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So i've seen an older thread on this but it was mostly a disorganized mess of angry people. Hopefully including a poll here will organize the dakkadakka community's thoughts on the primarchs.

If the primarchs were to fight each other one on one, at full strength, who would be the strongest duelist? I really durped here and forgot that Horus is almost the definitive answer, so I edited this to ask who the next strongest is, in everyone's opinion. That edit was made after only 4 votes, so consider the poll you see to be fairly accurate, only 2 votes had been put into Horus.

Who is Horus's Queen? (ew)

 changerofways wrote:
So i've seen an older thread on this but it was mostly a disorganized mess of angry people.

If the primarchs were to fight each other one on one, at full strength, who would be the strongest duelist?

obviously primarchs like the alpha legions' would not do well here because their strengths are other places than fighting, like tactics, but this is all about physical and magical strength and endurance.

Who is the king?

This will happen again. Just warning you.

actually question. When are we talking? During the Horus Heresy a lot happens. Lorgar goes from probably the worst to being an alpha to alpha plus level psyker that goes all martial, Horus gets buffed by all the gods, Angron I think becomes a prince by the end, etc etc etec.

 StarTrotter wrote:
actually question. When are we talking? During the Horus Heresy a lot happens. Lorgar goes from probably the worst to being an alpha to alpha plus level psyker that goes all martial, Horus gets buffed by all the gods, Angron I think becomes a prince by the end, etc etc etec.

As I said in the OP, at each primarchs strongest point in time.

 changerofways wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
actually question. When are we talking? During the Horus Heresy a lot happens. Lorgar goes from probably the worst to being an alpha to alpha plus level psyker that goes all martial, Horus gets buffed by all the gods, Angron I think becomes a prince by the end, etc etc etec.

As I said in the OP, at each primarchs strongest point in time.

Agh the levels of derp I had for shame. I said Magnus but change that to Horus. Dude was far too amped up.

Ferrus Manus killed a C'tan.

 j31c3n wrote:
Ferrus Manus killed a C'tan.

But was he not killed by Fulgrim in a fair fight at a strong point in both their lives?

Horus isn't even close to the strongest Primarch. He was the Emperor's favorite, but only gained strength after being made the partial avatar of all four gods of Chaos. Even then, Magnus would probably walk all over him.

It seems Magnus the Red is the winner so far. This is interesting because hes also the largest primarch at about 20 feet tall, according to another thread thats popular right now. Good old 40K, the larger they are, the more dangerous, nice and simple

I said vulkan, but just because the Tech-fu was strong with that one, and i like to picture one of his 2 remaining lost artifacts as a face-melting feth-your-face-u-lator.

didn't Horus say Sangunius was the most noble and should of been warmaster

I vote for one of the Daemon Primarchs, they're basically Primarchs+. Fulgrim owned Rowboat Girlyman, for instance.

LightKing wrote:
didn't Horus say Sangunius was the most noble and should of been warmaster

Noble doesn't equal power. Magnus is hands-down the strongest- with only Russ (although IIRC, he still beat the snot out of him) and Chaos-buffed Horus being threats. Sure, all the other Primarchs are good, it's just Magnus is a mini GEOM.

 SarisKhan wrote:
I vote for one of the Daemon Primarchs, they're basically Primarchs+. Fulgrim owned Rowboat Girlyman, for instance.

Yes, Primarchs who have been elevated to daemonhood are usually in some form, even more powerful than their loyalist counterpart.
Though remember the status of deamonhood is a double edged sword. You can’t just have the benefits of being a daemon without also having its downsides.


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 Wyzilla wrote:

LightKing wrote:
didn't Horus say Sangunius was the most noble and should of been warmaster

Noble doesn't equal power. Magnus is hands-down the strongest- with only Russ (although IIRC, he still beat the snot out of him) and Chaos-buffed Horus being threats. Sure, all the other Primarchs are good, it's just Magnus is a mini GEOM.

The only thing we can say for certain about Magnus with regards to his power level is, that he never really lives up to his reputation. His fluff is just too inconsistent for us to have any clear picture of his power.

 Redcruisair wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:
I vote for one of the Daemon Primarchs, they're basically Primarchs+. Fulgrim owned Rowboat Girlyman, for instance.

Yes, Primarchs who have been elevated to daemonhood are usually in some form, even more powerful than their loyalist counterpart.
Though remember the status of deamonhood is a double edged sword. You can’t just have the benefits of being a daemon without also having its downsides.

I agree. For instance, they're bound to sit in the Warp unless their cults conduct massive rituals and sacrifices, like during Angron's campaign.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:
I vote for one of the Daemon Primarchs, they're basically Primarchs+. Fulgrim owned Rowboat Girlyman, for instance.

Yes, Primarchs who have been elevated to daemonhood are usually in some form, even more powerful than their loyalist counterpart.
Though remember the status of deamonhood is a double edged sword. You can’t just have the benefits of being a daemon without also having its downsides.

I agree. For instance, they're bound to sit in the Warp unless their cults conduct massive rituals and sacrifices, like during Angron's campaign.

Exactly! Hell, it is also problematic and highly indignifying for a daemon if you just so happen to know it’s true name.
Unfortunately for the traitor Primarchs, their respective names are rather well-known in the Inquisitorial community.

 Redcruisair wrote:
Exactly! Hell, it is also problematic and highly indignifying for a daemon if you just so happen to know it’s true name.
Unfortunately for the traitor Primarchs, their respective names are rather well-known in the Inquisitorial community.

I think I read somewhere that you obtain a "new name" once you ascend to Daemonhood, so that those who used to know you as a human can't use the original one to mess you up. I'm not entirely sure about this, though.

 changerofways wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:
Ferrus Manus killed a C'tan.

But was he not killed by Fulgrim in a fair fight at a strong point in both their lives?

He was blinded by his rage, it was hardly a"fair fight."

Now I think I remember reading something but I actually thing that the most 'Physically' strong was either Vulcan, Ferrus or Magnus...but I'm inclined to say Vulcan...Nocturne's gravity makes extraordinarily naturally strong people so Vulcan already strong Nature with him being a Primarch would have been enhanced anyway...

Clearly Alpharius/Omegon

He's got the strength of two Primarchs!

 Zweischneid wrote:
Clearly Alpharius/Omegon

He's got the strength of two Primarchs!

Although they were very small and could pass as normal Marines. Magnus was considered a giant even compared to the other Primarchs

My vote is for either Angron, Sanguinius, and Magnus. I don't think there's enough additional material to draw a total conclusion after them.

Angron has beaten even Russ in fair combat, (Read: Betrayer) has the strength to counteract the downwards force of a Titan foot crushing him, and is basically regarded as a Gladiator-Warrior and nothing else. He's a mean, angry thing.

Sanguinius is certainly strong having been able to stand up to Horus for a time, and his Wings also help I guess, but I can't say more than that having detested reading Fear to Tread.

Magnus, being a great psyker has variable and unmeasurable levels of strength when pitted against each Primarch so he probably doesn't have a clear position, but he sounds like he'd give most of them a run for their money. In particular he has an advantage against Angron because the nails would probably go mental with him close by.

 Orblivion wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
So i've seen an older thread on this but it was mostly a disorganized mess of angry people.

This will happen again. Just warning you.

Seriously.

It isn't like this place is the bastion of reason and intelligent discussion. You pose something subjective, and it's going to go bad on Dakka every time.


Edit: Just saw the primarch pet names. And you wanted to have an organized, rational discussion? Ooookay.

Very hard to measure fluff considering how much is apocryphal or "embellished", but Greater Daemons>Daemon Prince, and if Sanguinius broke Ka'Bandha over his knee then presumably he could've dome some work on a Daemon Prince. Of course Daemon Primarchs are almost certainly not your average Daemon Prince.

Horus did regard Sanguinius however to be the greatest of the Primarchs besides himself, as noted above.

Magnus, in pure power

Angron and Sanguinus are the only two primarchs who everybody agrees could have taken Horus in a duel.

Magnus psyker abiliteis vastly outstrip those of Horus though.

godking wrote:
Angron and Sanguinus are the only two primarchs who everybody agrees could have taken Horus in a duel.

Magnus psyker abiliteis vastly outstrip those of Horus though.

is their a consensus that if the Heresy never happened....would Magnus of surpassed the Emperor in psychic ability.. if he didn't let Horus get to him.....

i always find it odd, that the Emperor's favorite was Horus, but he wanted Magnus to sit on the golden throne after him

LightKing wrote:

godking wrote:
Angron and Sanguinus are the only two primarchs who everybody agrees could have taken Horus in a duel.

Magnus psyker abiliteis vastly outstrip those of Horus though.

is their a consensus that if the Heresy never happened....would Magnus of surpassed the Emperor in psychic ability.. if he didn't let Horus get to him.....

i always find it odd, that the Emperor's favorite was Horus, but he wanted Magnus to sit on the golden throne after him

Magnus has the psychic ability to sit on the Golden throne and live Horus does not.

Next to the emperor Magnus was the strongest psyker in the imperium.

Whichever one donned his plot armor that morning.

Alpharius. He is everyone, anyways.