumoured to be deleted
6.) Half the cool characters rumoured to be deleted
7.) Only means to get back troops (via Tervigon) for objectives rumoured to be nerfed big time.
8.) We get a second Tyrannofex, as if 2x S10 is bad. Granted the current model is lazy and can't even stand, but 2 models for basically the same? Looks like one will be nerfed.
9.) Big new close combat moster in a shoot out.
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far.
11.) Genestealers rumoured to stay useless.
12.) No GW Lord of War, while others have it. Only 385$ FW model.

Currently I only see nerfs for an already nerfed army. Even a Helldrake level Crone wouldn't change that. So I don't see how Tyranids will be playable in a competitive way.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Jeez, cranky old man much? I posted a couple times, don't really consider that spamming. I also don't have the codex, and was asking a simple question (that someone else answered nicely). Take a chill pill.

And it's happened. Kroothawk is now me.

Bring on the Exocrines!!!


And we could still get Doom via BL DLC!

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.