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It is both ridiculous AND pointless to give your Dark Apostle the VotLW upgrade, even tho it is free.

Flamespurt Cannon: Stock wargear on a pyrovore.

The Baleflamer upgrade for the Heldrake is ever so slightly OP.

Blakman wrote:
It is both ridiculous AND pointless to give your Dark Apostle the VotLW upgrade, even tho it is free.

Why on earth did Phil Kelley think that we would not want a free bonus against SM enemies?

I have to go with the MoT.

It is utterly senseless to put it on a psyker. Sure you get a +1 Inv save, but it makes the first mastery level useless...
Which makes no sense logically or fluff-wise.

And then there's the option to give the MoT to cultist units for +1 ppm.
It gives them a 6++ save, when they have a 6+. Whoop-dee-fething-doo. If I wanted survivable cannon fodder, I'd take Typhus and make them all zombies for free.

And then the MoT on a CSM unit. Why would you take that? For the 6++? To unlock the Icon that gives you soul blaze? Eh?

This is madness!

Plasma pistols. Enough said.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Plasma pistols. Enough said.

Hey now, for the soul purpose of getting to use the "Gunslinger" rule, I love plasma pistols.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Plasma pistols. Enough said.

I like plasma pistols - I've killed light vehicles several times with those.

And then could still charge the disembarked unit.

At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

I call your assessment...FAIR.

 ductvader wrote:

I call your assessment...FAIR.

It's just ... so... unheard of...

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

Guard get them for 10ppm

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

Guard get them for 10ppm

Tbf, the IG only hit on a 4+.

That mobile torture device from the DA was pretty pointless, IIRC.

 Selym wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

Guard get them for 10ppm

Tbf, the IG only hit on a 4+.

And cook themselves on a more regular basis.

 Selym wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

Guard get them for 10ppm

Tbf, the IG only hit on a 4+.

Tell that to my vet sergeant

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

Guard get them for 10ppm

Tbf, the IG only hit on a 4+.

Tell that to my vet sergeant

You, sir, are still cannon fodder!

 welshhoppo wrote:
The Baleflamer upgrade for the Heldrake is ever so slightly OP.

Its not the weapon that is OP, its the ability of the Drake to Vector strike a transport open, and then use his long neck (360* turret weapon) to scorch the unit that came out of the wrecks.

Like many with who i talked about it, they all agree that the Heldrake shouldn't be a 360* AoF, but rather something like 180*.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
The Baleflamer upgrade for the Heldrake is ever so slightly OP.

Its not the weapon that is OP, its the ability of the Drake to Vector strike a transport open, and then use his long neck (360* turret weapon) to scorch the unit that came out of the wrecks.

Like many with who i talked about it, they all agree that the Heldrake shouldn't be a 360* AoF, but rather something like 180*.

If we can have a better codex, you can limit us to a 180* AoF

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

I'd narrow this down to plasma pistols on Chaos Space Marines.

15 points - or I can have a meltagun for 10 points.

In what world is the plasma pistol ever worthwhile?

 Hedgehog wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
At 15 pts each they are far over priced. Normally in 6th its not even a good idea to shoot before you charge due to the increased charge distance.

This deserves to be here imo, even if you can make cool gunslinger pointsinks with them.

I'd narrow this down to plasma pistols on Chaos Space Marines.

15 points - or I can have a meltagun for 10 points.

In what world is the plasma pistol ever worthwhile?

5E SM Captains?

Probably the worst I've found is the stormshield for henchmen squads. Costs 20 searchlights for a stormshield and 4 more searchlights for the acolyte for a total cost of 24 searchlights.

You may think thats not all that bad for a 3++, until you look at the crusaders on the same page for only 15 searchlights. I guess you could make an equivalent by giving the acolyte a power weapon as well.... for an extra 15 searchlights (total 39 searchlights... but he would still only have WS 3 where the crusader has WS4.

So maybe not stupid wargear, but terrible for cost effectiveness.

For pointless... I'd go with the 'nemesis deamon hammer' stuck on a dreadknight. It looks cool, but the only thing you get with your 10 searchlight investment is the concussive special rule.

That, and the 10 searchlight condemner boltgun. Not just because its 10 searchlights, but mostly because your wasting a spot for a real combi-weapon.

war wrote:
Probably the worst I've found is the stormshield for henchmen squads. Costs 20 searchlights for a stormshield and 4 more searchlights for the acolyte for a total cost of 24 searchlights.

You may think thats not all that bad for a 3++, until you look at the crusaders on the same page for only 15 searchlights. I guess you could make an equivalent by giving the acolyte a power weapon as well.... for an extra 15 searchlights (total 39 searchlights... but he would still only have WS 3 where the crusader has WS4.

So maybe not stupid wargear, but terrible for cost effectiveness.

For pointless... I'd go with the 'nemesis deamon hammer' stuck on a dreadknight. It looks cool, but the only thing you get with your 10 searchlight investment is the concussive special rule.

That, and the 10 searchlight condemner boltgun. Not just because its 10 searchlights, but mostly because your wasting a spot for a real combi-weapon.

What is "10 searchlights"?

a searchlight might be equivalent to a single unit of measure that can be used for costing wargear, units, and models in 40k

Man, it gets really difficult to say that something could cost 1 point, without spelling it out.

Aun'Va.
I'll take my two cheap Ethereals thanks.

war wrote:
Probably the worst I've found is the stormshield for henchmen squads. Costs 20 searchlights for a stormshield and 4 more searchlights for the acolyte for a total cost of 24 searchlights.

You may think thats not all that bad for a 3++, until you look at the crusaders on the same page for only 15 searchlights. I guess you could make an equivalent by giving the acolyte a power weapon as well.... for an extra 15 searchlights (total 39 searchlights... but he would still only have WS 3 where the crusader has WS4.

So maybe not stupid wargear, but terrible for cost effectiveness.

For pointless... I'd go with the 'nemesis deamon hammer' stuck on a dreadknight. It looks cool, but the only thing you get with your 10 searchlight investment is the concussive special rule.

That, and the 10 searchlight condemner boltgun. Not just because its 10 searchlights, but mostly because your wasting a spot for a real combi-weapon.

Haha love the use of 'searchlight'!

Termagant Stranglewebs (in their current incarnation). Such a shame, it's a really cool concept that could add a little spice to a common unit, but sadly it just isn't very well represented by the rules.

Icons on CSM Possessed: 3/5 of the Icons available are fundamentally pointless on Possessed: Soul Blaze is useless as you have no ranged weapons, you already have Fear due to being a Daemon, and Fearless is already included in your entry, and yet they still want people to pay 5pts for such "upgrades.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Icons on CSM Possessed: 3/5 of the Icons available are fundamentally pointless on Possessed: Soul Blaze is useless as you have no ranged weapons, you already have Fear due to being a Daemon, and Fearless is already included in your entry, and yet they still want people to pay 5pts for such "upgrades.

And we're just sitting there like "lul wut?"

I'm going for the Kustom Mega Blasta that comes with Wazdakka Gutsmek.

His bike comes with a Dakkacannon that is S8 AP4 Assault 4. The Kustom Mega Blasta is S8 AP2 Assault 1, with Get's Hot!

Considering Wazdakka can only fire one weapon, why would Wazdakka, with his incredible BS of 2 ever choose to fire the Kustom Mega Blasta instead of the Dakkacannon?

Godhammer landraider as a dedicated transport.

Yeah I said it.
250 points. one more time, 250 points. I am pretty sure I could total the whole first page of this thread together and it would still be cheaper than 250 points.

What is the deal with this tank, its huge, transports terminators into CC and has tank killing guns. If you think about it the Godhammer landraider is just confused.

Most terminators that want to be driven into the battle are gonna be assault terminators or they could just deep strike. if I am gonna drive them into my opponents face then I am not going to do it at a lazy pace. Making the guns a bit useless.

Ok I dropped off the payload of BAMF space marines. now I got 2 lascannons. yay how useless for 250 points. All the other versions of land raiders are better.