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Bio artifacts and psychic powers posted on warseer. On my phone or I'd link them here.

My analysis;

Psychic powers;

Primaris is crap....utterly.
1. Catalyst = better than ever, although the 12" range kinda bothers me.
2. The Horror. Pinning, in a game where half of the units in it are immune to pinning. The text is a bit shiny, so I cannot tell if there is a modifier to their leadership. Overall, not amazing at best, awful at worst.
3. Onslaught. Run and shoot....meh. Not awful, but not something I'd be looking for.
4. Paroxysm. Only -D3 now instead of reducing to 1. At least they doubled the range though. Passable, since it makes WS3 gaunts a lot scarier in melee.
5. Psychic scream...if only we still had mysetic spore to actually get into range to use this....
6. Warp blast. Nerfed the AP1 on the lance? Also, warp charge 2, so only for tyrants, Zoanthropes and swarmlord AFAIK. Passable....I suppose. Might be cool for a winged tyrant with a S10 AP2 weapon....although, BS3 all around = :(

Biomorphs;

Maw-Claws; Rending, AP5, and get preferred enemy after killing something. Broodlord upgrade probably? Maybe solid for a prime leading some melee warriors. Depends on cost really, anything more than 15-20 and it's useless.
Norn-Crown (really? Naming fail); +6" to synapse.....fail.
Miasma Cannon: So, a 36" range, 2+ poison small blast.....with AP4, or a 2+ poison AP4 flamer? MAYBE useful on a winged tyrant? That flamer could cause some damage against some fire warriors....I guess?
Ymgarl Factor: +1S, or +1A or +1 to your armor save, cannot use the same twice.....actually solid IMO. Going to be awesome on pretty much anything, depending on cost I suppose.
Reaper of Obliterax: +1S bonesword that gives +3 initiative......MEH. Main problem is that the things that have good initiative don't really need anymore (primes and tyrants are already I5) and the Tervigon, other than looking stupid with a sword, would still only be I4 or 5, and doesn't have access to grenades AFAIK......so lets call this one situational for now.

Hit refresh I think I fixed it

Thanks Tetris!

These rules make me very sad. The psychic powers are very hit or miss, and the primares power wont be useful to experienced tyranid players. Still hoping for access to the BRB powers. A few of the special equipment pieces seem useful, but again very hit or miss is usefulness.

These all seem to be at about the right power level...considering what they can go on.

Via Lokust on warseer:

New Regeneration is like It Will Not Die, but on a 4+ instead of a 5+.

Adrenal glands confirmed fleet + furious charge

flesh hooks and spine banks both work like assault grenades and also have a very short range shooting attack.

Confirm by searching the tyranid rumour thread on 4chan.org/tg if you like... source is a scanned page

There are too many synapse increasing abilities. Not that useful unless synapse has been seriously overhauled.

Never thought I'd see the day where I thought toxic miasma was so disgustingly good.

Never mind me, misread part of it, I like it all though...very niche.

Synapse might extend shadows??

Biomorph page -

4+ IWND? Wow, Suddenly the 30 pt cost doesn't seem that bad...

As if Tyranid special characters weren't bad enough, now they've got Tyranid artifacts.

That change to blinding venom bodes very poorly for gargoyles.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
That change to blinding venom bodes very poorly for gargoyles.

If they follow the trend and drop to 5 points per model, it's not terrible.

Remember, only 1 blind attack needs to hit to drop a unit to WS/BS 1

Hm... Psychic powers, nope. Catalyst is good, Dominion is meh (unless Shadows goes with Synapse), Paroxysm is ok not great, the others aren't great. Warp Blast useful, but Onslaught is insulting that it is the same. Here, have a rule for one unit that Eldar get free. But pass a test first, and waste one Warp Charge on it too.

The Artifacts are very... tricky. Its hard to say, but there's less than I'd hoped. Plus, points matters. The poison gun had better be cheap. The Boneswords initiative thing is cool, and prferred enemy from the claws is nice. Norn Crown feels wasted, and Ymgarl is only in CC... sigh. Also this confirms my beloved Ymgarl stealers are no more... +1 Armor save is CC could be cool, I just otherwise don't see this mattering, and it's too inconsistent at that.

Really can't decide if I want to drop $100 on the limited edition codex... I have the Tau limited edition, but rarely use it seeing as how I use the iPad one more. I don't want to miss out on it though! Ugh!

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
That change to blinding venom bodes very poorly for gargoyles.

But, have a few gargs use the venom to blind a unit while the rest attack... you only lose a little CC power to potentially cripple them next turn for an MC charge. I actually don't see this as a nerf.

Unique items? Why couldn't they have just said "these items are exceptionally rare, appearing on one or two creatures in an entire war zone".

Overall they're pretty lousy upgrades. If the Ygmarl one can be taken by anyone, then it'll go on a Hive Tyrant. And the Synapse one might get taken as well. Primaris power is junk.

WELL. . . so a Trygon gets what 5 Attacks, an additional attack due to 2 CC sets of bio-wepons, AND a tail attack. . . hmmmmm not to bad. . .

Onslaught actually used to be true "battle focus" now you must run first

I like the reintroduction of Tail weapons. The things on the end of the Trygon now mean something.

Of course I don't like how they don't get the creatures general rules (like Smash). That's just silly. Why would a Carnifex's mace tail suddenly bounce off of Flak Armour?

Hrmz...

I like the upgraded bonesword for a price
Regeneration seems really good and priced decently
Adrenal glands are good
Catalyst good
I like the increased range of some of the powers is very good

I think the phsycic power on the Broodlord is better, pin a unit so they can only snap fire at you. The LD modified would want to be a -2 at least though.. hopefully -4

bodazoka wrote:
Hrmz...

I like the upgraded bonesword for a price
Regeneration seems really good and priced decently
Adrenal glands are good
Catalyst good
I like the increased range of some of the powers is very good

I think the phsycic power on the Broodlord is better, pin a unit so they can only snap fire at you. The LD modified would want to be a -2 at least though.. hopefully -4

The poster on BOLS who took the photo clarified that it's a -2 modifier. Pinning a backfield unit that was manning the quad gun before crones and flyrants swoop in could be quite good. Assaulting them with no initiative penalty would be good too.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I like the reintroduction of Tail weapons. The things on the end of the Trygon now mean something.

Of course I don't like how they don't get the creatures general rules (like Smash). That's just silly. Why would a Carnifex's mace tail suddenly bounce off of Flak Armour?

It knocks the guardsman into a soft pillow,..

It's always these little nonsensical things that piss me off about the Codices GW writes.

Mace tail is back? YAY!
It has no AP... and doesn't benefit from the rules of the big creature? WHY?

Those artifacts better be really cheap.

So wait...the incredibly unique ARTIFACT....give a AP4 flamer
AP4?

The psychic scream is incredibly iffy....nova is at least nice in that it hits enemy units in CC, but 6" is really dangerous.
also, with its value...on average it will kill 1 marine?

honestly, a lot of these things look like they are going to be deadly to armies with poor initiative (tau and necrons) and bad armor saves (tau firewarriors, guard, and necron warriors). But against marines...not so much.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's always these little nonsensical things that piss me off about the Codices GW writes.

Mace tail is back? YAY!
It has no AP... and doesn't benefit from the rules of the big creature? WHY?

Mace Tail could be cool actually. It's an extra hit that can ID plenty of characters and can hit vehicles for one last hull point.

I've started to read this thread from end toward beginning because it... Ah, looks a lot more fun.

So hormies? I'm itching to pick up about 40. Should I? Or should I leave em in the box they were sent in and continue with their shooty siblings? --- Based off of rumors of course.

No AP. No character worth ID'ing's gonna fail their (inevitable) 2+ save.

Overall this is becoming more and more disappointing...I know I should wait for the release but I just get the feeling that I will not be buying the newest codex for my favorite army and just...I don't know.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Reading the past few pages of this thread reminds me of IMDB's sub-communities for movies that bomb.

Stage 1: Initial announcement of product. Be jaded.

Stage 2: Details begin to trickle in. Get cautiously optimistic.

Stage 3: Details start flowing. Red-flags show up for those still jaded, the optimistic go into wise-man mode and lash out against the jaded for making assumptions without knowing all the details.

Stage 4: A final bombshell of information is released, for movies this is the various trailers. All gak hits the fan. Many of the optimistic give in to their grief but the most stalwart insist that we still don't know all the details yet. Maybe the trailer was just bad. The marketing team is bad. The film could still be good! The jaded are bitterly laughing their asses off.

Stage 5. Community embraces the horror. The blame-game begins for the crestfallen, while the most stalwart, those who simply refuse to be phased, spend months insisting that the movie wasn't that bad; defending its flaws and attacking other members of the community (for 40K, this will be the group of people who insist for months that the community needs more time to judge the codex after its release. "We don't know all the best builds yet! Give it some time! There's still strong combos that we might have missed! Dataslates and expansion!" Just because there's no 2++ invuln cheese doesn't mean its bad!)

We're at stage 4 ITT.

We slip inevitably closer to stage 5.

Anyway, my heart is torn. On the one hand, I totally empathize with the complaints about things like AP4 and other weak AP attacks that we're seeing here. But on the other hand, Space Marines really need a break this edition. There are far too many 3+ save ignoring attacks in this meta as is.