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 gauckelnder_narr wrote:

James811 wrote:
What does everyone think will happen to hormagaunts? Will they make them more playable than they are now? Started nids again a few months ago when I heard about the new codex. I've so far got a tervigon, flyrant, trygon, and 30 termagaunts painted. Going to make a start on my 30 hormagaunts too on the hope that they'll be useable

Well if you are a non-tournament player, then just get the units you like the most from the army books and the novels. I enjoy my big guys in the middle of a swarm of small creatures. I try to play my swarm as bodies over bullets. So my casualities are as big as my enemy's or even higher. So from my point of you I recommend you more gaunts. They do well against most enemies. The rumoured price reduction would be beneficial to this idea. But each unit has a specified object in battle, so you will need all kind of units and choose individually before each battle.

Well anyway, the new flyers and big guys will be a double pack must for my army, but not so much the smaller units, as I think I have enough of them. But who knows ... Maybe on the day I run around like teenie girl, whose favoured boygroup is coming to her hometown.

It's always the hope that all the units will be amenable to tournament players ... because if they are, they'll be amenable to non-tournament players as well. Whereas if they are "bad" units, they might not be very playable unless you're gaming with a good friend who can tweak his army down to let a game between your preferred but badly-balanced models and his army be actually engaging and fun (as opposed to a curb-stomp).

As a person who has owned Tyranid models for nearly 20 years, with some ridiculous untold thousands-of-points # of them lying around in various states, my fingers are crossed it'll be a popular and effective codex at all levels of play.

Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

mr.man_lightning wrote:
Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

No. It could be for consistency. It could be because one of the Apocalypse Gargantuan creatures can be a transport. It could be to enable weapons like that experimental Tau suit.

Nothing to do with there being a Transport or not.

I'm curious what the crone's mouth weapon is, and if it will be considered a turret weapon. Depending on points, rules, and the rumored extra foc slots, an army of 3 flyrants and 3 harpies/crones could be powerful.

 l0k1 wrote:
I'm curious what the crone's mouth weapon is, and if it will be considered a turret weapon. Depending on points, rules, and the rumored extra foc slots, an army of 3 flyrants and 3 harpies/crones could be powerful.

Monstrous Creatures don't use the vehicle rules - they have 360-degree LoS for all weapons, and don't have turrets.

 Janthkin wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:
I'm curious what the crone's mouth weapon is, and if it will be considered a turret weapon. Depending on points, rules, and the rumored extra foc slots, an army of 3 flyrants and 3 harpies/crones could be powerful.

Monstrous Creatures don't use the vehicle rules - they have 360-degree LoS for all weapons, and don't have turrets.

Thanks! Now I'm just curious about the crone's rules and weapon profiles.

mr.man_lightning wrote:
Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

They are not the first models labeled "very bulky" that don't have a dedicated transport, if I'm not mistaken. Obliterators, some sort of Battlesuit, etc.

Could be there's a gargantuan creature on the way, or it's just for consistency (to avoid the FAQ).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
And it is used for garrisoning units inside buildings.

Tyranids using fortification?

Well, I guess it makes about as much sense as Genestealers that can't make it into combat and fire support units that have BS3, so why not?

Tyranids using fortifications isn't all that crazy. Hive Tyrants direct swarms tactically. A Tyrant could easily decide that x abandoned building will give his Tyranids an advantage and order them into it. Tyrants are supposed to be able to out-think Imperial/Tau commanders.

It's bio plasma, it also has 2 profiles, one is heavy 4 str7 ap2, other is large blast, it's the anti flyer mc thst nids have.

The harpy has an attack that is similar to the stasis bomb when it flys over enemy units, it also drops different types of spore mines (upgrades I think), venom cannons have lost the blast too, I have been told this is a typo however

 Formosa wrote:
It's bio plasma, it also has 2 profiles, one is heavy 4 str7 ap2, other is large blast, it's the anti flyer mc thst nids have.

The harpy has an attack that is similar to the stasis bomb when it flys over enemy units, it also drops different types of spore mines (upgrades I think), venom cannons have lost the blast too, I have been told this is a typo however

I hope it's not a typo. I really do. Any idea on the strength/ap? Stayed the same?

Same bio plasma that Carnifex's can have?

Heavy? Haven't we historically gotten Assault on literally every weapon?

Not that it matters because MCs are Relentless, but... Heavy? Really?

 brassangel wrote:

mr.man_lightning wrote:
Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

They are not the first models labeled "very bulky" that don't have a dedicated transport, if I'm not mistaken. Obliterators, some sort of Battlesuit, etc.

Could be there's a gargantuan creature on the way, or it's just for consistency (to avoid the FAQ).

The hierophant can get an upgrade to work like a transport for 20 models, that'd mean that you can't make it carry a full squad of warriors :/

mr.man_lightning wrote:Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

Yeah you missed the discussion we had on the last page, it was indentical to the one now on this page.

Eldercaveman wrote:

mr.man_lightning wrote:Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

Yeah you missed the discussion we had on the last page, it was indentical to the one now on this page.

Hasn't it been on this page twice already?

Eldercaveman wrote:
Yeah you missed the discussion we had on the last page, it was indentical to the one now on this page.

This statement could be placed at the end of every page in this thread (except the first) and it would still be true.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

mr.man_lightning wrote:Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

Yeah you missed the discussion we had on the last page, it was indentical to the one now on this page.

Hasn't it been on this page twice already?

Yeah but the first was quite a few pages back, so easily forgive able to miss. But on the last page, shows you didn't miss something, you just didn't look.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

mr.man_lightning wrote:Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

Yeah you missed the discussion we had on the last page, it was indentical to the one now on this page.

Hasn't it been on this page twice already?

Yeah but the first was quite a few pages back, so easily forgive able to miss. But on the last page, shows you didn't miss something, you just didn't look.

Maybe it should be in the thread title at this point...

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

mr.man_lightning wrote:Now it could be that i just missed it. But there is tons of talk of spores getting removed from the game and everyone thinks that is the case.
However, if you looked at the supposedly leaked rules page, it states warriors as very bulky, doesn't that mean they count as additional models in transport?
If this is so, we are either losing the spore, or getting new transport, right?

Yeah you missed the discussion we had on the last page, it was indentical to the one now on this page.

Hasn't it been on this page twice already?

Yeah but the first was quite a few pages back, so easily forgive able to miss. But on the last page, shows you didn't miss something, you just didn't look.

Maybe it should be in the thread title at this point...

Or at the very least the OP.

Quick question from someone who's not been following this thread at all - are there limited edition covers, y/n?

Tyranid Limited Edition Codex $100 £60

Yup looks like there will be, just the one type though.

Sumary on girst page says Y.

 Formosa wrote:
It's bio plasma, it also has 2 profiles, one is heavy 4 str7 ap2, other is large blast, it's the anti flyer mc thst nids have.

The harpy has an attack that is similar to the stasis bomb when it flys over enemy units, it also drops different types of spore mines (upgrades I think), venom cannons have lost the blast too, I have been told this is a typo however

Why aren't more people discussing how awesome this is? The Crone is 155 points with a confirmed Strength 8 Vector Strike (and all that implies). Now we know it can also shoot 4 S7 AP2 shots from its mouth (we still don't know what the missiles do!) or a presumably AP2 large blast. Holy sh*t. This thing will absolutely murder pretty much any flyer in the game.

Caederes wrote:
Why aren't more people discussing how awesome this is? The Crone is 155 points with a confirmed Strength 8 Vector Strike (and all that implies). Now we know it can also shoot 4 S7 AP2 shots from its mouth (we still don't know what the missiles do!) or a presumably AP2 large blast. Holy sh*t. This thing will absolutely murder pretty much any flyer in the game.

Too many missing details. If it's still a FMC, with all that implies, one failed grounding test & Bad Things happen to it (ranging from tarpitting to Tau gunlines). Unlike Daemons, Tyranid FMCs haven't had invulnerable saves so far, and the current Harpy is absurdly vulnerable to small arms fire.

That is similar to what a Crimson Hunter can put out in damage. The difference being that as it will have wounds it will be harder to take down that AV10.

155 pts seems quite cheap so its going to likely have a laundry list of upgrades...

Shingen wrote:
Same bio plasma that Carnifex's can have?

Hmm, I would think not honestly. Bio Plasma on Carnifexes' has always seemed more like just a pure vomit thing and would probably stay as a S7 AP2 small blast, or even be repurposed into a (Torrent or not) Template weapon. If it is though that would be sick.

@Janthkin - But it is 155 points. If it was like 180 or something I would agree, but the damage output of it is insane for the cost. I'm betting it does have higher stats than the old Harpy too, if Formosa could give us an idea on it and the Harpy's stats that would save us a lot of discussion lol.

I'm honestly surprised the weapon isn't a flamer though. Still, I think this is probably better, as it will also have utility against vehicles. I'm guessing the large blast is S8 AP2, again similar to the Exocrine, giving up 4 S7 AP2 shots (or 6 in the Exocrine's case) probably means the large blast is S8+ AP2. Which would, in conjunction with the Vector Strike, also ironically make this thing one of the best counters to Warriors and other T4 W2-3 models

Brutal Viking wrote:
Awwwwww.... saaaaaaad panda :(

To be fair, it was very obvious wishlisting. +30pts to spawn 4D6 gaunts per turn without constipating? Never was going to happen, ever.

 xttz wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

Zookie wrote:
Here's a question about those leaked rule images (Termagants, Warriors and Stealers). If they are legit where did they come from? Has GW started printing copies? If so are they starting to ship? Was it from an advanced copy? A draft copy? Test print? What was the most likely source?

Where is this image? I haven't been able to find it anywhere

http://i.imgur.com/8wjxYsf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

They're just snippets of the codex printed inside the new WD, hence the poor quality.

At +4 points per model for scything talons on genestealers, could that mean the return of +1 attack per scything talon like 4th ed? (IIRC that is the same cost as in the 4th ed codex)
That would justify the point cost over other things that have been suggested.

Edit: Grammar

Yeah with that price I don't see them as only giving the reroll of 1's to hit.