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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
I find it hard to believe that people are going to waste them to kill 1 Warrior when there are 5x 6W monsters coming across the table; some of which are shooting back.

And none of which are scoring units.

The example about Riptides was particularly bad. Overcharging the Ion Accelerator gives you an S8 AP2 large pie plate that often ignores cover and is therefore a good gun for eliminating entire mobs of Nid Warriors, Stealers or anything else that is expensive, and that's exactly what the Riptides will kill before moving on to taking pot shots at monstrous creatures which they're a lot worse in.

Eternal Warrior or T5 is precisely what they need.

For heaven's sake, ENOUGH WITH THE WARRIORS.

We have no control over their statline, so arguing about what it "should" be is meaningless. Let it go.

Off Topic Tyranid Warrior thread created, because I'd like to keep this one open until the release!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/568904.page#6353646

 pretre wrote:
We've already seen that description of it a couple times now, so it is pretty reliable.

Have we? I keep seeing warriors/hive tyrant/tervigon brough up in relation to it. Never any gargoyles. At least in this thread.

I wonder that the crones bio missiles will do? Anti air? Anti infantry? Anti tank? I hope they are not just S 8 AP 3. I would like something with a little more character?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 pretre wrote:
We've already seen that description of it a couple times now, so it is pretty reliable.

Have we? I keep seeing warriors/hive tyrant/tervigon brough up in relation to it. Never any gargoyles. At least in this thread.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1050/567025.page#6344493

Zookie wrote:
I wonder that the crones bio missiles will do? Anti air? Anti infantry? Anti tank? I hope they are not just S 8 AP 3. I would like something with a little more character?

Supposedly they're meant for antiair, but I'd imagine they'll work fine against other vehicles too if they're just fluffy tyranid missiles.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Zookie wrote:
I wonder that the crones bio missiles will do? Anti air? Anti infantry? Anti tank? I hope they are not just S 8 AP 3. I would like something with a little more character?

Supposedly they're meant for antiair, but I'd imagine they'll work fine against other vehicles too if they're just fluffy tyranid missiles.

I first saw them described as bombs. To me the look like something that would just drop off of the Crone's wings and explode over the heads of ground targets. That's just my take on them based on how they look though, 100% speculation.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Zookie wrote:
I wonder that the crones bio missiles will do? Anti air? Anti infantry? Anti tank? I hope they are not just S 8 AP 3. I would like something with a little more character?

Supposedly they're meant for antiair, but I'd imagine they'll work fine against other vehicles too if they're just fluffy tyranid missiles.

I first saw them described as bombs. To me the look like something that would just drop off of the Crone's wings and explode over the heads of ground targets. That's just my take on them based on how they look though, 100% speculation.

Swarmlord and his anti-deathstar deathstar, 3 Crones, 3 Exocrines, and two Tervigons farting Gaunts to objectives! Extra points into as many Hive Guard as you can get! Tyranids v6th!

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Zookie wrote:
I wonder that the crones bio missiles will do? Anti air? Anti infantry? Anti tank? I hope they are not just S 8 AP 3. I would like something with a little more character?

Supposedly they're meant for antiair, but I'd imagine they'll work fine against other vehicles too if they're just fluffy tyranid missiles.

I first saw them described as bombs. To me the look like something that would just drop off of the Crone's wings and explode over the heads of ground targets. That's just my take on them based on how they look though, 100% speculation.

Hmmm, not sure if the Crone will be the flyer killer some people seem to think it will be. Assuming BS 3 you looking at two 7 S hits. Not bad for most flyers but will struggle against AV 12 flyer.

Zookie wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Zookie wrote:
I wonder that the crones bio missiles will do? Anti air? Anti infantry? Anti tank? I hope they are not just S 8 AP 3. I would like something with a little more character?

Supposedly they're meant for antiair, but I'd imagine they'll work fine against other vehicles too if they're just fluffy tyranid missiles.

I first saw them described as bombs. To me the look like something that would just drop off of the Crone's wings and explode over the heads of ground targets. That's just my take on them based on how they look though, 100% speculation.

Hmmm, not sure if the Crone will be the flyer killer some people seem to think it will be. Assuming BS 3 you looking at two 7 S hits. Not bad for most flyers but will struggle against AV 12 flyer.

Strength 8 vector strike

Eldercaveman wrote:

Zookie wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Zookie wrote:
I wonder that the crones bio missiles will do? Anti air? Anti infantry? Anti tank? I hope they are not just S 8 AP 3. I would like something with a little more character?

Supposedly they're meant for antiair, but I'd imagine they'll work fine against other vehicles too if they're just fluffy tyranid missiles.

I first saw them described as bombs. To me the look like something that would just drop off of the Crone's wings and explode over the heads of ground targets. That's just my take on them based on how they look though, 100% speculation.

Hmmm, not sure if the Crone will be the flyer killer some people seem to think it will be. Assuming BS 3 you looking at two 7 S hits. Not bad for most flyers but will struggle against AV 12 flyer.

Strength 8 vector strike

And we don't know what the Anti-Air missiles do.

I'm not commenting specifically on you-know-what-unit, but to be fair we have no idea what other things might emerge as 2+ save killers. If toxin Hormagaunts end up parked at 6 pts per -- and note that scything talons may have changed or improved too -- they may be able to just bury units with wounds. Fleet and +3" to Run isn't as good as Beast movement, but it's pretty fast. My experience with Daemonettes has taught me that.

Even after we have the codex, there are going to be *good things* in there that no one or few people recognize at first. It's how it goes.

There's a reductive process at work as codices age. Usually the armies grow increasingly dependent on certain units/combos/gear, and "crutches" emerge. And one of GW's favorite things to do is to kick out crutches with a new codex. Boneswords may fit that description, we'll see. The important thing is that new crutches will probably emerge.

I am not sure if it is certain that they are AA missiles. Though I would imagine they are. Not much missiles could do that would be better than S7 AP2 large blast.


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This is a repost from earlier (it got swallowed up in the Warrior discussion but I think it is worth considering).

New rumor from Natfka that Boneswords witll be AP 3 and some info on Apex (one per army) biomorphs. Crazy theory here, but if regular Boneswords will now be AP 3 and duel Boneswords are AP 2 and regenerate from wounds inflected on a +5 (per Nafka). Could this mean that a single Boneswords regains wounds inflicted on a roll of a 6?

If so I think they will lose the instant death ability (especially since smash allows us that option for most opponents anyway)

Has there been any word on things that we heard ages ago, like different brood bonuses, and Tyrannofex getting a large points drop ?

 SHUPPET wrote:
Has there been any word on things that we heard ages ago, like different brood bonuses, and Tyrannofex getting a large points drop ?

Tyrannofex is rumoured to come in with something like. 40-50 point drop, the actual figure is somewhere buried in the thread, but probably also in the original post.

No brood bonuses as of yet.

I haven't seen any recent mention of whether Shadows in the Warp has changed. I saw a rumor a long time ago that it might be -4 to Psychic checks instead of rolling 3D6. Did I miss anything?

Not much new has surfaced really since the 11th picture dump. Faeit posted some "Apex Biomorphs" yesterday that sounded pretty cool. Anything else hasn't really come up yet, hence the 2-3 pages of discussion why Warriors need/don't need eternal warrior.

It's the calm before the storm - We should see rumors picking up again sometime around/after christmas, since that'll be within 15 days or so of the "rumored" release date.

Also I listened to the newest 40K radio podcast on Monday. The only mention of Tyranids was "We predicted it would be January, back in August". No rumors or rules were presented in the podcast so i believe they're taking the C&D seriously as far as rumors go.

New picture of. Hive Guard up on 4chan. On my phone or I'd link it. Also rippers and hormagaunts leaked- same statlines. Toxins sacs are 3 pts now, adrenal glands are still two.(supposedly). They did drop one point per model though, and rippers cost 3 more.

Because rippers were so good last edition.

Meh...

From /tg/.

Those look a lot better with the different angle. The pauldrons don't actually block their movement.

Crushing claws? This either means Tyrant guard are MCs now, or Crushing claws have some new rules. I hope its the former...

Not fun of the Orchid-shaped pauldrons. And why are they covered in green goo?

Tyrant Guards still look way too slim and almost like hermit crabs or something.

 Imposter101 wrote:


From /tg/.

I like it! Maybe I have to add some Tyrant Guard...

Not digging that lash whip. Otherwise, not bad. Their heads are looking a little small, but that's the nature of having giant anime shoulderpads.

 ergotoxin wrote:
Not fun of the Orchid-shaped pauldrons. And why are they covered in green goo?

Green goo? Do you have a weird color filter on your monitor?


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 Janthkin wrote:
Not digging that lash whip.

I'm hoping that is the angle.

Swarmy's going to have some new pals..

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Crushing claws? This either means Tyrant guard are MCs now, or Crushing claws have some new rules. I hope its the former...

Or certain non-MCs have access to them now?

The models do look way better than the original Shakespearean version, might even like them more than the metal version of the model now.

If Horms are 9ppm, then we will still see nothing but Terms + Tervs as troops. Disappointing.