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**marielle**

paulson games wrote:
I had a small army from when Warmachine had just came out, after a few games I completely shelved it as I realized that I really hated the way the game played. (casterkill wee!!)

For a couple years my "friend" has had a complete hard on for the game and kept pushing me to retry it claiming 2.0 had fixed SOOO much of what was wrong with the game and that if I'd just give it a try I'd totally love it. (He's also the guy who smashed his ork boss in my earlier post) He's an overly aggressive player and brings a super refined hard core tourney list to friendly games which only compounded my dislike for the game. He's the stereo-type power gamer and rules monger who's so abrasive he causes other players to quit the game in droves, no matter what game he's actively playing. He's known to all the locals as "Oh Yeah that guy...."

We play and of course he beats the pants off of me, which I was expecting as I have massively outdated units from the beginning of 1st ed and barely know how to play. At first I'm pretty cool but as we're leaving the store he launches into a fanboy flurry Isn't the game better? isn't it great? isn't warmachine awesome? huh? huh? huh?(cue halo awesome reach style excitement) basically acting like he's going to nerdgasm he's so happy about the game.

I look at him and say "here's what I think... " I reach into my jacket pocket take out my destroyer warjack and fling it across the street as hard as I can (aiming for the nearby railroad tracks) I throw him as hard as I can but my aim is piss poor due to my back pack and the model hits the pavement about 8 ft away but has enough force that it skids across 3 lanes to the neighboring curb where it makes a nice spark and explodes into pieces. My friend is completely shocked and tries to shuffle across the street in order to recover the parts. Then I take my minis box out of my bag and dump the rest of my models in a trash can before getting into my car. He freaks out and starts trying to fish the models out of the trash can and I yell at him if he doesn't leave my stuff alone he's being left behind and will have to walk home (which was about 20 miles). He gets in the car and starts to get all huffy about the models when I cut him off and say; in case you somehow missed it.... F* warmachine!.

It was a very quiet ride home..

I like your style.

**ZebioLizard2**

marielle wrote:
paulson games wrote:
I had a small army from when Warmachine had just came out, after a few games I completely shelved it as I realized that I really hated the way the game played. (casterkill wee!!)

For a couple years my "friend" has had a complete hard on for the game and kept pushing me to retry it claiming 2.0 had fixed SOOO much of what was wrong with the game and that if I'd just give it a try I'd totally love it. (He's also the guy who smashed his ork boss in my earlier post) He's an overly aggressive player and brings a super refined hard core tourney list to friendly games which only compounded my dislike for the game. He's the stereo-type power gamer and rules monger who's so abrasive he causes other players to quit the game in droves, no matter what game he's actively playing. He's known to all the locals as "Oh Yeah that guy...."

We play and of course he beats the pants off of me, which I was expecting as I have massively outdated units from the beginning of 1st ed and barely know how to play. At first I'm pretty cool but as we're leaving the store he launches into a fanboy flurry Isn't the game better? isn't it great? isn't warmachine awesome? huh? huh? huh?(cue halo awesome reach style excitement) basically acting like he's going to nerdgasm he's so happy about the game.

I look at him and say "here's what I think... " I reach into my jacket pocket take out my destroyer warjack and fling it across the street as hard as I can (aiming for the nearby railroad tracks) I throw him as hard as I can but my aim is piss poor due to my back pack and the model hits the pavement about 8 ft away but has enough force that it skids across 3 lanes to the neighboring curb where it makes a nice spark and explodes into pieces. My friend is completely shocked and tries to shuffle across the street in order to recover the parts. Then I take my minis box out of my bag and dump the rest of my models in a trash can before getting into my car. He freaks out and starts trying to fish the models out of the trash can and I yell at him if he doesn't leave my stuff alone he's being left behind and will have to walk home (which was about 20 miles). He gets in the car and starts to get all huffy about the models when I cut him off and say; in case you somehow missed it.... F* warmachine!.

It was a very quiet ride home..

I like your style.

It seems pretty immature, even if the other guy is pretty immature as well.

**fishy bob**

I for one prefer ragers over fanboys. So I like his style too

**Asherian Command**

This one time I was playing with a group of people. And we were playing a card game called diplomacy.

And this one couple, literally made it their quest to win the game. I have never lost a game of diplomacy. Let me make that clear. So they start becoming really really competitive I mean, like cut throaters. So they start attacking each other with hexes and both them started losing all of their victory points, I mean all of their victory points and started trying to sabotage every other player in the game. I on the other hand had begun to build a suit able amount of resources and victory points, because I had moats and anti-hexes and I had developed good counter measures just incase that happened..

It came down to the final turn, and I Hexed everyone, because I could. And i won the game.

They went batgak insane. They called me a few really bad words and said that I cheated. They started yelling inconstineces and whatever, and I am just sitting there, wondering, Well they aren't coming back for another game next week.

I honestly didn't care, and it showed me that they are terrible gamers and they are not coming back to another game night. Ever again. So at the end of their yelling, I just said the following. "Who wants to watch a movie!"

I am one of the people who I may smile on the outside, but in the inside I plot my vengeance.

**Kavik_Whitescar**

this is a recant occcurance, I started playing a Pathfinder game with some friends and ran a wonky Paladin, just because this was an inexperinced group and it was fun. I ran an Atlantian Paladin with a ton of personal flaws (I didnt trust the white man), Basically a play on Native American witch doctor who was suddenly blessed and doesnt quite understand his abilities. Long story short, We ran into a creature that blinded one of the party members, and after the conflict I tried to help. (lay on hands in this game was as simple as touching another player) I proceeded to pin the player to the ground (with the help of the party, and making sure to note I never used my hands to touch them) and tried to cut their eye out, (witch doctor voodo stuff) The second I placed my hand on the players face to use the knife my Lay on hands ability activated curing her blindness, only for her to have her eye cut out.

She rage so hard, because her ranger was obsessed with beauty and looking good.....

I have a good DM....and one less friend :3

**Low_K**

Great stories in here

My brother has the tendancy to throw stuff if the game isn't going his way. Dice are the most common thing, but sometimes even miniatures get thrown around. It is rather enjoyable to watch although awkward at the same time.Other than that, he is a very relaxed person when the game is going smoothly.

Another story, not really rage related, is about my mate who lost terribly in a 5,000 points 40k battle of his Eldar against my Rebel Grots (who count as Orks rule-wise). I had 2 Stompa's and he fielded a Titan and a Cobra Super Heavy tank (I believe it is called). He made two mistakes which cost him the game; He moved his Titan when he should have stayed put (4 weapon destroyed and 2 wounds made it a very expensive statue in turn 3), and his Cobra didn't see any action (well it saw action, but didn't participate in it) while it was very swiftly destroyed. He actually sold the Cobra not long after that battle (although he kept the Statue...I mean...Titan).

Good times

Kind regards,

Low

**paulson games**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
It seems pretty immature, even if the other guy is pretty immature as well.

I make no claims to my sainthood. It was completely immature but also a result of months of him pestering and jabbing me to play "THE BEST GAME EVAR!!!!!!" and drink his special kool-aide. The guy has no ability to dial things down when it comes to gaming. It's your first game with random junk that you just bought? He'll make sure to break out his most refined tourney level list because he's a gentleman like that and he loves to get that gamer cherry. Best part is when he has a complete one sided victory in his favor he'll walk back through the game turn by turn to tell you what he did wrong and how he could have tabled you 1-2 turns earlier like a mini Napoleon. Never once will he actually explain rules or the turn sequence to the new guy, new guy makes a mistake in their first game ever? Sorry no backsies! They should have read their rulesbook.

It was one of the few times that it actually got through to him that other gamers out there might not like Warmachine and would rather throw away their minis than play with him. We've since stopped talking at all as the only thing he ever talks about is? ..... Warmachine to the exclusion of everything else. The dude needs to get a life.

Back when I was 14 I had a really bad game of battletech where I kept blowing roll after roll, I couldn't find my dice bag so I couldn't switch out the dice. The same dice kept rolling insanely well for my brother but giving me the worst possible luck. I missed the better part of 20 shots in a row, I only hit twice during the whole game. After the game I was really pissed so I dragged out the bbq grill and burned the two traitor dice so they could never be used again.

.

**Skulleater**

A couple of years ago I played against this one dude and completely trashed his eldar army. He glowered for a moment. I just politely asked him if he wanted a rematch (I felt kinda bad, as I had used a somewhat cheesey list), and his response was to unzip his trousers and urinate all over our models!

He was promptly thrown out, but not until he had dumped a bucketload onto my army!

I redid the basing, but the smell still lingers to this day.

**Grimtuff**

paulson games wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
It seems pretty immature, even if the other guy is pretty immature as well.

I make no claims to my sainthood. It was completely immature but also a result of months of him pestering and jabbing me to play "THE BEST GAME EVAR!!!!!!" and drink his special kool-aide. The guy has no ability to dial things down when it comes to gaming. It's your first game with random junk that you just bought? He'll make sure to break out his most refined tourney level list because he's a gentleman like that and he loves to get that gamer cherry. Best part is when he has a complete one sided victory in his favor he'll walk back through the game turn by turn to tell you what he did wrong and how he could have tabled you 1-2 turns earlier like a mini Napoleon. Never once will he actually explain rules or the turn sequence to the new guy, new guy makes a mistake in their first game ever? Sorry no backsies! They should have read their rulesbook.
.

And how is any of the above the fault of Warmachine? All of the above is a asshat opponent; It does not matter what game you played against him. Also, no offence, but you seem utterly ignorant of how the game actually works (not least as a fair few of the Prime units you are so quick to condemn are actually still damn good) and the victory requirements. All of isn't "Hurr durr kill the casturr", there are scenarios in the Steamroller tournament packs (caster kill is still a victory condition, but not the only one) that involve securing zones on the board or capturing objectives for example.

Don't let an idiotic opponent colour your opinion of this game. After all what you did sounded childish and you've just cut off your nose to spite your face.

**monders**

Cor, Warmachine players really don't like people not liking Warmachine, do they?!

**fishy bob**

Yeah, I knew that knee jerk reaction was gonna come

**Grimtuff**

monders wrote:
Cor, Warmachine players really don't like people not liking Warmachine, do they?!

fishy bob wrote:
Yeah, I knew that knee jerk reaction was gonna come

Yes, that's exactly what I was implying....

Because throwing your toys out the pram (figuratively) and into the bin (literally!) are an appropriate reaction to an assclown of an opponent.

**Portugal Jones**

I've never even picked up the Warmachine rulebook, but how does anyone come down on the same side as the kid who threw a temper tantrum and broke his toys? That's really not condonable behavior, even before you're out of nappies.

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:

She rage so hard, because her ranger was obsessed with beauty and looking good.....

I have a good DM....and one less friend :3

No, she raged because that was a dumb feth awful thing to do. The fact you can't tell a good DM from a bad one is pretty telling. Here's a hint - in a game run by a good DM, you don't see one player F's character arbitrarily mutilate player B's character, just because Player F felt like being a dick.

You'll definitely be getting a mention the next time we do an 'awful gamers we''ve seen' thread, but I knew where this was heading as soon as you described the character - 'special' weird characters are one of the hallmarks of PNP game dumb fethers who ruin other players fun and justify it by whining, 'but that's what my character would do!'

**paulson games**

If I claim not to care much for soup do you suddenly feel the need to tell me where I'm misjudging it?

Cause that's what a lot of players do both for 40k and warmachine. I think mechanically there are some improvements that warmachine offers as a game but there are elements that I really dislike, caster kill being one, the bell curve distortion of boosted dice being another. It's not simply about caster kill but also from elements like swordmaster and the power of infantry vs warjacks. I was drawn to the game because it promoted the image of being a robot combat game, yet game play revolved around everything but that, it focused on the infantry and casters. There's a reason people were referring to it as infantry-machine for a long time. I actually played the game a fair amount when 1st ed released and after several months I determined that I didn't care for the system due to it's pitfalls, it wasn't a knee jerk reaction. How I disposed of my models was a hate filled impulse move to shut up an uber fanboy, but it wasn't due to the result of that one single game but rather a history of disliking the game. His intensity was simply a catalyst to act on a decision I'd made about the game a long time before that night.

But because my personal tastes don't fall in line with the kool-aide drinkers I'm obviously mis-informed.

And for the record I'm not much of a fan of 40k's piss poor mechanics, the rules outright stink but what keeps me engaged is the background and visuals, warmachine's visuals were enough to get me to try the game but weren't strong enough to keep my interests and I could never get into the background so it give me no motivation to keep playing a system I dislike. Also how many games does somebody need to play before deciding they dislike a game? 2, 3, 5, 10, 20, 1,000? I'd played around 20 or so games under 1st ed, if that's not enough to determine that I like or dislike the game I'm not sure what would qualify.

**the shrouded lord**

I like soup.

**paulson games**

the shrouded lord wrote:
I like soup.

I bet you do

**bossfearless**

I could tell a ton of hilarious stories about others, but the truth is that I was often that freaking guy, myself. I'm working on it :(

**Portugal Jones**

the shrouded lord wrote:
I like soup.

You monster.

**marielle**

paulson games wrote:
Back when I was 14 I had a really bad game of battletech where I kept blowing roll after roll, I couldn't find my dice bag so I couldn't switch out the dice. The same dice kept rolling insanely well for my brother but giving me the worst possible luck. I missed the better part of 20 shots in a row, I only hit twice during the whole game. After the game I was really pissed so I dragged out the bbq grill and burned the two traitor dice so they could never be used again..

That's just immature

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monders wrote:
Cor, Warmachine players really don't like people not liking Warmachine, do they?!

Justin Bieber fans are much the same way...

**kronk**

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
this is a recant occcurance, I started playing a Pathfinder game with some friends and ran a wonky Paladin, just because this was an inexperinced group and it was fun. I ran an Atlantian Paladin with a ton of personal flaws (I didnt trust the white man), Basically a play on Native American witch doctor who was suddenly blessed and doesnt quite understand his abilities. Long story short, We ran into a creature that blinded one of the party members, and after the conflict I tried to help. (lay on hands in this game was as simple as touching another player) I proceeded to pin the player to the ground (with the help of the party, and making sure to note I never used my hands to touch them) and tried to cut their eye out, (witch doctor voodo stuff) The second I placed my hand on the players face to use the knife my Lay on hands ability activated curing her blindness, only for her to have her eye cut out.

She rage so hard, because her ranger was obsessed with beauty and looking good.....

I have a good DM....and one less friend :3

1. That's a bad DM.
2. We'd have kicked you from our group.
3. You're a bad person and you should feel bad.
4. I have no interest in playing anything with you. 40k, pathfinder, monopoly, Uno, nothing.

**Vulcan**

A lot of people misunderstand the nature of roleplaying games - indeed, ALL games.

Games are, by their very nature, a CO-OPERATIVE entertainment. So doing things that make it not-fun for other people in the group is nothing more than being a jerk.

"But it's what my character would do" does not excuse it. Even evil people often have friends they'd rather die than betray.

So save those jerk tendencies for making your hardcore tournament lists... and then leave them at home when you go to actually play in the tournament.

That is all...

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

kronk wrote:
Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
this is a recant occcurance, I started playing a Pathfinder game with some friends and ran a wonky Paladin, just because this was an inexperinced group and it was fun. I ran an Atlantian Paladin with a ton of personal flaws (I didnt trust the white man), Basically a play on Native American witch doctor who was suddenly blessed and doesnt quite understand his abilities. Long story short, We ran into a creature that blinded one of the party members, and after the conflict I tried to help. (lay on hands in this game was as simple as touching another player) I proceeded to pin the player to the ground (with the help of the party, and making sure to note I never used my hands to touch them) and tried to cut their eye out, (witch doctor voodo stuff) The second I placed my hand on the players face to use the knife my Lay on hands ability activated curing her blindness, only for her to have her eye cut out.

She rage so hard, because her ranger was obsessed with beauty and looking good.....

I have a good DM....and one less friend :3

1. That's a bad DM.
2. We'd have kicked you from our group.
3. You're a bad person and you should feel bad.
4. I have no interest in playing anything with you. 40k, pathfinder, monopoly, Uno, nothing.

If a player acts like a jerk and hurts another player, wouldn't a good DM work it into the story, give the victim a chance to repair the damage and/or get revenge and teach the jerk a lesson?

e.g. The Ranger later meets a Sorcer who promises to magically heal her face in exchange for going on a quest and retrieving a magical relic?
And the Witch Doctor player triggers more traps than usual or gets cursed in some way.

**Wayniac**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
kronk wrote:
Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
this is a recant occcurance, I started playing a Pathfinder game with some friends and ran a wonky Paladin, just because this was an inexperinced group and it was fun. I ran an Atlantian Paladin with a ton of personal flaws (I didnt trust the white man), Basically a play on Native American witch doctor who was suddenly blessed and doesnt quite understand his abilities. Long story short, We ran into a creature that blinded one of the party members, and after the conflict I tried to help. (lay on hands in this game was as simple as touching another player) I proceeded to pin the player to the ground (with the help of the party, and making sure to note I never used my hands to touch them) and tried to cut their eye out, (witch doctor voodo stuff) The second I placed my hand on the players face to use the knife my Lay on hands ability activated curing her blindness, only for her to have her eye cut out.

She rage so hard, because her ranger was obsessed with beauty and looking good.....

I have a good DM....and one less friend :3

1. That's a bad DM.
2. We'd have kicked you from our group.
3. You're a bad person and you should feel bad.
4. I have no interest in playing anything with you. 40k, pathfinder, monopoly, Uno, nothing.

If a player acts like a jerk and hurts another player, wouldn't a good DM work it into the story, give the victim a chance to repair the damage and/or get revenge and teach the jerk a lesson?

e.g. The Ranger later meets a Sorcer who promises to magically heal her face in exchange for going on a quest and retrieving a magical relic?
And the Witch Doctor player triggers more traps than usual or gets cursed in some way.

No, a good DM wouldn't allow that kind of crap in the first place, and the group would boot that player out because they're trolling the group.

**Grimtuff**

WayneTheGame wrote:

No, a good DM wouldn't allow that kind of crap in the first place, and the group would boot that player out because they're trolling the group.

That, or just randomly murder their character. We had to do that to a guy in a 40k Dark Heresy campaign. He came down with a bout of getting jumped by a pack of randomly appearing Genestealers.

Well, it was on a Space Hulk, so was somewhat justified.

**Deadnight**

paulson games wrote:
I. I was drawn to the game because it promoted the image of being a robot combat game, yet game play revolved around everything but that, it focused on the infantry and casters.

to be fair, i view it as somewhat flawed to see it as a "robot combat game". jacks might be war machines, but they're not WARMACHINE. I dont want to derail the thread, but as a brief off topic, jacks are rare. Irusks 4th assault batallion has 20,000 infantry, and 80 jacks. a handful of jacks, with a solid backbone of infantry fits the world, im afraid. the second issue revolves around the premise of it being all about the robots. We both know another game where the apparent stars of the franchise (ie space marines) have half the codices, most of the fluff, and models dedicated to a force that in the background, comprises a tiny amount of it. I'd argue 40k suffers from the huge over emphasis on space marines. in the same way, warmachine would suffer with a huge over emphasis on jacks. One or two jacks, towering above a few dozen infantry? yeah, they stand out. they've got presense. one or two jacks, standing amongst a dozen other jacks? Lost in the crowd.....

But on topic, while i lament the death of your warjacks (big warmachine fan, im afraid) in your reaction to that "friend" of yours, im rather torn. I think that reaction of yours, though severely OTT in a way, is quite brilliant in other ways. No messing about, and it made a point, thats for sure!

thumbs up from me, all things considered!

**Portugal Jones**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

e.g. The Ranger later meets a Sorcer who promises to magically heal her face in exchange for going on a quest and retrieving a magical relic?
And the Witch Doctor player triggers more traps than usual or gets cursed in some way.

That'd require a lot more faith in the DM at knowing his ass from his elbow than I would've had at that point - remember, he'd just allowed the 'native american voodoo witchdoctor' to cut out another PC's eye, while the poster was making sure to act like as big of a dick as possible to ensure his character did not accidentally touch the other character and cure the blindness until right before her eye was carved out. 'Whacky cultural misunderstanding' would be be the guy slowly realizing that with his new powers, he could heal injuries or perform small miracles without needing ceremonial incense, fetishes, and drawings done in chicken blood - cutting out someone's eye to cure blindness is something a jerk makes up on the spot for his own amusement as he screws up someone else's character.

**BobtheInquisitor**

What kind of person even does that to another player('s character)? Isn't that NPCs are for?

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Portugal Jones wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

e.g. The Ranger later meets a Sorcer who promises to magically heal her face in exchange for going on a quest and retrieving a magical relic?
And the Witch Doctor player triggers more traps than usual or gets cursed in some way.

That'd require a lot more faith in the DM at knowing his ass from his elbow than I would've had at that point - remember, he'd just allowed the 'native american voodoo witchdoctor' to cut out another PC's eye, while the poster was making sure to act like as big of a dick as possible to ensure his character did not accidentally touch the other character and cure the blindness until right before her eye was carved out. 'Whacky cultural misunderstanding' would be be the guy slowly realizing that with his new powers, he could heal injuries or perform small miracles without needing ceremonial incense, fetishes, and drawings done in chicken blood - cutting out someone's eye to cure blindness is something a jerk makes up on the spot for his own amusement as he screws up someone else's character.

Ah. Well I'm not an RPG player myself (though I've been listening/watching the WOTC podcasts and Live Pax games), I just wondered if the situation could be salvaged within the Storyline, in character.

**paulson games**

Deadnight wrote:
paulson games wrote:
I. I was drawn to the game because it promoted the image of being a robot combat game, yet game play revolved around everything but that, it focused on the infantry and casters.

to be fair, i view it as somewhat flawed to see it as a "robot combat game". jacks might be war machines, but they're not WARMACHINE. I dont want to derail the thread, but as a brief off topic, jacks are rare. Irusks 4th assault batallion has 20,000 infantry, and 80 jacks. a handful of jacks, with a solid backbone of infantry fits the world, im afraid. the second issue revolves around the premise of it being all about the robots. We both know another game where the apparent stars of the franchise (ie space marines) have half the codices, most of the fluff, and models dedicated to a force that in the background, comprises a tiny amount of it. I'd argue 40k suffers from the huge over emphasis on space marines. in the same way, warmachine would suffer with a huge over emphasis on jacks. One or two jacks, towering above a few dozen infantry? yeah, they stand out. they've got presense. one or two jacks, standing amongst a dozen other jacks? Lost in the crowd.....

But on topic, while i lament the death of your warjacks (big warmachine fan, im afraid) in your reaction to that "friend" of yours, im rather torn. I think that reaction of yours, though severely OTT in a way, is quite brilliant in other ways. No messing about, and it made a point, thats for sure! thumbs up from me, all things considered!

I agree that having too many jacks would take the game too far in the wrong direction. However they are an integral part of the game but for a significant portion of time events were being dominated by lists that didn't have a single jack or if they had one it was primarily so they could bounce spells. The balance favored infantry so badly that with second ed they had to make the first jack free simply so people would include them in their forces. Hordes I think has a superior system with how they make the beasts a lynchpin of the game, jacks don't have quite the same requirements and IMO their mechanics feel more like a stapled on item rather than being a centerpiece of the army. The art and book covers always showcases the jacks and beasts as the crown jewel of the forces, but in game play it's the caster that defines everything and the jacks take back stage. (boosting creates huge swings in the bell curve and I also really disliked the disparity level between feats)

I have mixed feelings about the reaction, in some ways it was very satisfying in an immediate sense but it's also not a moment I'm overly proud of. I let my cool go and I shouldn't have let myself be pestered into that game in the first place, I was originally trying to be polite and agreed to game when I just should have continued saying no. The only upside is after that he didn't bug me to play ever again as it finally registered how much I disliked the game and with no models it's not like I could game anyways. What was still at home and didn't get thrown out later got ebayed.

**Bookwrack**

Sure, but that'd mean trusting both the GM and the donkey-cave witch doctor player not to decide to have some fun mutilating the character even more, or something else that makes you ask, "why am I still playing with these creeps?"

It's like the first time you ever played Warhammer, a guy said he'd play a 2,000 point 'teaching game' with you, barely explains anything, stomps you into the ground, makes fun of how much you suck at the game, and then offers to teach you to play 40K too. You really feel like giving him a chance?