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The consistancy on those rhinos is impressive.

I know you normaly roll out on bikes, but in theory the rhinos should belong either to a squad, or part of the generic chapter motor pool. It might just be my codex complient battle company showing, but I see eight rhinos with a tactical arrow. With the standard 6/2/2 squad split for tac/dev/assault, I'd expect to see diferent makrings. Or if loaners from the armory, no squad marks.

Just a random heraldic nit-pic, not to detract from the paintjob you did.

Thanks man,

Lvl 2 libbys are the way forward. Not sure how they'll stack in 7th but I love mine in 6th. If assault gets good then I'll maybe field my AM's. Plus if you can assault from deepstrike they will be worthy of a place for sure...

Just seen your post Nev. Didn't know that about rhinos. May clear off some of the markings. Or all of them actually? I heed to lookup more info.

How do you find lvl 2 libbys? I'm interested in your perspective. Powers, roles, equipment? IMO, they look mediocre at best on paper. Never got around to trying them out.

You dont need to clear off all the markings. If you're going to go down the correct herraldry route, then 6 of them are fine with arrows. You just need assault squad markings and devastator markings. If you have the old Codex, page 125/125 has a nice line up of a whole battle company. You can see the devastator unit's rhino markings (it's a single stripe).

Yeah, was looking at that last night. I have 2 dev squads so may alter it for them

I take my libby on a bike and also give him the the shield eternal so he gets a 3++ save, adamantium will and eternal warrior.

I run him with telepathy and will generally use phycic shriek. If I scout and then move 12, I am normally in range of either a low ld unit to cause break or strip a few wounds off a MC or hq.

Some of the other powers are ok, particularly puppet master and hallucination. Pm is great if your opponent has something with a lot of firepower like a knight or riptide and hallucination is amazing (2warp points) if you roll anything other than a 1 or 2. I once had a farsight bomb from 'the 8' who couldn't shoot or strike blows in combat. I tore them to bits.

If I only use 1 power then I can still have my force sword active in CC and although needing 6's with MC's its funny when one dies.The 3++ helps as he is only initiative 4.

Nice Rhinos, I'm still amazed at how fast and clean you get your white.

Since we're discussing libbies, I have to say my favourite trick for a Lvl-2 is when putting him in a drop pod. As you can't use a blessing or malediction from reserve, as it happens 'at the start of the turn', having Psychic Shriek or Fiery Breath to unleash on the drop is always nice. The short range is mitigated by the delivery mechanism.

There's also the bonus of Force Sword+power.

Cheers para. Yeah I in effect get to be 36 inches across the board so have the same result as drop pod. It really messes people up. Hahaha. Particularly when you roll a nice high 14-18 against a HQ or MC

Hey, Maniak, I thought I'd kill some time reading the first post in the new 7th ed. rumor thread. It says that Jink is no longer always 'on'. You have to declair it at the start of movement and it limits you to snap shots for the duration of the phase. Albeit it is only a rumor, if this is true, it's going to have a MASSIVE effect on our armies...
I was a little upset when I read it :(

 Zambro wrote:
Hey, Maniak, I thought I'd kill some time reading the first post in the new 7th ed. rumor thread. It says that Jink is no longer always 'on'. You have to declair it at the start of movement and it limits you to snap shots for the duration of the phase. Albeit it is only a rumor, if this is true, it's going to have a MASSIVE effect on our armies...
I was a little upset when I read it :(

I’m not sure of the source of that rumor. IIRC it’s not from one of the highly reliable sources. Add a lot of salt.

Things will change with 7th, but let’s not worry much until we have the book in our hands. No need to borrow trouble.

I'm definately holding out with this rumor. It is a rumor, after all. But usually, as we get closer to the release date, rumors start to become more accurate.

Have you seen that new summon daemons psychic stuff? Sounds like a laugh for a daemon player, but everyone being able to use it..? Not too sure on that

Yeah, read about drmon stuff. Seen nect weeks WD and it's all in there. There are 2 demonology powers and I reckon onoy certain people will be able to take them same as eldar with fate and battle.

As for the jink, I highly doubt it. I had heard that it will be 'on' from the begining of the game sonit flasses deployment as moving.....

Only 2 weeks to wait. Ordering mine on Sat morning and looking forward to a change.

Sooooo, annoying as it is GW have said they wont accept my list even tho they understand that it is diwn to interpretation of yhe combat squad AND they have allowed it before.

So I have had yo re write the list (fortunately thanks to this blog I have enough stuff painted)

Zambro, dont feel bad mate, I iwould not want to win be cheating and it would have been worse if someone else pointed it out at the touney and I couldn't have changed it.

Check through this guys and make sure I've not missed anything....

Kor Sarro on moondrakken
Lvl 2 Libby on bike with sheild eternal
Fire Raptor
Tri Las Pred
Vinicator with dozer blade
2 x 3 Attack bike units with MM
2 x 5 MODEL bike units with 2 meltas
1 x 5 MODEL bike units with flamers and combi flamer

1500 on the button.....

I will be hopefully finishimg the hull point marker tonight so will try and get a pic up.

Seems legitimate to me, you've checked the 2 troops minimum and have no illegal units.

From a gameplay standpoint, I imagine it will be mostly the same as before, except with the MM being more concentrated (maybe allowing you to make better use of the longer range).

Yeah, im down a couple of melta shots per turn but can keep my distance as you say para.

(SORRY!)

The list looks fine to me. Not sure on the points for a Fire Raptor, so I cant add the points up to double check for you.

I looks very similar to your last list, and I think It will work just as well, imo.
You could even go as far as changing one of the MM attack bike units to another melta bike unit for extra troops.

It looks fine as-is

 Zambro wrote:
I'm definately holding out with this rumor. It is a rumor, after all. But usually, as we get closer to the release date, rumors start to become more accurate.

Have you seen that new summon daemons psychic stuff? Sounds like a laugh for a daemon player, but everyone being able to use it..? Not too sure on that

For demons it makes no sense.. Why would a demon sacrifice itself to summon another demon? The reason Mortal psykers do it is because they're sacrificing their soul to summon it, a demon is just a being of energy. Demons are also selfish and would not sacrifice themselves to summon other demons. Also, since when did demons summon other demons anyway? Demons come out of warp portals rent by Mortal psykers, not from themselves.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Zambro wrote:
I'm definately holding out with this rumor. It is a rumor, after all. But usually, as we get closer to the release date, rumors start to become more accurate.

Have you seen that new summon daemons psychic stuff? Sounds like a laugh for a daemon player, but everyone being able to use it..? Not too sure on that

For demons it makes no sense.. Why would a demon sacrifice itself to summon another demon? The reason Mortal psykers do it is because they're sacrificing their soul to summon it, a demon is just a being of energy. Demons are also selfish and would not sacrifice themselves to summon other demons. Also, since when did demons summon other demons anyway? Demons come out of warp portals rent by Mortal psykers, not from themselves.

And the award for using the word demon most in one paragraph goes to ........ Brother of bone

Thanks Z, raptor is 220 so all adds up. With the extra attack bike unit I can keep away from combat with the range and use the melta units for vehicle

 McManiak wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Zambro wrote:
I'm definately holding out with this rumor. It is a rumor, after all. But usually, as we get closer to the release date, rumors start to become more accurate.

Have you seen that new summon daemons psychic stuff? Sounds like a laugh for a daemon player, but everyone being able to use it..? Not too sure on that

For demons it makes no sense.. Why would a demon sacrifice itself to summon another demon? The reason Mortal psykers do it is because they're sacrificing their soul to summon it, a demon is just a being of energy. Demons are also selfish and would not sacrifice themselves to summon other demons. Also, since when did demons summon other demons anyway? Demons come out of warp portals rent by Mortal psykers, not from themselves.

And the award for using the word demon most in one paragraph goes to ........ Brother of bone

Thanks Z, raptor is 220 so all adds up. With the extra attack bike unit I can keep away from combat with the range and use the melta units for vehicle

I'd like to uhh.. Thank Zambo, umm... My family, I love you mum! And most of all, the Big G.

Here's a pic of the finished raptor base then guys. I am adding another missile tonight as I only had 3 and one of the guys at my ckub is kindly donating one.

The Fire Raptor has 4 hull points so I have magnetised the missiles so I can remove one each time I lose a point (hopefully they will all stay all weekend)

I also just realised that im 2 bikes short for my list so am now getting 2 done asap. Fortunately they are already up to white so not much more to do.

Gonna be a late one finishing them after the club tonight as I'm setting off after breakfast tomorrow...

C&C as always please folks

Looks good. You still have some flat space on the base if you want to put another marker on it (for locked velocity, hovering, etc) The missiles tie in very well with the guardsmen.

Neat basing idea, doesn't look out of place and is subtle yet effective. Good luck with the tourney.
You shouldn't need a 4th missile, once 4 HP are gone it's dead (unless the Raptor has 5HP, which would be pretty mental for a flier with that firepower).

 Paradigm wrote:
Neat basing idea, doesn't look out of place and is subtle yet effective. Good luck with the tourney.
You shouldn't need a 4th missile, once 4 HP are gone it's dead (unless the Raptor has 5HP, which would be pretty mental for a flier with that firepower).

I think it's to represent that it has 4 HP instead of having 3 missiles and going 'well it's dead now'

Great idea for the HP counters!

Thanks guys im just home from a double win at my club using new list.

About to spen 15 mins painting and magnetising the missile and then off to bed before setting off tomorrow morning.

Taking my tablet with me so may post an update or two over the weekend.

Oh, and yes the 4 missiles are to represent the 4 HP butin fairness could agree with the 3 except I normally count down so need one left.

Thanks guyys and have a good weekend hobbying or at family parties etc....

Great Blog, man! Fantastic, uniform and well-painted army, too--it's awesome how you have just buckled down and gotten it done. I also love the Fire Raptor--I think it's an awesome model, and although I am too intimidated to get one, it was great to see how much time and effort you put into the assembly, base coating, and then the final product.

So, I'm impressed--awesome stuff, and thanks for sharing the whole journey. It also looks like you will have some cool options for an "Unbound" list here in the next little while...

Cheers bud, genuinely appreciate the comments.

So day 1 done and I played 3 games.

First was against WHITE SCARS....

Vincent sized the initiative and after failing to charge my objective holding vindicator twice (purge the Alien) i went on to take him in turn 7.

Second was against Chris with his dark eldar/eldar. He also siezed against me and with a tantulas, avatar, wraithknight and bucket of poison killed 70% of my army in his first turn. You can imagine that I lost that one.

3rd game was against a 3 riptide tau army with fortress of redemption. I got first turn and caused carnage breaking buildings and devifish everywhere. It took a while to whittle the riptides down but I got there eventually. Absolute blast of a game tho and lots of fun.

So 2-1 up for the day and about to hit the sack so will update tomorrow.

Ouch, second game sounds brutal. Good luck day 2!

Aye, that sounds like it was a bloodbath, but then, poison vs bikes is a hard counter, given they invalidate the bonus toughness you pay for. Out of interest, how similar was the other Scars list to yours.

The third game sounds really interesting, and it's good to see the Astartes can still hold up against Triptide Tau.

Good luck with day 2.

Maybe you should cast Warp Speed on yourself. Your initiative seems a little low...
What are the chances of being seized against, two games in a row?

I'm with Para on the first game; what was his list like? I've never played Scars vs. Scars. Personally, I think it would be a little droll. Were his scars white? Of the (3) Scars armies I've seen in person, only mine are white xD

I imagine having turn 1 stolen from you in game 2 was disastrous. DE are a tough counter to bikes, but with turn 1 you should have been able to get the jump on him and been able to whittle down some stuff before he came at you.

I've never played trip-tide, but kudos to you for dealing with it! Two competent tournament armies make for an awesome game, and it sounds like you handled it well.

Good luck with today's fun and games.
For the Khan and the Emperor!

So day 2 saw 2 wins for me. I played a draigo grey knight list and a fluffy eldar list with no wraiths.....

4 wins and a loss with some good people and a few new friends is great. I came 3rd out of 17 space marine players by 2 points (they tied for 1st) so good weekend all round.

Vincents Scars where white but more muted than mine. He paints the pallid wych flesh and highlights white. They were really nice. He ran a chapter master on bike with grav unit and mm bikes plus a melta and mm unit on bikes. Razorback with command squad and lvl 2 libby on foot. Tac squad with plasma and missile on foot and a storm talon and scouts with cloaks. Lovely army, painted extremely well.

The eldar list today were the same colour as the droids in episodes 1-3 of Starwars so when my Fire raptor came on tbat looks like a clone trooper ship I had to take the photo...