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Shingen wrote: I think my post got lost in the mix of rapid posting earlier but if you look at the WD entry for Warp Lance its now assault 3.
Pretty massive buff to Zoanthropes.
I am just wondering now if taking CC Flyrants (Scything Talons, LW & BS, Toxin Sacs) and then trying to roll Warp Lance from the Psychic table is going to be a much better idea.
In theory, the Hive Tyrant could shoot a vehicle with its Lance and then charge them, hitting first, rerolling 1's and to wound rolls (which are minimum 4+) and causing ID on a 6 to wound still with its AP2.
Seems like a great idea to me!!!
I don't know where you're getting that info from. On pg 30 it still has it as assault 1. Also it got dropped from ap 1 to ap 2 which kinda sucks.
Still pretty nasty though considering Flying Hive Tyrants now have access to it. Hopefully they actually got a Ballistic Skill buff!
reaverX wrote: ...Also it got dropped from ap 1 to ap 2 which kinda sucks.
AP1 in 5th ed is the same as AP2 in 6th, so that's not exactly a proper nerf.
Agreed with both quotes. I obviously wouldn't rely on a Hive Tyrant rolling up Warp Blast, and if it is indeed Warp Charge 2, I may just leave my current Tyrants as they are - just take two pairs of Brainleech Devourers!
On that note, from the battle report, it seems like the rumour about Brainleech Devourers dropping in Strength was false given the damage they dealt? Would make my current Flying Hive Tyrant builds - previously 260 points, now 205 points - so, so much happier. And they were already bloody strong!
The passage from the BRB is quite correct. However, as I am sure we all know the Tyranid exception is in their Codex. At the moment we only have one page regarding close combat weapons from the new codex. It may be that the exception still exists but within the 'Army Wide Special Rules' In other words, GW might have done the usual thing of putting closely related rules in two different sections.
If they have taken away this ability it is a downgrade for things like Genestealers with ST, Raveners with RC/ST, etc.
Given Tyranids slant towards CC and the lack of either INV Saves, Armour Saves, Overwatch, inability to assault straight into CC I think the ability for some few Tyranid models to combine their weapons is balanced. If expensive Warriors and Raveners can still be popped in assault with S8 Weaponary, the Nids should get some advantage. And that is without the possibility that we have lost SPods and still may not have frag grenades on many of our assault broods.
The passage from the BRB is quite correct. However, as I am sure we all know the Tyranid exception is in their Codex. At the moment we only have one page regarding close combat weapons from the new codex. It may be that the exception still exists but within the 'Army Wide Special Rules' In other words, GW might have done the usual thing of putting closely related rules in two different sections.
If they have taken away this ability it is a downgrade for things like Genestealers with ST, Raveners with RC/ST, etc.
Given Tyranids slant towards CC and the lack of either INV Saves, Armour Saves, Overwatch, inability to assault straight into CC I think the ability for some few Tyranid models to combine their weapons is balanced. If expensive Warriors and Raveners can still be popped in assault with S8 Weaponary, the Nids should get some advantage. And that is without the possibility that we have lost SPods and still may not have frag grenades on many of our assault broods.
Tyranids aren't just there to be punch bags.
Methinks that Designer's Note about paired melee weapons is in the Bonesword entry to cover using them or any other weapon in "pairs", as every Tyranid melee weapon comes in a pair. That would leave room for an Army Special Rule allowing Tyranids to combine the effects of more than one melee weapon.
However, it will be weird trying to combine melee weapons now that they have distinct profiles, which actually does lead me to think there could be some fire behind the smoke. Do you use the best stats and all special rules, etc?
I doubt we'll get the models the rumour is saying (combo-kit Hierophant, and plastic Venomthrope/Pyrovore/two other things), but the book, sure. That sounds plausible.
Will probably buy the codex on release but, not buying anything until I know what it can do. The new kits look pretty awesome, but I'm not wasting money on something that may or may not fit into my army.
As a general rule I try to avoid the rumour mill because I get myself too excited.
Still, that shooty nid will fit into my army, (exocrine was it?) I hope. What's that looking like so far rule wise. Anyone got anything?
Shingen wrote: I think my post got lost in the mix of rapid posting earlier but if you look at the WD entry for Warp Lance its now assault 3.
Pretty massive buff to Zoanthropes.
I am just wondering now if taking CC Flyrants (Scything Talons, LW & BS, Toxin Sacs) and then trying to roll Warp Lance from the Psychic table is going to be a much better idea.
In theory, the Hive Tyrant could shoot a vehicle with its Lance and then charge them, hitting first, rerolling 1's and to wound rolls (which are minimum 4+) and causing ID on a 6 to wound still with its AP2.
Seems like a great idea to me!!!
I don't know where you're getting that info from. On pg 30 it still has it as assault 1. Also it got dropped from ap 1 to ap 2 which kinda sucks.
It's on the psychic card picture if you look at it closely.
Regards the 2nd wave (discussed on the previous page), the current WD has a full page shot of the 5 FC models left in the range, including Zoan and Venom, which suggests to me an immediate second wave replacing these models is unlikely, in that they (probably) wouldn't advertise models that are going to be replaced in the next WD, which is only 3 weeks away.
Darkjim wrote: Regards the 2nd wave (discussed on the previous page), the current WD has a full page shot of the 5 FC models left in the range, including Zoan and Venom, which suggests to me an immediate second wave replacing these models is unlikely, in that they (probably) wouldn't advertise models that are going to be replaced in the next WD, which is only 3 weeks away.
I don't think the new Dark Elf models were showcased with the WD that preceded the Dark Elf Codex. We did see shots of the 2nd wave in the Dark Elf Codex though.
Why wouldn't they advertise them? Plenty of people to purchase those excess models before the new ones are released.
Darkjim wrote: Regards the 2nd wave (discussed on the previous page), the current WD has a full page shot of the 5 FC models left in the range, including Zoan and Venom, which suggests to me an immediate second wave replacing these models is unlikely, in that they (probably) wouldn't advertise models that are going to be replaced in the next WD, which is only 3 weeks away.
I don't think the new Dark Elf models were showcased with the WD that preceded the Dark Elf Codex. We did see shots of the 2nd wave in the Dark Elf Codex though.
Why wouldn't they advertise them? Plenty of people to purchase those excess models before the new ones are released.
I just would have thought if they were to be immediately replaced they would have been left out altogether. A second wave would be entirely awesome, trying not to get hopes up
Looking at the Tyrant Guard again, apart from the fact the consistently remind me of the Diamond Weapon on FF7, have they got a second weapon?
Rending Claws as standard again?
I wonder how the rules for the FMC will work?
No legs, but scything talons, so can Assault.
Looking at the pre-orders on GW website, there isn't any chance of getting anything early or even on time for this release. Unless you want to pay £11/14 shipping charges for a chance that includes Saturday delivery.
My local said on FB that they could possibly reserve me a codex if i can't make it in to order.
But you can order now and have it delivered to your local store guaranteed for Saturday pick-up. But then the money doesn't go to the store!
That should hopefully help any confusion us newbs have/ had.
Been reading through this thread for the last hour, sorry just catching up.
On the older discussion of the removal of Mycetic Spore for deepstriking, to argue against those who don't see why anyone would be upset, I indeed think this is a bit of a blow. It functioned as many things other than just allowing a safer deepstrike. It was a monstrous creature that could contest objectives and with a bit of luck actually bring a little bit of hurt to a nearby enemy squad. All whilst blocking LoS whilst your zoans, devilgants, fexes etc mopped up whatever they needed to do. It drew a volley fire from enemy to get rid of it which also helped. The worst of all is that many of us spent hours designing and creating one only to find it's now likely a waste of time.
But the inclusion of death leaper as a HQ choice could present a new deep striking options into the game for some units that previously used the spore pod. If it's been made a HQ choice I can imagine the intention is to actually try and provide different styles of gameplay. All being completely speculation but the stealthy, mindgames of lictors and genestealers appearing on the battlefield would provide a solution to draw away from the "monobuild" everyone is talking about. Particularly if they come with rules that shift the FOC somewhat, (like a Slaanesh lord making noise marines troops.) to change the way you build a list based around who is leading it. That would be incredible. Probably just wishful thinking.
Double flyrant double tervigon is getting old. I sure hope we don't end up double flyrant, double tervigon, triple crone/harpy.
I recently acquired an old metal death leaper and I am glad I did. I hope it proves useful, and even if not entirely competetive, atleast interesting to play.
The only thing we can do is wait for the codex and pray the new rules diversify the tyranids into the army they should be. A swarm with loads of different viable options.
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Looking at the pre-orders on GW website, there isn't any chance of getting anything early or even on time for this release. Unless you want to pay £11/14 shipping charges for a chance that includes Saturday delivery.
My local said on FB that they could possibly reserve me a codex if i can't make it in to order.
Darksphere mailed out saying their preorders will be mailed out on the 10th, if you take the next day delivery it should be there on the day. With that postage it works out at RRP (for a single codex).
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Looking at the pre-orders on GW website, there isn't any chance of getting anything early or even on time for this release. Unless you want to pay £11/14 shipping charges for a chance that includes Saturday delivery.
My local said on FB that they could possibly reserve me a codex if i can't make it in to order.
Darksphere mailed out saying their preorders will be mailed out on the 10th, if you take the next day delivery it should be there on the day. With that postage it works out at RRP (for a single codex).
You do realise you can buy and get it shipped to your local store for free from the gw website?
That's true. Other wise, the Sisters of Battles, that GW has online is a fake as well. I still remember all the "FAKE" posts people were thumping their chests calling it, because the SoB was reusing existing artwork.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Looking at the pre-orders on GW website, there isn't any chance of getting anything early or even on time for this release. Unless you want to pay £11/14 shipping charges for a chance that includes Saturday delivery.
My local said on FB that they could possibly reserve me a codex if i can't make it in to order.
Darksphere mailed out saying their preorders will be mailed out on the 10th, if you take the next day delivery it should be there on the day. With that postage it works out at RRP (for a single codex).
You do realise you can buy and get it shipped to your local store for free from the gw website?
Looking at the pre-orders on GW website, there isn't any chance of getting anything early or even on time for this release. Unless you want to pay £11/14 shipping charges for a chance that includes Saturday delivery.
My local said on FB that they could possibly reserve me a codex if i can't make it in to order.
Darksphere mailed out saying their preorders will be mailed out on the 10th, if you take the next day delivery it should be there on the day. With that postage it works out at RRP (for a single codex).
You do realise you can buy and get it shipped to your local store for free from the gw website?
Who wants to go to their GW store when shipping is free over $70? Why waste gas and time when it can be delivered to your door?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Probably because GW doesn't send out the shipment of codices until the following monday. So its not even in the mail by the time you could walk into a store and pick it up. The copies they give to other companies don't have that issue, just their direct orders.
So sure you can order from GW and get your codex a week late. Or you can order it from somewhere else and possibly get it early. Or to guarantee you get it on the day it comes out just walk into a LGS
When in doubt burn it, then burn yourself for doubting.
Im considering some armies to build but I am waiting for the codex to come out. God knows what crazy combo we could make so I am holding on buying any models.
Would you guys invest in a full carnifex army if OOE opened Fex's as troop choice ?
Would you make an all air army if flyrants opened gargs as troops?
Or would you rather make a swarmy list with so many models it is barely conceiveable to wipe out the army completely?
I think all of the above could be viable but we wont know until the codex is out. Sucks that we lost the option to "drop pod" though.
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